Couldn't agree more.

I think they were pretty smart in addressing their OL issues in FA and trades - which allows them to use most of their 10 picks on difference makers.

Big issue with that was coaching. Stephenson, Hudson and Asamoah don't fit what Andy wants in an OL. Completely different scheme from what I remember.

I wouldn't be against grabbing a guard or tackle in the 3rd-5th round range if they're the BPA at that point. Like a John Miller or Rob Havenstein. I just don't see OL as the BPA at #18 though. There are number of CBs that would fit better.

Hudson didn't fit what Andy wants in an OL? ****ing bullshit. He was such a bad fit that we tried to re-sign him.

Where do you get this shit?

If Stephenson doesn't fit the scheme, why is he getting a shot to start at RT?

Also, this.

I can agree with that. Mid to late rounds I definitely would not mind. At 18.....ughhhh

The biggest boost to the line would be Fisher putting on his big boy pants and owning souls

Hudson did an awesome job no doubt. But I think there's a reason Allen and Stephenson went to get bigger and stronger?

I think Andy likes the power scheme type OL who can be athletic like the zone blocking guys. IIRC Sorter said we played some zone.

I think that last year was so catastrophic bc Reid had big plans for Allen and Stepehenson to get bigger to be more like "maulers" but keeping that athleticism.

For 6m per (what was reported that we offered) he would have been a good signing.

He wasn't worth 9

Only thing that didn't fit with Hudson was his $$$ demands. As Reid said, Hudson was fortunate that he was pretty much the only good free agent center available. He hit the market at the right time......otherwise, I suspect he'd still be a Chief.

Truth.

Hell, I'd be happy if he started playing like a 1st rounder.

Would be a bonus if he started playing like a #1 overall pick.

Stephenson's combine numbers were one of the best, if not the best, I've ever seen from an offensive lineman. 4.94 40. 35.5" vertical at 6'6", 312 lb. Insane. He has good feet and comes up and out from his stance extremely fast.

The one thing that was a legitimate criticism was his lack of functional playing strength. He was not strong like bull. It's obvious why he dipped into the PED's which led to his suspension. If he can get to the point where he's weight trained himself into his natural athleticism, I think he can be one of the better tackles in the league.

If not...eh.

Allen was primarily viewed as a career backup OL guy at four positions. Valuable to a team, but I've never seen him as a starter in the league. He doesn't have the athleticism to be a edge protector or the strength to function effectively in the box. However, he can play either guard or tackle position and gives the team a security blanket for the entire line.

Personally, I could see them going offensive tackle in the first and then an interior guy in the third.

If La'el Collins is there, it's not a bad pick, though I doubt he's going to be available.

As I stated in Draft Planet, I think that Oregon's Jake Fisher is one of the most viable options for the Chiefs in the first round. He fit's Dorsey's profile to a "T" and is a nasty ****er on the field.

Don't be too surprised if his name is read on Draft day when the Chiefs pick.

If that doesn't jibe with you, you better start hoping to hell that this team gets Stephenson the Balco vitamin regime or gets Derek Sherrod's head back into football. Otherwise, there is a definite possibility of having Fisher bookends come opening game 2015.

Sac, how do you feel about DJ Humphries? If we pick OL at 18 I would want him.

Trade down and hopefully get another 2nd

1st Rd - OLB/S Shaq Thompson

Can fill Eric Berry or Derrick Johnson spot


2nd Rd - Best WR
2nd Rd - Best OL or CB

let the freak out begin LMAO

Ya know....that guy has a nearly unlimited ceiling if he can land somewhere with a coaching staff that knows how to utilize his talents.

Mr Versatility.

Every player named "Shaq" gets overrated.

Damn, the Chiefs are smarter than I thought then. This clearly explains the lack of high round QB's and why they should probably continue to stay away.

Sutton loves throwing a bunch of safeties out there at the same time

Thompson would be great for that

Personaly, I think that Petty has the highest ceiling in this class and if the Chiefs took him in the first, I wouldn't complain because there's so much WR depth and even offensive line depth.

He would be a steal for the Chiefs in the second, IMO.

:Lin:

Why would anyone advocate taking a poor route runner that hasn't played football in two years, when so many other WCO WR's that could contribute immediately are available?

If DGB played at freaking Clemson, no one on Chiefslpanet would have heard of him, let alone, advocate for him.

The reality is that we don't have Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or even Russel Wilson.

Hell, just name about any of the playoff QBs last year.

We have Alex Smith.
He's not elite, and the only way he reaches 2nd tier status is if you provide him with the very best protection you can.

He can be highly efficient if you do, and we, as a fanbase, have to hope to hell that highly efficient is good enough.

I've said it before.
Marcus Marriota looks like the next Alex Smith.

I'll pass.

But by the time these newly drafted OL are hitting their prime, hopefully Alex is gone.

We should be drafting for the future, not for the next two years.

