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baitism 07-12-2015 12:51 PM

Moose needs to parlay that nice fielding play into a base hit.

Munson 07-12-2015 12:52 PM

Dammit, Omar.

petegz28 07-12-2015 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11594045)
Speaking of Sano...

I will be interested to see how he handles it when teams start busting him inside. So far, all I've seen is teams working him down and away. With his long arms and natural strength, I think that just works to his advantage and lets him extend the arms.

His swing doesn't look particularly quick to me... if you miss out over the middle, he's going to make you pay... but well-located hard stuff inside should neutralize some of Sano's power.

I agree. Give it a little time for teams to get some tape on him and we will see how he adjusts

ChiefsCountry 07-12-2015 12:52 PM

Who would have thought the final 3 games of the season against Minnesota, might actually mean something.

Munson 07-12-2015 12:53 PM

Wow. Beautiful play at 3rd.

baitism 07-12-2015 12:53 PM

Things seem to be going our way today.

duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 12:53 PM

Detroit has been the worst team in the AL since mid-May. Kind of unbelievable considering how much talent that team has on paper.

They should be selling Cespedes and Price and reloading a little bit. It's probably to the Royals' advantage for them to NOT sell, since it's hard to imagine the Tigers and Royals making a deal.

Coach 07-12-2015 12:54 PM

He's out.

lewdog 07-12-2015 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11594045)
Speaking of Sano...

I will be interested to see how he handles it when teams start busting him inside. So far, all I've seen is teams working him down and away. With his long arms and natural strength, I think that just works to his advantage and lets him extend the arms.

His swing doesn't look particularly quick to me... if you miss out over the middle, he's going to make you pay... but well-located hard stuff inside should neutralize some of Sano's power.

Yes things will change and watching him adjust will be fun. He's got amazing raw power though and he's only 22. His frame is so ****ing massive it's crazy.

petegz28 07-12-2015 12:54 PM

He's out...Ump was standing right there and not enough to overturn anyway...


Now watch them overturn it

baitism 07-12-2015 12:54 PM

He came off. The umpire was right on top of the play. No way this gets overturned.

C3HIEF3S 07-12-2015 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11594048)
Problem is, nobody's going to take that contract on some of those players. They're not assets anymore. They're way too much depreciated. Outside of Caberera who I would take, there isn't really anyone I'd want from the Tigers to be honest with you.

Nice play Moose. Should had pocketed that, Omar.

And to make matters worse (for them), that franchise has nothing in the farm.

Coach 07-12-2015 12:55 PM

Boom. Call stands.

petegz28 07-12-2015 12:55 PM

what a dumbass, stealing 3rd with 2 outs down by 6 in the 2nd?

Al Bundy 07-12-2015 12:55 PM

Stupid baseball by the Jays.

tk13 07-12-2015 12:55 PM

Way to run yourself out of an inning in a 6 run game.

C3HIEF3S 07-12-2015 12:55 PM

I think it was pretty clear that he was off. IMO, that's a nice call by the ump.

Coach 07-12-2015 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 11594063)
And to make matters worse (for them), that franchise has nothing in the farm.

Right now, no. It's pretty barren. They probably can get something out of Cespedes and Price though.

petegz28 07-12-2015 12:56 PM

With Detroit batting, Minny scores another 2 runs!!! /jk

Detroit scores...now 2-1 Minny

Dartgod 07-12-2015 12:56 PM

What a dumb move for him to even attempt that steal down 6 runs.

The Jays heads are not in this game today at all.

duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11594048)
Problem is, nobody's going to take that contract on some of those players. They're not assets anymore. They're way too much depreciated. Outside of Caberera who I would take, there isn't really anyone I'd want from the Tigers to be honest with you.

Nice play Moose. Should had pocketed that, Omar.

David Price? Yoenis Cespedes?

I'd take either if the price weren't exorbitant. Would be tough to do, though, with the idea that if you traded for Price, he could be headed right back to Detroit in free agency.

petegz28 07-12-2015 12:58 PM

There ya go, Moose. Moose and Hos both going oppo today....good things....good things

bsroyals54 07-12-2015 12:58 PM

nw yahsja WHAT? 6-0 2ND INNING?? I'll take it I guess.

Coach 07-12-2015 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11594077)
David Price? Yoenis Cespedes?

I'd take either if the price weren't exorbitant. Would be tough to do, though, with the idea that if you traded for Price, he could be headed right back to Detroit in free agency.

