Yeah, I don't see "it". I see a guy that feasted on lesser competition (for the most part, he improved quite a bit his senior year) and wilted when the shit hit the fan.

Sure he made some great throws at times but the times where he just took a team on his back and willed them to a victory were rare.

ROFL

I guess if we are writing the season off I'd go with Bray. Heaven help us if Alex gets hurt.

You do realize Aaron Murray is 6' right?

It's a legitimate concern that he didn't play as well against top competition, but if you want to make argument from silence, his chance to make his case for the draft would have been the part of his senior season he didn't get to play. And late round QBs are going to have some dings.

From the purely subjective world of intangibles I was impressed with him every time I saw him play. Definitely some bias at work, since I saw more of him than any of the other QBs in the draft apart from Manziel, so it's likely I would overrate Murray versus the field just out of familiarity.

But, if you have two late rounders and one has a big arm but lacks intangibles (Well, is Tyler Bray) and another who lacks ideal physical specifications but seems to have everything else, the second one seems like the better risk to me.

No way is Chase 6'... btw...

going off of cbs sports website...

I want to see a pic of Daniel & Murray standing side by side.

Oh, I absolutely agree with you on pretty much all of this.

This, lol.

NFL.com and NFL Draft Scout both list him as 6-1 EXACTLY.

Murray himself says he's only 6'1/2"

Watch his Gurden camp clip.

Daniel and Murray are the same player.

Cut the older and more expensive one.

Did he doink Easley in the balls? If so, that's hilarious

This is mind boggling. I wanted to trade Daniel after the Eggo game and took a pile of shit for it. Even after explaining the 3M pricetag, virtually nobody wanted to trade him. Now 56 people want to cut him?

Yeah...I don't think we could trade him for much, if anything now. I think we cut him and save $3M.

You sure about that? They acquired a lineman who can get to the QB, drafted a pass rusher, and have 6 quality defensive backs. Looks like they are trying to matchup against Denvers defense.

The only place I found him listed as 6-05 was NFL Draft Countdown but I didn't look very long.

Interestingly enough, if you read his Pro Day report at NFL Draft Scout, it clearly says he measured in "a hair under 6-1" but they list him at 6-1 anyway, which bugs me. How hard is it to type 05 instead of 1?

I agree with this.

Nobody was gonna trade for him. Ever.

It's a little silly for us to argue over 1/2" or Daniel vs Bray vs Murray...

I mean, the overwhelming likelihood is that none of the three will ever win a (or another) NFL game as a starter.

Hopefully all three do, but we're probably arguing about the next Matt Blundin here.

Truth.

He looks like some schlub at a Chiefs fantasy camp.

LOL!

"Todd" from Petco. "Hey Mah! I got my picture with the quarterbacks!"

Maybe, but I caught shit for wanting to try. Hell, if Smith wasn't around and Daniel playdd somewhere else, I think bet he'd be on the Chiefs radar.

Hell, the Queens re-signed Cassel. If you were GMing for the Queens and your options are re-sign big fetal or trade a 6th for Daniel, what would you do?

I said it before, run his ass out to the curb with a sign that says "5th rounder OBO" like you would a couch.

Regardless, the tune of this place has changed significantly since the Eggo game when I wanted to trade him.

I'd say Bray is probably gone. Daniel showed some ability and heart in the San Diego game last year. Cut ties witth Bray.

Bray has terrible feet.

Rex Ryan is on CP.

Same as how Alex Smith was an officially anointed Franchise Quarterback™ for 2 weeks after the playoff game against the Colts, but now he's shitty again and we can't wait to replace him with a rookie fifth rounder.

Rather have the guy with less experience, but greater potential than the guy with not much experience and not much potential.

Don't have to make a decision right now. We didn't see much of Bray last pre-season. I would want to see more of him first before I made my choice.

If we cut Chase and there was a player(s) we were going to sign to make an immediate impact that might make a difference in the decision.

Actually, I think you could make a case for having the worst possible player as your backup QB. If your starting QB goes down for any length of time, your season is probably toast, anyway. Might as well improve your draft position and either a)provide your starter with better weapons when he returns or b)replace your starter in the draft.

That upside you refer to is another way of saying potential.

At least the other guy does have 1 game under his belt and lots of experience behind Drew Bree's and that system.

Just playing Devils advocate. I see both sides.

Cut Daniel. Bray has a nice arm. Maybe it clicks one day.

And we would love to keep 10 OL every year. And I wanted us to draft 3 friggin WR's like the Packers did. You just gotta make tough decisions in the NFL. If it were as easy as just Keep all 4 QB's everyone could do it. Not in today's NFL.

Horrible idea. That's just asking to get fired in this win-now league.

No Casey Printers option?

Both could turn chicken salad into chicken shit.

@ChiefsInsider: So how will new #Chiefs QB Aaron Murray fit into the carousel with Tyler Bray and Alex Smith? http://t.co/1RRLCkrRsr



@ArrowheadAddict: Daniel 2015 Cap Hit: $4.8 million
Bray 2015 Cap Hit: $589k

Something to keep in mind.



@adamteicher: #Chiefs didn't draft Murray to cut him. So Bray or Daniel is in trouble


@Jacobs71: Tyler Bray has a ton of upside so I don't see him leaving.



@LRiddickESPN: I can definitely think of "worse" trades. #Chiefs did just fine getting Smith, really like Bray, and now have Murray.




@DraftCountdown: Notable Names Atop My Best UDFA List From Last YR: Tyler Bray, Da'Rick Rogers, Kevin Reddick, Nickell Robey, Alvin Bailey & Tony Jefferson.


