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SAUTO 06-10-2015 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11542953)
Sure but I think it's a little too early to discuss his durability when in limited duty, he's suffered a broken leg. I'm not stating that it's systemic or an injury bug, but it did happen and it did negatively affect that outcome of that particular game.

Hopefully, it was a freak injury and nothing more.

Charles was hurt in the same game for about the 30th time counting his shoulder issues

Easy 6 06-10-2015 05:56 PM

JC has more wiggle in his pinkie toe than Knile does in his whole body.

But I like to see the confidence, and Knile brings his own dynamic to the fold... a 230 pound guy with his straight line speed and catch ability is the perfect backup for JC.

We have the best 1-2 backfield punch in the NFL, IMO.

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-10-2015 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11542929)
Why does he average 3.5 yards per carry then? He also has the advantage of being the change of speed back to Jamaal. If he gets full time duties that number would likely even decrease.

I wonder what JC 's yards per carry were his first two years behind LJ ?

milkman 06-10-2015 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11543424)
I wonder what JC 's yards per carry were his first two years behind LJ ?

5.3 and 5.9

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-10-2015 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11543430)
5.3 and 5.9


Charles is one of a kind, he can't be replaced.

BossChief 06-10-2015 06:26 PM

Charles ran a 4.38 at the combine
Davis ran a 4.37 at the combine

SAUTO 06-10-2015 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11543462)
Charles ran a 4.38 at the combine
Davis ran a 4.37 at the combine

Change of pace back

milkman 06-10-2015 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11543470)
Change of pace back

Regardless of speed, Knile Davis, with 25 lbs on Charles, should be a change of pace.

At 230 lbs, when there isn't a seam, he's a guy that should be punishing tacklers.

He isn't as quick, and he doesn't have the vision or burst that Charles has, so he needs to be using the physical tools he has that Charles doesn't.

Mr. Laz 06-10-2015 06:36 PM

In short yardage you take the first hole no matter what the play calls for

Kman34 06-10-2015 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11543502)
Regardless of speed, Knile Davis, with 25 lbs on Charles, should be a change of pace.

At 230 lbs, when there isn't a seam, he's a guy that should be punishing tacklers.

He isn't as quick, and he doesn't have the vision or burst that Charles has, so he needs to be using the physical tools he has that Charles doesn't.

If he has improved his skills as a pass catcher this year he will be a great weapon....

ThaVirus 06-10-2015 06:42 PM

This isn't the same situation or play call by any means, but here's the difference between the vision and shiftiness of JC and Davis. Jamaal makes 7 yards out of absolutely nothing here. He's really made a career of these types of runs.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_...brownswide.gif

Easy 6 06-10-2015 06:52 PM

Great gif, goes half the field one way and comes back another third of it for seven yards, ducking under people as he goes.

Thomas has sooo many of those same instincts/skills... just .cant .wait

TinyEvel 06-10-2015 07:20 PM

Knile needs more carries? :shrug:

Kman34 06-10-2015 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11543559)
Great gif, goes half the field one way and comes back another third of it for seven yards, ducking under people as he goes.

Thomas has sooo many of those same instincts/skills... just .cant .wait

Very impressed with Sherman's block on the MLB #53....

Hamwallet 06-10-2015 08:37 PM

Bring it. Love what he is saying. Everyone would have laughed when JC said that after LJs record breaking season. We have a knack for spotting awesome RB's.

TEX 06-10-2015 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamwallet (Post 11543804)
Bring it. Love what he is saying. Everyone would have laughed when JC said that after LJs record breaking season. We have a knack for spotting awesome RB's.

Im glad thats the case now because it sure didn't used to br. I remember all those RBBC YEARS. Used to piss me off to no end.

In58men 06-10-2015 09:59 PM

I hope he's not wanting a big contract. I think he can easily start for a lot of teams out there. He reminds me of Eddie Lacy though. I love this guy.

-King- 06-10-2015 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11543182)
Sure, that's how it's designed, but it didn't happen the way it was designed, so he needs to use his vision to adjust and make the right choice.

Original point being, he does it more than he should.

