Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231454)

That he didn't have to do it but did, is pretty noble to me.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231446)

I call BS on this one. I go up there cause my daughter attends FSU and I have yet to hear of this. It sounds like innuendo and gossip. Jameis is loved by his teamates. He's very enthusiastic.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11231460)

*EDIT*

No, you're right.

He might be a running QB but he doesn't have to be a running man...

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231513)

Bullshit, you have this idyllic version of him in your head.

Dude is Lawrence Phillips, except at QB. He's Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell Pt. 2

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11231524)

You are angry and insane.

His talent is off the charts.

Yes, he's immature just like Leaf but he's not a full-on-monon.

Sit him.

Teach him.

Make him earn it...

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231513)

Bullshit, you have this idyllic version of him in your head.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231513)

Bullshit, you have this idyllic version of him in your head.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231532)

Nope. Apparently you haven't read all my posts about him. I was critical of him at first. But you said things that went beyond anything ever heard. It's called innuendo and gossip. No facts. Not only have I met and talked with business owners up there, I have sat in at the Chamber of Commerce and talked football and Jameis with them. You haven't a clue what they think.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231539)

I don't know what you're talking about; the only thing I said about him is that I would pass.

So...you're saying you sat around and talked FSU football with a bunch of Tallahassee Homers and Boosters, and they had nothing but great things to say about Winston??

Shocker, there lol

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231530)

Meh; at his age, you shouldn't have to coddle and babysit; he should WANT to be great.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231545)

I initially responded to a poster who said Winston was guilty of multiple incidents of theft per business owners in Tally. You quoted my response to that, and I am addressing those claims of Winston. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11231554)

At 22 I beat a man outside a bar and wondered for weeks if I'd be arrested.

At 23 I managed a video store (look it up), fired all but 3 people there, then had the best year (don't tell my wife) of my life.

I wouldn't even consider myself close to a clear thinking and intelligent adult until 10 years later...

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231393)

NO.

Pass on Rapeis Winston.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231556)

I believe that rapist is also a thief a helluva lot more than I think he din do nuffins.

That's just common sense.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231564)

Sure. I'm not far enough removed from my early twenties to post about some of the stupid shit I've done (statute of limitations) but I also wasn't in his position.

If he wanted it, he wouldn't have raped that chick. He's a very high risk, he's the second coming of Vick, he WILL be arrested as an NFL player, mark my words.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231556)

I believe that rapist is also a thief a helluva lot more than I think he din do nuffins.

That's just common sense.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231571)

He was cleared on the rape charge. Or haven't you heard? Have you actually read the record on that hearing?

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231580)

Yeah. And OJ was acquitted of murder, so that means he's an angelo:-)
.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231581)

How cliche. There's no comparison if you read the record of fact—which you haven't done. It's more like the Duke LaCross false rape accusation—if you read the facts. It happens and it's happening more than you think that that charge is levied on guys by women.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231582)

I could care less. The fact that he was accused is enough to scare me off. Where there's smoke...

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11231589)

Not many around the league are going to be fooled about his maturity and his "makeup". After Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson, it's even more of a concern than ever. Some teams will take a guy completely off their draft board if they think he is a bad character/makeup guy.

Winston has all the hallmarks of being a bad makeup player. Shoplifting, missing meetings, stupid behavior that isn't serious but shows he doesn't think before speaking or acting, taking liberties with women... he thinks rules don't apply to him. He's been coddled at FSU and behavior that would have gotten players suspended or booted from other teams has been excused. He has never been held to account for his actions and has always got the star treatment. People like this get to the NFL level and fail because they have never had to work for it before.

These are some of the same things people said about Geno Smith, or Manziel, that they had an entitled attitude and felt like they'd already "arrived". They figured they would just show up and ball. Now they are finding out that a lot of better people than they are have failed before them, and they aren't going to succeed by coasting through life as they have up until now.

Teams don't care that he wasn't charged with the rape, or that FSU investigated itself and the same people who made the decision found that they agreed with the decision. They care about his immature and risk-taking behavior and what else they might uncover about him off the field. They are going to talk to everyone around him, not just the people he puts forward who are going to say he's great and wouldn't say if he was a turd anyway. He has a longstanding pattern of immature and irresponsible behavior so there is probably plenty to uncover.