Zach Martin

Geez, I HOPE it doesn't take them another 6 years before they pay off.

Sac, back in the 2012 draft Our Lads had Allen rated as the 3rd best guard. They had Stephenson as the 15th rated Tackle. Kiper had Allen as the 6th rated tackle and Stephenson as the 14th rated tackle. So, (not that it means much now), Allen was generally higher rated than Stephenson by both Our Lads and Kiper. Methinks people are selling Allen a bit short.

Also, I heard through buddy of buddy of buddy (yeah, I know, not exactly firsthand), that when Stephenson got nailed with the suspension last year, he kind of turned "internal" and simply quit working out for those 4 weeks. Needless to say, the coaching staff was not enamored with the shape he was in upon his return. Anyway, the word now is that Stephenson redoubled his training efforts and is ready to go.

Not sure what to make of this, but since we're a little short of football stuffs, thought I'd toss it out there.

As per Jake Fisher, my sense is that the "knock" on him is that he (like Eric Fisher) needs to get stronger. If true, not sure he'd contribute much next year. Nonetheless, such a selection wouldn't surprise me at all.

He's sloppy. Or, moreso, he plays sloppy looking. His feet are nice, he positions himself well, but he seems to be all over when defending, especially on run blocking. On pass protection he keeps a good base under him and stays on his guy.

I'm not sure he plays strong. He gets after dudes, but he doesn't manhandle them when he locks onto them like Collins or Fisher does. He's a puncher and it looks like he tends to keep his hands really high on defenders. I don't know if that's a good thing, but it's worked for him so far on the college level.

He's got the tools. I'm surprised he doesn't look more tight technically after being in that program.

I think he's a left tackle only.

Give me some examples.

Allen works hard, has a great attitude and knows the game. He's just "good" across the board versus having elite traits in certain areas. He's a very functional reserve, the #1 dude at four positions, on a decent team.

I agree with you on Fisher. He could stand to add some mass and strength, but he absolutely gets after dudes on the field. Mean as shit and aggressive. Maybe too much at times, but he also has a high level of athleticism, moves exceptionally well laterally and has great form on both pass and run protection. But it will probably take a year to get him to play at the NFL level in terms of strength and technique.

As I've stated, I think that there are two guys who are plug-and-play for this team on the offensive line in this draft - La'el Collins at RT and John Miller at RG. (I also like Miller as a potential Center, but he'd require time to get that position down.) Both are very fundamentally sound, play nasty and would work well in this system. Other than that, it's projects and potential.

Erving or Laell Collins and Lockett in the 2nd

I really want Miller in the 3rd. Put him at RG day one.

Packers.

Patriots (who have only spent their #1s on tackles, the way you should do it).

Ravens

Steelers

Bengals

Basically, a **** ton of teams not named the Cowboys, 49ers, or Seahawks.

The Broncos? What the **** do you call them?

Also, guess who's NOT in this class of teams? The Chiefs.

Getting Alex moar tight ends to check down to is the best plan

DGB would probably end up like Baldwin if we drafted him in the first round

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Get him in the 4th round now.

So DGB would suck in san fran with the uber QB Kapernick too?

I'd still take him just a dui lol

I love news like this bc we have a GM who will take advantage of that value if he falls.

The Chiefs are likely to draft Andrus Peat. They should draft a Malcolm Brown or Eddie Goldman.

Lessens the asking price and teaches a valuable lesson all in one shot.

I really, really like PJ Williams for this defense. IMO, best CB in this draft for what Sutton runs. (Williams then Eric Rowe.)

Might drop him to our second rounder...

Now if we could just get one of those top WRs to fall to our pick.

This is his 2nd run in with the cops. Developing a pattern

Not sure I want dumb, irresponsible guys on our team. However, young guys are often dumb and irresponsible. So, if interested in this guy, I'd check his ass out all the way up to the small intestine before I'd draft him. Maybe, just maybe, this incident may assist in the maturation process. On the other hand, it might be an indication of a simple idiot who will always be a simple idiot.

What's with it with these guys anyway? Sitting on the edge of a fantastic opportunity and then go and get blasted/arrested. Dumb is as dumb does.

Sheesh.

If I'm ok taking a guy with off field issues, why wouldn't I rather have Peters? Seems to have more upside

Big difference between DUI and issues with coaches.

Will Shields was a third round pick. Hall of Famer. Probably the best lineman to ever play for the Chiefs.

Dave Szott was a seventh round pick. Rock solid his entire career.

Tim Grunhard was a second round pick. Arguably the least talented of his group he played with, albeit a great center (that never played guard! OH THE HORROR!!)

Brian Waters was a ****ing UDFA that played another position entirely before switching to o-lineman. Arguably the MOST talented lineman of the bunch.


The point is you don't blow first round picks on interior lineman. And this year's version of the Chiefs especially needs playmakers taken early and often in this draft, on both sides of the ball.

