This.

And sell moonshine in the stands

There's a huge difference between using a Native American name and using a racist Native American term...

Especially if the Broncos keep killing us. (Of course it would just be animal versus animal in the scheme of things, and chalked up as survival of the fittest.)

How do you call someone a name they don't want to be called out of respect? Strictly referring to "redskins".

For those who said the slippery slope would not affect the Chiefs.

I think you lost that argument.

My problem with this is

We have a lot bigger issues to worry about.

Civil war in Iraq, threats of terrorism, North Korea, kidnappings in Africa, drought, oil, etc. And these people are mad about a mascot that was named after a person.

Jesus **** off Indians. what do we need to kill the rest of you all off already

Chief isn't like Redskin in the sense that is specifically uses their 'race' for the mascot. And to some people Redskin could be pejorative, whereas Chief is not.

The Chiefs franchise does identify with various imagery of Indian things, like the arrowhead symbol itself, so you can't really say they are named after H. Roe Bartle, really... but there's no reason to attack this name. It's not demeaning. Will the standard be that you can't have any name that refers to any group of people?

Do all teams have to be animal named now? Isn't the roaring Chicago Bear offensive to bears, because it portrays them as savages?

I'm ok with the basement, but if I have to repaint the van I'm going to be PISSED.

That is so stupid and basic.

Because there are problems in Iraq everyone is an asshole for being concerned about other issues that are important to them for one reason or another.

Just think there are more important things than a name.

or does any of it matter after we have left this world

You'd have an argument about that, if Congress was spending a week debating this in session and holding up other business.

It seems to be a couple of wacko activists who go around getting offended by things and trying to rid the world of things that are "offensive". It's not like all of Washington came to a halt over this.

If you read the historical post earlier, it would seem the arrowhead symbols are actually a reference to Bartle's involvement with Boy Scouts - the arrowhead is used throughout Scouting as leadership award.

I'd like to see them try and take away my Chiefs imagery.

You're right man. Nothing at all matters. Where do I subscribe to your newsletter?

Nex thing you know these nutjobs will be pissed off at the name commander in chief or complain about Eric Church's ablum Chief or any thing they can come up with.

I am one eighth Cherokee Indian and I do not find any of this offensive. Of course not much offends me so I don't relate to these people.

We best ban use of that then...someone will be offended.

I'm only subscribing if he'll give me secret "source" information from the Senate.

But there is nothing racist about white people dressing up as Indians, or a football team players posing in ceremonial dress, the tomahawk chop or some dufus dressing up as an indian in the stands with arrows in him...

Yeah, I agree, I don't see anything racist about that either...

White power!!!!

1/128 here and have a long blood line of Cherokee in my family on both sides...

We don't find the Redskins offensive, nor do we find the Chiefs and its Indian tradition offensive either...

But if the Redskins change, you can damn well bet the Chiefs, Indians, Braves, etc will all be next...

Am I reading that right? One one-hundred and twenty-eighth? LMAO

Except.. there is no malicious intent behind it. All these teams are honoring the traditions and people behind the imagery they use.

Not to mention, racism, pseudo racism, implied racism is not illegal.

They can bitch all they want. The problem occurs when the government gets involved.

This whole movement is similar to the sharia law movement in the Europe. Next thing you know muslims will start suing newspapers for printing images of mohammed. Where does it end?

Redskins I get. But Chiefs is a title/rank. Are they going to make it illegal to make chief executive officer a job title?

Chiefs weren't named after Indians, they were named after the former mayor who was heavy into the scouts I believe. It was his nickname.

The fact that they then took that name and for years portrayed it as an Indian thing, to me, is a secondary issue if you ask me. Maybe an apology is in order? Whatever.

****, it's not even an Indian word.

Is there a way to get behind the skins wagon now and help em out?

Nick cannon dresses up as "a white" and makes fun of my people. When he quits I'll quit.

Why don't they oppose cities, rivers, lakes or streets using Native American names?

The name "chiefs" is completely neutral, it need not even be specific to Indians. It's not a slur like Redskins. And you'd have a hard time trying to make the case that the team's logo or use of the word arrowhead is offensive.

I think when that time comes, it might just shed some light on how overly PC this nation has become and expose the lunacy for what it is.