He was already making his cut when Kelce whiffed. Bottom line is, if Kelce gets an average block, that's a first down and then more. If Kelce gets a good block, that's a touchdown. Youre expecting him to ditch the play call basically as soon as he gets the ball. Even Jamaal doesn't do that.
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Buehler445 06-10-2015 10:24 PM

Jamaal Charles is generational talent. All time great.

Knile Davis is Knile Davis. That is the gap.

Easy 6 06-11-2015 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 11543751)
Very impressed with Sherman's block on the MLB #53....

Hell yeah, stays with him 10 or so yards downfield.

BossChief 06-11-2015 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11544035)
He was already making his cut when Kelce whiffed. Bottom line is, if Kelce gets an average block, that's a first down and then more. If Kelce gets a good block, that's a touchdown. Youre expecting him to ditch the play call basically as soon as he gets the ball. Even Jamaal doesn't do that.
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Exactly. Look at the gif of Jamaal. He did the same thing as Knile, but he got his blocks to the outside...but the initial hole was there if he decided to forego his blocking and the playcall to shoot upfield.

He followed his blocks and has to squirm for 7 yards.

mdchiefsfan 06-11-2015 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11543168)
I understand it's a run to the outside. Fact is, there was no block, he looked right at the defender and tried to bounce it to the outside anyway when it wasn't there instead of pushing forward.

It's not really debatable.

And yes, he shuffled his feet while trying to make a half assed move on the defender instead of simply going forward.

Kelce didn't whiff until Davis made his cut to the outside. We can nitpick on a looped video, we had to watch three times before we decided who's at fault, when in game time you have a millisecond to make a choice. Don't act as if he would've taken the hole you want, and Kelce actually sealed the edge, that Andy wouldn't have benched his ass immediately for not following the script.

Tough call to make in that fraction of a second; when in doubt, do what the coaches ask you to do.

O.city 06-11-2015 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11543528)
This isn't the same situation or play call by any means, but here's the difference between the vision and shiftiness of JC and Davis. Jamaal makes 7 yards out of absolutely nothing here. He's really made a career of these types of runs.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_...brownswide.gif

Crazy same play as davis but Jamal follows the counter outside, but like the davis play, there is a hole straight ahead behind hudson.

O.city 06-11-2015 08:05 AM

If he runs straight ahead behind hudson from the snap he's 1 on 1 with a safety, but that's not where the design is

SeeingRed 06-11-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11542864)
I watched the press conference and that is taking it out of context.

THIS

SeeingRed 06-11-2015 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 11543751)
Very impressed with Sherman's block on the MLB #53....

Thats what true best fullback in the league does. :thumb: Jamaal is great...but he's greater with Sherman than he would be without him.

ThaVirus 06-11-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11544184)
Crazy same play as davis but Jamal follows the counter outside, but like the davis play, there is a hole straight ahead behind hudson.


As I said, Jamaal's play was in a different situation. 2nd and 8. If it were 3rd and 1 I'd expect Jamaal to hit the first hole he saw.

In Knile's situation, all we needed was 1 yard. You don't try to dance around and bounce it outside in those situations.

-King- 06-11-2015 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11544664)
As I said, Jamaal's play was in a different situation. 2nd and 8. If it were 3rd and 1 I'd expect Jamaal to hit the first hole he saw.

In Knile's situation, all we needed was 1 yard. You don't try to dance around and bounce it outside in those situations.

He didn't dance or bounce it outside. He did what he was supposed to do. And if Kelce did what he was supposed to do, that's an easy first down and maybe even TD given Davis' speed.
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ThaVirus 06-11-2015 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11544815)
He didn't dance or bounce it outside. He did what he was supposed to do. And if Kelce did what he was supposed to do, that's an easy first down and maybe even TD given Davis' speed.
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He was dancing like he was Lesean McCoy. Look at his feet shuffling and his head bobbing. He tried to bounce it outside but failed.

I'm saying, in that situation, he needed to cut upfield instead of trying to bounce out. Had he cut upfield and extended himself on the way down, he could have been close to the marker. There's still a chance he wouldn't have made it with Hudson not being able to get on his man but it would have been a lot more intelligent play, situationally, had he cut upfield instead.