Well yes I wasn't thinking of those two as well, but even with that, the Tigers should be asking for a kings randsom for those 3. I'm more leery on Price though because it seems like he has a lot of mileage on that arm (and I could be wrong).

petegz28 07-12-2015 12:59 PM

ugh...well let's just get it over quick

Coach 07-12-2015 01:00 PM

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duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11594082)
Well yes I wasn't thinking of those two as well, but even with that, the Tigers should be asking for a kings randsom for those 3. I'm more leery on Price though because it seems like he has a lot of mileage on that arm (and I could be wrong).

They might ask for a ton, but they're both half-season rentals, and the value for that type of thing just isn't that high.

You're talking about a 50-75 range prospect as the headliner, with some combination of 2-3 more prospects, one of whom might also be a top 100-type prospect.

petegz28 07-12-2015 01:02 PM

uh..throw strikes please

mr. tegu 07-12-2015 01:03 PM

Price is a free agent after this season and if he does come on the market that really changes the trade landscape for starting pitchers. A guy from Detroit came on the radio and said the organization gets the impression that Price has no intention of resigning with them.

duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 01:04 PM

After Morales' HR today, KC is on pace to hit 124 HR this season. That's still in the bottom five of MLB, but it is 30 more than the team hit a season ago.

Coach 07-12-2015 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11594093)
They might ask for a ton, but they're both half-season rentals, and the value for that type of thing just isn't that high.

You're talking about a 50-75 range prospect as the headliner, with some combination of 2-3 more prospects, one of whom might also be a top 100-type prospect.

While they are half-season rentals, they are arguably the best players at their respective positions, and any team that acquires them is going to get a big boost on their chances to make it in the playoffs. I feel like they should be able to get a top 50 prospect from them, IMHO, especially from Price.

duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 11594095)
Price is a free agent after this season and if he does come on the market that really changes the trade landscape for starting pitchers. A guy from Detroit came on the radio and said the organization gets the impression that Price has no intention of resigning with them.

810 or 610?

C3HIEF3S 07-12-2015 01:07 PM

Volquez settling in now

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:07 PM

Any chance Ned trolls the universe and starts Wade Tuesday?

Coach 07-12-2015 01:07 PM

Nice pitch Volquez.

duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11594097)
While they are half-season rentals, they are arguably the best players at their respective positions, and any team that acquires them is going to get a big boost on their chances to make it in the playoffs. I feel like they should be able to get a top 50 prospect from them, IMHO, especially from Price.

Depends on where the bidding war goes.

Price hitting the market might actually drive the price down on him/Cueto, since now there are two ace-level guys on the trade market.

1.5 seasons of Cespedes were worth 0.5 seasons of Lester a season ago. 1 season of him was worth 1 season of Rick ****ing Porcello (back-end starter) during the offseason. Hard to say what a 1/2 season of Cespedes converts to in prospect terms.

C3HIEF3S 07-12-2015 01:08 PM

For those who have MLBN, the futures game is on now.

Coach 07-12-2015 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11594108)
Depends on where the bidding war goes.

Price hitting the market might actually drive the price down on him/Cueto, since now there are two ace-level guys on the trade market.

1.5 seasons of Cespedes were worth 0.5 seasons of Lester a season ago. 1 season of him was worth 1 season of Rick ****ing Porcello (back-end starter) during the offseason. Hard to say what a 1/2 season of Cespedes converts to in prospect terms.

True. I think there'll be a very desperate team that will be willing to give up a top 50 prospect for Price and Cespedes, IMHO.

baitism 07-12-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11594104)
Any chance Ned trolls the universe and starts Wade Tuesday?

He shouldn't. Plenty of good starters and it would be cool for Wade to get the save.

Coach 07-12-2015 01:12 PM

Omar is 2-2? wtf?

cosmo20002 07-12-2015 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11594104)
Any chance Ned trolls the universe and starts Wade Tuesday?

H in the 7th, D in the 8th.

baitism 07-12-2015 01:13 PM

Rios has that patented, no bat speed, swing down to a science.

mr. tegu 07-12-2015 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11594099)
810 or 610?

810 with Petro on his two minute drill segment. It was earlier this week. He basically said Price doesn't like the city or the cold.