Someone will fall in love with his athleticism and make the same mistake teams always make on guys like this, they think they can step in and raise him. But a lot of teams won't even consider someone like this, especially at the QB position which already has the highest failure rate and is the most difficult to transition to.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231595)

Another cliche. Facts still do not support the poster who just accused him of multiple thefts on businesses in Tally. That's sociopathic to make up stories and claims too. Please stay on topic regarding what I posted.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11230905)

Yes. Welcome to the VIP.

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11231589)

Winston has all the hallmarks of being a bad makeup player. Shoplifting,

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231607)

I didn't make ANYTHING up.

I simply said that I would pass.

He's not worth the risk.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231629)

One incident.


Oh the humanity! Please provide a link on this.





Oh multiple incidents now? Do you have inside information?



Such as?



False. He was suspended for the crab legs and did community service for time.

He was suspended for the student union incident which was BS. None of the students thought that mattered, because well others do it too. He was simply copying a meme. It only got blown out of proportion because of social media.



People who resort to broad sweeping generalities are engaging in hyperbole to suit their own personal antagonisms. Ever hear an angry man tell the truth? They usually don't. Their anger gets in the way. Sociopaths resort to over generalizations when combined with some false reports.

Always getting star treatment? That's why he was punished for the crab legs and suspended? That's why he was suspended for the student union incident?
The reported facts do NOT support your claims. You must be a UF fan.



Totally different matter than what's been said about Winston's guilt.





More non facts and innuendo. FSU hired an independent judge for the hearing on Winston.



How longstanding has it been? Was he like this back at home in Alabama too? Please establish a factual timeline on this "longstanding" pattern.

I can he's immature. But I've also learned from people who personally know him that he's known as a goofball. He jokes a lot. But he is well liked actually. Even the coach has said his enthusiasm drives the team and has had a good effect on it.


Yet, some will. Afterall, 20% of those in the NFL have been ghetto thugs. But it gives them a chance to get out of that. I don't know if that is the background of Jameis as he grew up outside Birmingham Alabama.

In the meantime, Jameis said the rape charge hurt his reputation. His legal team is also considering further legal action.

All I asked for in this thread, is for a certain poster to back a claim of multiple thefts and upset businessmen over such an allegation. I've not heard that. I prefer facts—not innuendo. I have no issue with Jameis needing to mature and grow up, as he is a celebrity figure and needs to act differently.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231603)

This.

Sorry to burst the bubble of anyone with a man-crush on the cocoa penii of Winston...but that's the troof.

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11231636)

^because of ALL of this, if I'm an NFL GM, I pass on Winston.

I want nothing to do with any of this.

Whatever you feel, is how YOU feel.

I feel no connection nor obligation to Winston. I call him that because I can't spell his first name...because I don't give a shit. He's the rapist/thief/student union meme guy who makes bad decision after bad decision, and I don't want him on my team.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231571)

He was cleared on the rape charge. Or haven't you heard? Have you actually read the record on that hearing?

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11231639)

I'm completely on your side on this one but...it feels...dirty.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231645)

Don't you think the media, particularly ESPN who is in the pocket of the SEC had something to do with that perception?

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231643)

Hey, Buc, your homer is showing.

Want to listen to the 911 tape of a Burger King employee complaining that Jameis is stealing soda?

Or the video of him stealing crab legs from Publix?

So, I'm a sociopath for 'making up' stories about him? And because you sat in a chamber meeting and talked football with people, you know better? How bout you just... read the news?

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231629)

One incident.
Wrong.

Oh the humanity! Please provide a link on this.
I provided links

Oh multiple incidents now? Do you have inside information?
Yep, inside the national news

Such as?
Links provided earlier


He was suspended for the student union incident which was BS. None of the students thought that mattered, because well others do it too. He was simply copying a meme. It only got blown out of proportion because of social media. Maturity issue for someone who has media attention on him? Sure.
He's a goddamned Heisman QB vying for a 2nd national championship. He's not a 'normal college student.' They were right to suspend him, and only did so because it was yet another misstep in a series of missteps. It wasn't a stand-alone incident.

People who resort to broad sweeping generalities are engaging in hyperbole to suit their own personal antagonisms. Ever hear an angry man tell the truth? They usually don't. Their anger gets in the way. Sociopaths resort to over generalizations when combined with some false reports.
Facts is facts.

"Always"getting star treatment? That's why he was punished for the crab legs and suspended? That's why he was suspended for the student union incident?
The reported facts do NOT support your claims. You must be a UF fan. Thye had Hernandez who had his record concealed regarding a gun incident where someone was shot, because he was still a youth. Now he's in legal trouble for double murder.
NY Times: At Florida State, Football Clouds Justice.