ThaVirus 06-24-2015 11:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jamaal Charles was tied for the lowest % of carries that went for no gain or loss at 12.2%. <a href="http://t.co/QgZLUcIoeK">pic.twitter.com/QgZLUcIoeK</a></p>&mdash; Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/612044954974732288">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jamaal Charles was tied for the lowest % of carries that went for no gain or loss at 12.2%. Knile Davis was the 2nd highest at 25.4%.</p>&mdash; Matt Claassen (@PFF_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Matt/status/611931451500564480">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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BossChief 06-25-2015 09:56 AM

Very impressive

RobBlake 06-25-2015 01:24 PM

Charles is truly impressive with that stat.. wow.

Now give charles the Cowboy's line...

BF88 10-12-2015 04:08 AM

Here's his chance to prove it. Does anyone know why Kniles has barely played this year even as backup to Charles? Does he suck that much?

Baby Lee 10-12-2015 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BF88 (Post 11794012)
Here's his chance to prove it. Does anyone know why Kniles has barely played this year even as backup to Charles? Does he suck that much?

Dyson has filed 5 patents on him.

rabblerouser 10-12-2015 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11794021)
Dyson has filed 5 patents on him.

ROFL

No shit - that's how Charcandrick West passes you on the depth chart.

BF88 10-12-2015 05:29 AM

He used to be so good back when he started those games when Charles was injured in previous seasons. Hard to believe he lost all his talent just like that.

rabblerouser 10-12-2015 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BF88 (Post 11794050)
He used to be so good back when he started those games when Charles was injured in previous seasons. Hard to believe he lost all his talent just like that.

What the **** are you talking about?? Only game I'm aware of Davis starting over Charles was the last game of 2013 Reg season when the refs handed the game to SD in order to screw Pittsburgh for some reason.

Other than that, no starts.

Oh, btw...Davis has always been a poor man's Larry Johnson.

**** him.

jspchief 10-12-2015 06:17 AM

Davis will never be more than a #2 or committee back.

I'm more excited to see West.

seamonster 10-12-2015 06:26 AM

Wow. That stat is incredible considering how low-rent the Chiefs offensive line has been. And that's not some recent current event that's the reality Charles has dealt with his entire career. Can't see any reason why he shouldn't be a first round ballot HOF'er but because he played for a small market team that never won a playoff game they'll give the HOF nod to Adrian Peterson instead.

rabblerouser 10-12-2015 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 11794112)
Wow. That stat is incredible considering how low-rent the Chiefs offensive line has been. And that's not some recent current event that's the reality Charles has dealt with his entire career. Can't see any reason why he shouldn't be a first round ballot HOF'er but because he played for a small market team that never won a playoff game they'll give the HOF nod to Adrian Peterson instead.

Another small market back whose only playoff win came with Favre at QB in 2011??

ThaVirus 10-12-2015 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11794053)
What the **** are you talking about?? Only game I'm aware of Davis starting over Charles was the last game of 2013 Reg season when the refs handed the game to SD in order to screw Pittsburgh for some reason.

Other than that, no starts.

Oh, btw...Davis has always been a poor man's Larry Johnson.

**** him.


He started week 3 of 2014 against the Dolphins. He had 2 TDs, IIRC.

jimidollar 10-12-2015 09:31 AM

Charles s better even with two ACL tears.

TimBone 10-12-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11794564)
He started week 3 of 2014 against the Dolphins. He had 2 TDs, IIRC.

Yeah, but you've got to realize, Rabblerouser is a moron.

TEX 10-12-2015 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 11794053)
What the **** are you talking about?? Only game I'm aware of Davis starting over Charles was the last game of 2013 Reg season when the refs handed the game to SD in order to screw Pittsburgh for some reason.

Other than that, no starts.

Oh, btw...Davis has always been a poor man's Larry Johnson.

**** him.

Played well against the Broncos in Denver too, but I get your point.

chiefzilla1501 10-12-2015 09:48 AM

Knile has shown multiple times that he can be an effective even if unspectacular back when he gets carries. He and west will be fine. They won't be the reason we lose games.

Buehler445 10-12-2015 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11794021)
Dyson has filed 5 patents on him.

That, ladies and gentlemen is funny. Really funny.


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