No way... that's a good (ghey) name

Time to boycott Halo. Down with Master Chief!

That's your opinion but what if its not the opinion of an Indian tribe?

Now what?

We can try and split hairs and twist it to make sense because its the franchise we root for. But someone could find the name and so called traditions of this franchise offensive.

Yes that is correct. Now please keep paying your taxes, so I can continue to get my free dental and health care for life.

And you want to know a kicker... My kids whom are 1/256 get the same benefits as I do and as my grandpa and grandma got whom where both 1/32...

Stop offending me....

Benefits come by choice. I'm 1/16th and get/want none.

Actually. Maybe there needs to be a movement. End all counties, rivers cities named after tribes and Indian names. They are people not things.

Personally I would love a fighting whities hat.

I am around a quarter and had/wanted no benefits as I do not know language or history, nor look indian.

Well, since Freedom from Offense is an Amendment to the Const... wait a sec... I''ll be darned, it's not in there! Maybe after the next election, they can fix that.

No it isn't.

Racism usually contains some form of negative connotation about said race. Do the above examples show negativity?

Then they can go **** themselves. I find religion deeply offensive to common sense, but you don't see me asking the government to act on my behalf. Guess what, religious folks would tell me to go **** myself! And I'm fine with that, because I can understand that in America, just because something is offensive (in this case, I am in a much LARGER minority of atheists, as compared to a tiny tiny tiny minority of Indians) does not mean there is any legal basis to GET RID OF IT.

This is how we get started on becoming 40 year old virgins, sitting around in our pajamas, drinking banana milkshakes, singing im an Oscar Meyer weiner.

I just don't get it.

Since when does something being offensive mean it has to go away? Oh, when a big fat lobby with casino money behind it gets a bug up its ass. I forget. Merica and all.

EXACTLY!

At the last protest at Arrowhead I asked one of those idiots where he lives. He answered, "Lee's Summit" so I told him that was land stolen from the Indians and to get the f*** off it.

Your choice to be offended. /chiefs pr

I don't know what I find more amusing these ladies or the fact the Native Americans did not call their leaders Chiefs. It's a ****ing french word that means leader. On top of that it's been in use since the 1500s..long before Europeans colonized north american.

So that savages don't own it and have no right to be offended by it and I am no longer listening to these...fanatics.

I do too...depending on what the change was. I'm all in for the KC Knights if it happens.

Along with that-I also had someone tell me that she did not like the use of the Arrowhead symbol. That is was a Native American symbol.
Arrows have been around a lot longer than that.

Either way-It just sounds like there is a fight on the hands of ownership.

LMAO @ 1/128

Clearly, we should look to you as an authority on Native American affairs.

If a name change causes the KC Chiefs er the KC Whatevers to win ten Superbowls in a row, I'd be all over it. If not then LEAVE IT ALONE.

Yep, so suck it.

Edit, if you come to CP to find an authority on anything you have some deep physiological issues that can only be cured by seeing Dr Phil.

Sorry 1/128 is not Native American. Your great-great grandparents were Native Americans. You are just white.

It's hilarious that you hold out that you're not offended by the name Redskins as representative of anything.

I'm glad all the revolutionary war soldiers are dead or my guys would be in trouble too...

Nothing will come of it because there will basically be no public support. Almost no one will agree that Chiefs is offensive or a slur. I bet this has more to do with her wanting to keep attention on herself after the Redskins change their name. She likes being a hero for a cause.

Yeah they should change their name to some pussy English soccer club name and hire a guy to do play by play who fakes a Brittish accent and then name the stadium after a guy who cheated.

Bingo.

It probably deserves it's own thread but since it's a similar topic, I'll put it in here:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-...st-the-indians

A Native American group is planning to file a $9 billion federal lawsuit against the Cleveland Indians and their "offensive" Chief Wahoo logo, according to CBS Cleveland. The suit is expected to be filed next month.
Here's more from CBS Cleveland:

Robert Roche, a Chiricahua Apache and director of the American Indian Education Center, is planning to file a federal lawsuit in late July against the Cleveland Indians organization. Roche, who is also the leader of the group People Not Mascots, says the lawsuit will challenge that the team's name and Chief Wahoo logo are racist.
“We're going to be asking for $9 billion and we're basing it on a hundred years of disparity, racism, exploitation and profiteering,” Roche told WEWS-TV. “It's been offensive since day one. We are not mascots. My children are not mascots. We are people.”