Totally different matter than what's been said about Winston's guilt. True about many others and not true for many others as well.
Not everything said is true. That said, many things are true.

How longstanding has it been? Was he like this back at home in Alabama too? Please establish a factual timeline on this "longstanding" pattern.
There's enough evidence in his short time in Talahassee.

I can see thinking he's immature and even irresponsible. But I've also learned from people who personally know him that he's known as a goofball. He jokes a lot. But he is well liked actually. Even the coach has said his enthusiasm drives the team and has had a good effect on it. So he possesses some leadership qualities at least.
Hitler was a good leader. So was Manson. Being a good leader can be a very bad thing, sometimes.

All I asked for in this thread, is for a certain poster to back a claim of multiple thefts and upset businessmen over such an allegation. I've not heard that. I prefer facts—not innuendo. I have no issue with Jameis needing to mature and grow up, as he is a celebrity figure and needs to act differently.
Facts provided.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11231646)

Oh, you misunderstood me.

I'm all on Winston's side.

I feel dirty about siding with you...

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231654)

I just found the Burger King thing on wiki. That makes two as opposed to using a non-specific such as multiple incidents of theft implying it's happened a lot more and to a lot of other businesses that have complained.

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11231641)

You'd have to compare him to Cam Newton, except Newton was a tier higher as a football player. Newton was run out of UF in disgrace after he got caught stealing someone else's laptop (and there were other stories told about him that never became media stories, just like with Winston). He managed to wiggle out of the pay-for-play controversy not because no money was solicited but only because the NCAA couldn't prove he knew it had happened.

The questions surrounding him were always about whether he was going to work hard and what kind of leader he could be, and if he would be out of trouble off the field. Obviously he just flipped his truck acting like a dumbass a couple of weeks ago and could have gotten himself killed, and his leadership has always been in question. With Newton though, his football character is fine. He has a passion for football and puts in the work because he wants to be regarded as greater than everyone else, so in that sense his ego and his pride work in his favor.

You don't get that idea about Winston. He comes off like a garden variety dumbass who is extremely entitled and knows nothing about professionalism, a child who you'll have to babysit and hope they stay out of trouble, to say nothing of putting in the work to learn the QB position in the NFL.

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231658)

.

They were right to suspend him,...

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231663)

Oh, how unfortunate for you. Feeling is mutual.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231681)

Where did I say it wasn't? I stated it as a matter of fact that he was punished for it.



He's cleared on rape, student union charge was bogus. You've got two theft incidents. That's not a series. Sorry but I disagree.

Oh really, you compare Winston to Hitler now. You're gonna drag politics into this? Now if I respond to how irrelevant Godwin's law is, I will be blasted for making a political comment in the Lounge. But here goes:

"memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons."

I'm the one trying to reduce the hyperbolic comparisons not some of the others here. That's one reason why it's not relevant, the other is he's an athlete playing football—not a political leader of a government that is armed to the teeth which can crush and murder others.

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231664)

Moving the goalposts.

You asked for multiple. I gave you multiple.

Now 2 isnt multiple.

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231700)

I simply said Hitler was a good leader, to illustrate that being a good leader and a good person who achieves good results are not mutually inclusive.

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231700)

I never compared him to Hitler.

I simply said Hitler was a good leader, to illustrate that being a good leader and a good person who achieves good results are not mutually inclusive.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 11230900)

I said as much in the draft forum. I don't want a dumbass (he is) who regresses from his freshman to sophomore year. And dumbass.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231681)

Where did I say it wasn't? I stated it as a matter of fact that he was punished for it.



He's cleared on rape, student union charge was bogus. You've got two theft incidents. That's not a series. Sorry but I disagree.

Oh really, you compare Winston to Hitler now. You're gonna drag politics into this? Now if I respond to how irrelevant Godwin's law is, I will be blasted for making a political comment in the Lounge. But here goes:

"memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons."

I'm the one trying to reduce the hyperbolic comparisons not some of the others here. That's one reason why it's not relevant, the other is he's an athlete playing football—not a political leader of a government that is armed to the teeth which can crush and murder others.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11231708)

Hitler also got results.

I'm not sure what your point is either...

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231772)

I said "good" results, meaning, for the good of humanity.

I'll be concerned if your next post challenges that.

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231780)

http://i.imgur.com/DNAmlWh.jpg


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Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231780)

http://i.imgur.com/DNAmlWh.jpg


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Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231811)

Oh I think he'll be better than Cam Newton in the NFL.


I just also think he's a huge piece of shit scumbag that I don't want to be a Chief.

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11231658)

.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11231629)

One incident.


Oh the humanity! Please provide a link on this.





Oh multiple incidents now? Do you have inside information?



Such as?



False. He was suspended for the crab legs and did community service for time.

He was suspended for the student union incident which was BS. None of the students thought that mattered, because well others do it too. He was simply copying a meme. It only got blown out of proportion because of social media. Maturity issue for someone who has media attention on him? Sure.



People who resort to broad sweeping generalities are engaging in hyperbole to suit their own personal antagonisms. Ever hear an angry man tell the truth? They usually don't. Their anger gets in the way. Sociopaths resort to over generalizations when combined with some false reports.

"Always"getting star treatment? That's why he was punished for the crab legs and suspended? That's why he was suspended for the student union incident?
The reported facts do NOT support your claims. You must be a UF fan. Thye had Hernandez who had his record concealed regarding a gun incident where someone was shot, because he was still a youth. Now he's in legal trouble for double murder.



Totally different matter than what's been said about Winston's guilt. True about many others and not true for many others as well.



More non facts and innuendo. FSU hired an independent judge for the hearing on Winston.



How longstanding has it been? Was he like this back at home in Alabama too? Please establish a factual timeline on this "longstanding" pattern.

I can see thinking he's immature and even irresponsible. But I've also learned from people who personally know him that he's known as a goofball. He jokes a lot. But he is well liked actually. Even the coach has said his enthusiasm drives the team and has had a good effect on it. So he possesses some leadership qualities at least.


Yet, some will. Afterall, 20% of those in the NFL have been ghetto thugs. But it gives them a chance to get out of that. I don't know if that is the background of Jameis as he grew up outside Birmingham Alabama. Doesn't seem like it.

In the meantime, Jameis said the rape charge hurt his reputation. His legal team is also considering further legal action.

All I asked for in this thread, is for a certain poster to back a claim of multiple thefts and upset businessmen over such an allegation. I've not heard that. I prefer facts—not innuendo. I have no issue with Jameis needing to mature and grow up, as he is a celebrity figure and needs to act differently.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 11231727)

One guy responded to this to bust my balls? You dumb****s want him even though he got worse his second year and is coming out?

Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 11231882)

JFC, why aren't you on universal ignore? you literally add nothing to any conversation on this site, just inane drivel. the sad thing is that you aren't even an effective troll because you believe the shit you post. shit, one of your daughter's profs could tell you that he's the metatron and 800 years old (complete with no birth certificate because the cosmic bajeebus doesn't do birth certificates) and you'd likely believe him as long as it fit your narrow narrative.

just a sad human being. when I read your posts it kinda makes me sad that we breathe the same oxygen and that you're the same species as I am.

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11231961)

Our next QB could be Lucifer himself, but I won't give a shit as long as we win.

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11231983)

Not many people would. Trouble is, Winston won't win at the NFL level.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 11230891)

is this guy going to be the new sanchez/geno?

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11231986)

No one really knows.



Just look at the history of this board.

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11231986)

No one really knows.



Just look at the history of this board.

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11232015)

No, no one really knows, but his behavior fits a pattern that does not equal success. You can't find anyone quarterbacking in the NFL who is that kind of person.

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11232015)

No, no one really knows, but his behavior fits a pattern that does not equal success. You can't find anyone quarterbacking in the NFL who is that kind of person.

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11232121)

Don't get me wrong, I agree. QB needs to have good judgement, and Winston is severely deficient in this department off the field.


Winston, if he succeeds, will be the QB that throws 3 picks in the first half, only to come back and win the game on the final drive in the 4th.

Originally Posted by Crying Ramtard (Post 11232229)

and you of course wont question it afterwords

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 11232242)

And there it is...its not because he sucks...its rigged.:doh!:

Originally Posted by Crying Ramtard (Post 11232254)

You think the moron could pass an entrance exam ?

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11232370)

Nope. I don't think Winston can even read beyond an 8th grade level. He's borderline reeruned, like Vince Young. Single digit Wonderlic.

Originally Posted by Crying Ramtard (Post 11232254)

you are the one who said he would have an unrealistic comeback win.
of course its all rigged. It has to be for him to step on a field in the first place. You think the moron could pass an entrance exam ?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11235344)

Nfl throw after nfl throw, in a pro style offense.

Damn it.