PJ Williams was a fringe 1st rounder to begin with. I bet he could fall to round 3 with this incident. A steal if we could get him there.

Shit, take him in the second. Don't even gamble if he'll be there in the third.

Glad someone gets it.

If you know what you're doing, you don't necessarily need them at tackle either - certainly not RT.

BAFB

/titus

Meh, I'm sure you can find hall of fame guards that were early picks too.

The Chiefs problem is thag they e sucked at drafting. No matter what position, they've sucked

Then by all means, let's keep throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks, and then next season we can all sit around saying we should have taken (name playmaking position here).

There are a glut of playmakers to be had in the first round this year. I will not be happy if we take a guard/center/d-tackle guy/3-4 end guy.

Guards taken in the 1st round since 2001.

2014 - None
2013 - Jonathan Cooper, Chance Warmack, Kyle Long
2012 - David DeCastro, Kevin Zeitler
2011 - Mike Pouncey, Danny Watkins
2010 - Mike Iupati
2009 - None
2008 - Branden Albert
2007 - Ben Grubbs
2006 - Davin Joseph
2005 - Logan Mankins
2004 - Vernon Carey
2003 - None
2002 - Kendall Simmons
2001 - Steve Hutchinson

I think the 3rd round is a great area to draft an OL. Get your playmakers early this year and then fill that hole later.

Centers taken in the 1st round since 2001

2014 - None
2013 - Travis Frederick
2012 - None
2011 - Mike Pouncey
2010 - Maurkice Pouncey
2009 - Alex Mack
2008 - None
2007 - None
2006 - Nick Mangold
2005 - Chris Spencer
2004 - None
2003 - Jeff Faine
2002 - None
2001 - None

I'm sure you can as well.

Again, I believe it is MUCH easier to find a fatty that can start for your organization in the late rounds than it is to find a playmaker/difference maker late.

You have to go back to 2008 for the last difference maker we've drafted in the 4th or later. (Carr)

In that same time period, we've used NINE picks on OL/DL in the first three rounds.

Makes a ton of sense, I'd have to agree.

I'm not disagreeing with that premise, but the chiefs problem again, hasn't been position picked as much as just taking poor players, and moreso, having a shitty organization to develop them after they've been pIcked.

I think that's the bigger issue, in that between marty and andy, there wasnt much development of said players once picked.

I believe that's changed with this regime in that they have a good staff in place to develop players. Now they need to keep acquiring talent. Position wise I don't really get to hung up on, but I wouldn't be too excited about a first round center, that's for sure, but I wouldn't reach for a wr or whatever just because he plays a premium position.

on that note

Chiefs picks:

1st round - OLB/S Shaq Thompson
2nd round - TE Maxx Williams
2nd round - WR Tyler Lockett

Chiefs should have taken Alex Mack in 2009. I wanted Alex Mack as our pick in 2009.

At #3?

Why would we draft an OLB in the first?

Yep.

****ing mind blowing, isn't it?

Could you imagine this board if we took a center at #3? ROFL

ROFL idiot

Go look at the first round of that draft and tell me who has been the best player since that was taken in that first round.

I got some shit about it at the time if I remember correctly.

because he might be the best BPA at the time

We need help at LB and S, he is both

Damn near anyone would have been a better pick than Tyson Jackson.

Couldn't have done much worse.

Not the point and you know it is not the point.
You don't take C in the first round let alone in the top 5 idiot.

So you want us to spend our 1st on a tweener that is for depth. We can get some depth for those positions later not in the first.

Knowing that now? Yeah. This board would have flipped its shit more than we did over the TJ pick if we had picked a center.

If he's the best player in the draft, sure you do.

You'd rather take a busto like Darrius Heyward-Bey or Aaron Maybin because of the position they play is deemed an "exciting" position by the casual fan versus a perennial All-Pro because he's on the offensive line?

If we had an even decent LG this past season, this team would have been in the playoffs.

You tell me what's a more important position when push comes to shove...

it includes a trade down first


unless one of the key WR falls to us or something

i assume that even shelton will be gone

Dude...

Geez...

For realz?

A 6', 220 lb. outside linebacker that runs a 4.64? For a 34?

You own a "Paul Dawson for President" t-shirt too?

I just don't see a fit for Thompson on this team.

With hindsight sure but without it absolutely you do NOT take a C in the first and for damn sure not in the top 5.

I don't either. He is a 4-3 OLB. He would have to shift inside. There are and will be better ILB when we are on the clock.

I would have. Advocated it at the time.

Mack was the best center prospect I've ever seen at the collegiate level.

****ed dudes up. Bad.

I take that guy at #3, especially when our choices were coming down to guys like Mark Sanchez, Tyson Jackson, etc.

(Although I would have been okay with Eugene Monroe as that would have given us the potential of sliding over Albert to LG, which he said he was willing to do if they drafted Monroe.)

Mack was the best player in that draft, regardless of position, IMO.