Local supporters of the Chief Wahoo logo say it is only a small minority of people who are offended by the logo.

“If just a small amount of people are against it, than I think you're doing a disservice to people that like it,” Bob Rosen, president of the Wahoo Club, tells WEWS. He added that thousands of Indians fans embrace Chief Wahoo as a loyal and friendly symbol.
“I'm not insensitive to the issue, but our 1,650 members of the Wahoo Club, anytime we have a Wahoo Club item they but it up they love it,” Rosen said. “Can you imagine the baseball team in this city not being called the Cleveland Indians? I can't picture that.”

The Indians have been gradually phasing out the Chief Wahoo logo over the last few years, replacing it with the red block letter "C" logo.
The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office stripped the NFL's Washington Redskins of its trademark last week and called the team name a "racial slur." The Redskins are appealing the landmark ruling. People Not Mascots is looking for similar action against the Indians

And who should you see for stupid?

It's nothing but regulation of free speech/First Amendment. I think team owners should sue on those grounds.

Who would they be suing exactly?

The college I graduated from was the Knights. I wouldn't mind that.

Warriors. Wolves.

Completely implausible but: Killer Whales/Orca, Samurai LMAO

YOU GO GIRL!

I'm vehemently opposed to giving in to terrorists. That's exactly what this lady is.

African Americans

How far back does the African go?

Need to go back a couple more "greats" for 1/128th.

I'm at least 1/32 (my mom's adopted so I don't know that side of the family's history) and it didn't even show up when I did the genetic testing through 23andMe (showed 99% European).

It goes back to last week.

I don't want to be sensitive to native American people. I could care 2 shits about the whole culture. Doesn't make me an asshole, just means that the only thing I relate to Indians in this day and age are fireworks that are illegal to use in my neighborhood and fancy casinos with trashy trailer parks around them. That isn't a stereotype that is the truth. Now the question is do I relate the Chiefs to my perception of today's American Indian? No I have a higher opinion because they're a frickin football team.

My genetic testing showed 1% African heritage, so **** off Whitey.

Chiefs does strike me as pretty racist. A change would be good. Maybe they'd actually win something for once.

Proactive steps the Chiefs could take (and maybe should take) to head off the lawsuit:

1) Stop playing the tomahawk chop song, stop selling tomahawks in the stadium, and play over it any time the fans start a tomahawk chop on their own.

2) Issue a new policy making it against stadium policy to wear mock Native American garb in the stadium or on the grounds/parking lot. And then enforce it (force people to change out of that garb before entering the stadium).

3) Name something in the stadium after the "Chief" mayor the team is supposedly named after, and make that a part of the pre-game in some way. Play that factor up.

For names like the Chiefs (Or the Braves, or the Indians) that are really difficult to sell as a racial slur, I doubt this picks up the same steam, but why not address some of the complaints proactively?

It's certainly a better look than the one Daniel Snyder is currently sporting.

This.

Didn't the Chiefs stop playing the Tomahawk chop song for awhile before?

Why do all that? Why not just say no to stupidity?

How about the Arrows. Then nothing changes but the name. Logos are still good and you can do anything the hell you want to at gametime.

That probably added an inch or two to your vertical jump.




I was gonna go another way with that, but I thought it would be racist.

Nah. No need to even pacify them that much. There's no way this is going anywhere regarding the Chiefs. Redskins, maybe. But the Chiefs should give them a big **** YOU, and simply do what they do. They're not going to stop the fans from tomahawking or dressing up anyway. The more they would try, the more fans would revolt and resist. The last thing they want is another Arrowhead Blackout....

Racist x 2. Reported.

Not really. The 99% European is really heavy.

Chief Wahoo?

This one. They really should stop that. It's stupid.

If fans want to do something on their own, I'd let it be. But the team doesn't need to lead that dumb chant.

If anyone is offended by the use of Chiefs then they'll be offended by any reference to Native American culture by the "white man".

Its hilarious that you are so concerned about my 1/128....

We'll call it a Redout. :eek: