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MEDIA REACTIONS: Chiefs Early Draft Losers on NFLN
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And even though our receiver group are decidedly unglamorous, they helped us average 35 ppg the last six games as everyone started to find their comfort level in a new offense. I wanted a new hotshot, but I can understand why Dorsey/Reid maybe didn't put as much priority on it as fans did... this scrap pile of guys actually produced decently. |
LAWL SOME PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS ON A FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD THAT'S FUNNY Y DONT' THEY BECOME GMS AND HEAD COACHES LAWL OH CHIEFS PLANET.
Worst part about the draft is listening to the dumb****s bash this place. The "board experts" are the reason this forum stays in place and has entertainment value. If it were up to ****faces like Deberg, all anybody would ever say is, "I like da Chiefs. Mmhmm. We'll see how good they can be this year. Maybe they'll make the playoffs." |
Aw man, that's a mean swipe at DeBerg, he's a nice guy.
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If he would get out there and actually write some football opinions in his posts and try to sell them to people, I wouldn't have a problem. But he never does. He's a more level-headed version of frazod. |
If draft grades lead to Championships, Cleveland would have been a dynasty by now.
"Experts"? Give me a ****ing break. LMAO |
This is so ****ing stupid.
Grade a draft by whether you got good players, not by whether you fill in immediate needs. So if this team drafted three starting offensive linemen this would be a great draft? |
if the media is bored then why not go ahead and grade 2011 draft, there is no way no how you can grade a draft immediately after its over
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That only applies to the teams that consistently field contenders. Mediocre teams, and teams that are worse than mediocre, are teams that need to be looking for players to fill needs. I don't hate this draft and won't complain about the direction, because it does have the potential to pay dividends in the next few years. However, a mediocre team that has holes almost certainly can find players that fill the holes in their roster that have an equal value to players that don't fill immediate needs. |
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Our biggest need was ignored altogether, and we didn't draft a DE in this scheme. |
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I think the premise is wrong. We've had a "draft for need" mindset for so long, it's what we are used to. This regime, for better or worse, is drafting for quality, and btw, actually touched on some areas of need. What I personally like about it is that strategy gives us more flexibility in both the draft and FA in future years. It also forces other teams to have to worry about us a lot more in the draft, as it's more difficult to bullseye in on who/what we are going to draft. It may fail, and in this early part of the process it leaves some scary holes, but I'm personally a fan of it. |
Talking Can wins the thread. Mjac still a whiny bitch.
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They clearly think that need will be filled with Abdullah/Commings. |
Seattle got an F on their 2012 draft.
http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/06/mel...-gave-it-an-f/ Kiper gave them an D- Bleacher Report an F Prisco gave a D SI a C |
I thought Abdullah played well for being out of the league that long. Cummings who knows we can't count on anything. Abdullah has a track record of being a pretty good player.
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I am just not as confident as they appear to be, but they do at least have the benefit of working with these guys, which is the reason I am not complaining about the draft. |
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At least Lewis and Robinson are gone. It has to get better. |
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And I would argue that outside of FS, CB was the biggest need on the team. You only have to watch all the 3-step drops the last half of the season to see it. |
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We have nothing next to DJ, still question marks at FS, our WR set is embarrassing, and we have practice squad players at G. Yet we have Flowers, Smith, and Cooper as our top 3 CBs. |
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My point is that Pioli ruined us with his drafting (except for J. Houston), not with the cap space. |
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Our CBs got repeatedly toasted in the short passing game over and over and over during the same span. Our CBs are easily the most overrated unit on the team. |
Funny how people say draft grades don't matter, yet if all of these media outlets were giving us A's and claiming we were draft winners, y'all would be crowing about it.
There's nothing wrong with grading the draft this early - hell, we're all doing it too. Process team needs, the player taken, where he was taken and generate an opinion. It appears that most of you guys would give us an A to A-. Pretty much everything I've seen gives the Chiefs anywhere from a B to a C-. A lot of that variance is based on the fact we didn't fill many needs, and that many of the players we picked have had serious medical question marks. You can't blame people for being concerned. There's certainly some talent in this KC draft class, but there's a helluva lot of question marks as well. Hope they stay healthy so we can see some of that talent. |
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Jamaal Charles scored more TDs than Bowe, Avery, and McCluster combined over the last 6 games... by a ****ing huge margin. |
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IIRC, we didn't have a single 100-yard game out of a WR those last 6 games, might have had a 90 yard effort, but for the most part I don't recall one of our WR's coming up with more than 60 yards in a given game. |
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But that's not what people are grading on. The big critique is that we didn't draft for need. And that is a ludicrous argument. Drafting for BPA is a smart strategy, not one people should criticize. Now if people want to argue we didn't always take the BPA... that's fair. But that's not what people are saying. The critics would have been perfectly happy with a wide receiver or safety, even if that player had an average ceiling or wasn't BPA. |
Whatever. I remember when the Chiefs drafted Dorsey and Albert and were declared the Draft Super Bowl Winners by everyone on the planet. Both players are now gone and it could be argued that neither lived up to expectations, edpecially Dorsey. Too early to tell anything.
The summery was right about KC being FA losers though... |
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When these guys were able to line up and play press man coverage, they were pretty damn good. When they began to back off and give a cushion, they were abused. Cooper is young and still learning, so he gets a pass, but Sean Smith is a liability as long as we don't have an answer at FS. We better damn well have the answer in Abdullah or Commings, otherwise this secondary is still going to be abused. |
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The problem is that drafting a WR, even a potential stud like Cooks, wouldn't have solved that problem. Here's the bottom line for me. The Chiefs failed in free agency, not the draft. What they needed was somebody that could come in right away, start immediately, and catch 50-60 passes. That guy was Emmanuel Sanders and he is in Denver. |
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We have to get more physical at the line and we need more speed. Gaines definitely addresses the latter. I totally agree with you about the need at FS. I just didn't see a clear-cut answer in the draft the way you did. My answer would have been to bring in Clemons - he's more of a pure, speedy FS than any of the guys that were available in the draft. So once again, I see free agency as the big failure here. |
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Last offseason, in my opinion, was an overrated failure. |
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Need to press the receivers against a Manning offense, but in a zone package. The problem, however, is that Sean Smith sucks in zone, and Cooper has to learn, and there was no way to incorporate him in the defense and try to teach him both man and zone. Playing man exclusively against that offense is a recipe for failure. |
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I'm just not interested in worrying about it anymore. I don't care enough to continue to complain about it. If I HAD to choose, I would have preferred they were active in free agency THIS year. Even if they had skipped free agency last year and not signed Smith or Robinson or any of those guys, they still would have traded for Alex Smith. I think the Smith deal was done the minute Reid inked his contract. I don't think they ever considered any other approach. Therefore, I would have preferred that they treated the whole process with the idea that they need to win now, THIS YEAR, and approached free agency this year accordingly. EDIT: That being said, they didn't approach free agency that way. They decided to basically pass. With that in mind, this draft, to me, makes perfect sense. They got guys that have some value now but potentially big value later. I think they're looking at this team as competitive now but not contending until later. |
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But I am concerned about his tackling. Hopefully he can be coached up to be a solid tackler, because you can not consistently defend the short passes. You have to eliminate YAC. Pass rush is ineffective, regardless of how many rushers you have on the field, if your secondary can not tackle, and QBs can consistently get rid of the ball in fewer than 3 seconds. |
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Points are points...and they put up 44 without that best player.
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Let's trade JC - we apparently don't need him. We scored 44 points without him once.
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The Chiefs needed pash rush and a corner, arguably more than they needed a WR.
See the end of year collapse and playoff loss last year if you have any questions about that. |
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Yeah let's blow things out of proportion. People acted like we wouldn't score a point if he went down or draft the 20th rated slapdick receiver.
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It's going to be interesting to see all these folks that claim WR wasn't a need turn a 180* during the season and make excuses that Alex Smith has no weapons.
We're likely not playing a .390 schedule and a bunch of bottom third defenses this year. |
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I'm suggesting that, with the way this offense is structured and the guy we have playing QB, it probably really isn't going to matter. I don't think one rookie WR was ever going to be the difference between a winning season and a losing one. And I'm sure you know that you won't EVER see me making excuses for Alex Smith. Even though I've done an about face on him, you still see me fighting against the excuses not for them. |
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It was posted to show how ridiculous some of you look when you claim that we didn't need WR help. One game against a below average defense and getting numerous short fields (thanks, defense - even though everyone blames you exclusively) isn't a predictor of future success. Take off the Chiefs-colored glasses for a split second and tell me if you think this offense is going to be successful this season, and in the future when we're consistently getting <60 yards a game from our WR's. The offense is JC or bust. |
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I have accepted the fact that this a team that is rebuilding.
They went about in a really backassward kind of way, though. First thing they did was go out and pay a high price for a sturdy, reliable door to replace the broken one that invited intruders in. Then they went about tearing up the foundation while hoping the walls don't collapse around that door and break it. |
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Hali and Houston, while good players are not as great as they're made out to be on this board. They're decent pass rushers, but really they're not that fast and they need lock down coverage to be able to get to the QB. The Ford pick was an attempt to get a speed rusher that can get to the QB very quickly in order to try and help the cover guys on the back end.
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I don't think this team is rebuilding. They've just been building the longest outhouse in recorded history. |
Yea but you guys act like you never watched Andy Reid in his 10 years in Philly. Dude has never made WR a need really, and made chicken salad at out of chicken shit for 10 years until he hit on Jackson/Maclin. I think the Jackson/Maclin WR he wanted was gone at 23 so he said **** it.
The bigger question is why they didn't address the safety position which could actually be the sole reason we lose the games we do in 2014. |
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And IIRC, Maclin (if not both he and Jackson) was taken after Reid lost some of his personnel control. WR problems were a YEARLY concern for almost Reid's entire tenure in Philly. |
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Instead, he continues to believe that the offense revolves around the RB in a downfield passing league. |
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Not to change the subject but the more I think about Dee Ford, the more I think they're going to have a hard time keeping him OFF the field.
IF he's healthy (and yes, that's a concern), he could be extremely disruptive. He's a better pure pass rusher, athletically, than Hali ever was in college. |
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He is what he is from sheer desire, effort and hard work. Dee Ford can really learn a lot from him. |
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Are we giving up on the kid from Alabama, already? |
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I wanted/expected a receiver as much as anyone but the reality is it wouldn't have turned this offense or the guy behind center into anything other than what they are, and it may not have given us any more from the receiver position than what we'll get with who we already have. At least not after Cooks was gone. |
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I know nothing of the kid we got in the third other than what I've read on here. Great size and numbers, but man was I pulling for us to grab Donte Moncrief there. Perfect over the top guy to open up the intermediate routes.
Oh well. Maybe Hemmingway and Jenkins can take about four or five strides forward this year. |
I sure hope Demetrios Harris becomes the next big thing.
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If even a fraction of that rubs off on Ford, and Ford can stay healthy, Ford could be a special OLB. |
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He's got great measurables and elite potential but he's just raw. He also has concentration issues and doesn't follow the ball all the time - let's passes get in on his body too much. Considering how much people here bitch about our current crop of WRs, Moncrief would have driven some people batty. |
The only thing I have a problem with is not getting a tight end. That was a much bigger need than WR.
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