@HerbieTeope: New Chiefs G Zach Fulton said he hasn't spoken to former teammate Tyler Bray yet. Said he's excited to work with Bray again.



@TerezPaylor: Tyler Bray has upside. But he was UDFA. They aren’t married to him. #Chiefs could save $1.4 million by cutting Daniel, though.

Knowing the Chiefs they'll pick Daniel instead of developing one guy who's basically already Daniel and could be Alex with very little effort and another guy who could be something special. Gotta be safe about these things.

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 3m
“@ConnorDawson9: it's early, but who do you think is the odd man out in the QB corps?” Either Daniel or Murray goes IR for rookie season.

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 54s
“@frenchy8985: brays kc future over or chase released?” Bray has upside but training camp will decide it.

Between him and Laurent, we'll have the best team in Canada!

Dorsey has stated that he likes players with some size.

I have a hard time seeing him carrying two 6'-0" QBs on the roster.

I chose Peyton Manning.

Bray would get a mysterious shoulder injury in the pre season and I'd IR him.

Unfortunately for your lover boy Bray, cutting one of the 6' QB's likely doesn't get him any closer to taking a snap under center in anything of relevance.

We cut Daniels and Bray yet?

"and" ?

:spock:

Look who you're quoting....

ROFL

Poll is closed.

trust Reid on this one but i hope he would give the tie to Bray and not keep Daniel around just because of experience

I agree with this although I don't think there's any way there will be a tie between Bray and Daniel on current ability. IMO, it's a choice between Daniel's immediate value as a competent backup and Bray's longer term value based on his higher ceiling. I'd be real nervous if they decide to cut Daniel before this season.

Daniel has so far proven nothing in the league. We know he's not Tyler Palko and that's about it.

For all we know, he could be a terrible backup should he have to start a few games.

It's not like he's Kyle Orton or anything like that.

Did you read who the alternative is?

I think Reid really enjoys developing QB talent. Bray has the arm talent that a good coach can develop if the player is willing to work at it. Pre-season should show if Bray has and will work for Reid.

Cut Bray...Daniel played really well in that San Diego game and he did his part to win it....Succup missed a 41 yard FG that would've won the game. Daniel had 21 completions with 30 attempts for 200 yards 6.7 average with 1 TD and no INT.

Two unproven QBs who cost nothing.

Versus an unproven who has only started one game in his career. Oh, and he's going to come with a $4 million price tag next year.

Unproven or unprovens?

I'll take unprovens.

We are screwed of Smith gets hurt anyway. You know Daniel will never be a starter in the league. You don't know about Bray or Murray. Cut Daniel.

Bray has a cannon. I don't see how you could give up on him at all. If he picks up the mental part he could be great. If he doesn't you're out nothing.

It's going to come down to them feeling comfortable with the guy they have to roll out there if Smith is hurt.

They'd have to feel comfortable with Bray being able to step in for a game or two in the middle of a playoff hunt and win some games to cut Daniel at this point.

They're clearly comfortable with Daniel in that role, and he performed well in it in the one opportunity he got last year. He performed nearly as well against San Diego as Alex Smith did, on the road and with backups around him.

I'd take it as a very good sign for Bray's development if they're comfortable enough with him to cut Daniel, and wouldn't be upset (might even get the smallest bit excited about Bray for the first time).

I have a hard time believing that's what will happen, though. If Bray is cut, it means he's basically still the same guy who went undrafted (to me). He's got the size and arm, but the mental side of the game (decision making, working on the playbook, etc) had a long way to come (as did his off-field behavior). If they cut him, to me that says he hasn't progressed much if at all in those areas.

I think it's more about ascertaining whether they can turn Bray into a player who has trade value down the road. If they believe they can, then they have to keep him, regardless of whether he'll be ready to step into a playoff game in 8 months

Yes "and"

I'm fine with that and on-board with that.

But if they're trying to "win" this year, will Andy Reid and co. be fine with that?

Part of me suspects they wouldn't have drafted Murray if they were pleased with the progress Bray was making.

Perfect, IMO.

Tyler Bray
22 Years Old
6'-6"
215 lbs.
$498,333

Chase Daniel
27 Years Old
6'-0"
225 lbs.
$3,400,000


*Niether will win you the Super Bowl this year if Alex goes down.

5 years younger.
6" taller
$3,000,000 cheaper
Higher ceiling.


Well if you put it like that, it's a no-brainer.

Trade Daniel, please.

No one is going to trade for him.

Especially with that stupid contract.

Yep. That's my one real beef with Dorsey thus far. That was a ludicrous contract.

I'm rooting for Bray, and it's fun to back guys wearing Chiefs red, but replace Bray's name in your post with Jamarcus Russel, and see how it sounds.
There's a reason he was undrafted, and "picking up the mental part" isn't all that simple.

I definitely think either Bray or Murray magically get hurt in last preseason game and get put on IR for the season

THAT is frickin reeruned!

You think booger has more to show? Or you think booger has a higher ceiling than the Bray?

Booger?

My god you are scaring the women, fatty!

@mdobratz: Alex Smith from the Chiefs is drinking my beer right now http://t.co/PolUggpYvi

Booger is getting married too!

@ChaseDaniel: 6 weeks to the day I'm lucky enough to marry the woman of my dreams @hillarymullin. I couldn't be more excited 4 what God has in store 4 us!

Bray's catch a much better!

ROFL

Dear God please let Bray light it up again this preseason, so that we can move past this horrendous miget-itus this team is obsessed with.

I thought Alex was a Mormon.....