Coach 07-12-2015 01:13 PM

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petegz28 07-12-2015 01:13 PM

Kirk Niewn-somone is going for his 4th HR today for the Mets

bsroyals54 07-12-2015 01:15 PM

Kendrys Morales, this teams best player this year. Because of his replacement of Billy Butler adding MUCH NEEDED run production to this offense that struggled often last year. Morales gets MVP of the Royals at the first half for me.

Discuss Thrower 07-12-2015 01:15 PM

Physioc doesn't understand what Tweed is.

kysirsoze 07-12-2015 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11594127)
Physioc doesn't understand what Tweed is.

LMAO

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 11594126)
Kendrys Morales, this teams best player this year. Because of his replacement of Billy Butler adding MUCH NEEDED run production to this offense that struggled often last year. Morales gets MVP of the Royals at the first half for me.

You're truly a moron.

bsroyals54 07-12-2015 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11594131)
You're truly a moron.

Great post, can't wait for your next insightful opinion

C3HIEF3S 07-12-2015 01:18 PM

Not in Kauffman Stadium, not with Cain patrolling center, Jose.

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:18 PM

Cain is far and away our MVP ... But moose, hos, Gordon, and salvy are all having better seasons than Morales.

Discuss Thrower 07-12-2015 01:18 PM

"Cain. Is. Able."


... sweet wordplay, Rex.

Coach 07-12-2015 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11594131)
You're truly a moron.

I'll say this. Morales isn't the team's best, but you could make an argument on it though. Last year, Butler had 66 RBI's in the whole 2014 season. Morales? 61 in half of a season.

bsroyals54 07-12-2015 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11594141)
I'll say this. Morales isn't the team's best, but you could make an argument on it though. Last year, Butler had 66 RBI's in the whole 2014 season. Morales? 61 in half of a season.

Biggest improvement to our lineup compared to last year if you look at what Billy Butler did compared to Morales, besides lets not mince words, we didn't hit for shit last year. Adding RBI's to the teams already best defense and best bullpen. That is MVP worthy. Hootie is dumb as ****

kysirsoze 07-12-2015 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 11594126)
Kendrys Morales, this teams best player this year. Because of his replacement of Billy Butler adding MUCH NEEDED run production to this offense that struggled often last year. Morales gets MVP of the Royals at the first half for me.

I don't hate this. I am thinking Escobar, though. He just blows me away every game.

duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 11594126)
Kendrys Morales, this teams best player this year. Because of his replacement of Billy Butler adding MUCH NEEDED run production to this offense that struggled often last year. Morales gets MVP of the Royals at the first half for me.


You spelled Lorenzo Cain's name incorrectly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 11594120)
810 with Petro on his two minute drill segment. It was earlier this week. He basically said Price doesn't like the city or the cold.

Interesting. I'll try to catch that podcast. Good news for KC (Until he signs with the Angels or Astros).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11594114)
True. I think there'll be a very desperate team that will be willing to give up a top 50 prospect for Price and Cespedes, IMHO.

If they're packaged together? Absolutely, it could net a top 25 prospect for both.

It would be interesting to see if Houston was willing to move Mark Appel for Price and Cespedes. That's about the only contender I can think of that has a deep enough system to move that type of talent without it being too crippling of a blow.

Coach 07-12-2015 01:20 PM

Come on Volquez....

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:21 PM

Give no ****s about RBIs. Morales hovers around .800 OPS. That's fine with me. He's earning his contract. But to call him our MVP? Absurd.

C3HIEF3S 07-12-2015 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11594139)
Cain is far and away our MVP ... But moose, hos, Gordon, and salvy are all having better seasons than Morales.

Cain would obviously be my choice, too.
I still can't believe how far he has come from even a couple years ago.

bsroyals54 07-12-2015 01:22 PM

I forgot RBI's don't matter, especially for a team that struggled putting runs on the board. Our record has nothing to do with getting run support this year. You're right

petegz28 07-12-2015 01:22 PM

Come on, man..throw strikes

Coach 07-12-2015 01:23 PM

GD it Volquez.

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:23 PM

Lorenzo Cain is going to be a top 5 MVP finisher at this point but yeah, our fourth best hitter Morales who doesn't play defense is team MVP

baitism 07-12-2015 01:23 PM

FFS, Volquez

petegz28 07-12-2015 01:23 PM

WTF?? 6 run lead and back-back walks? I understand pitching around Encarnacion.....but come on

C3HIEF3S 07-12-2015 01:24 PM

Balbino singles to right on a 2-2 count.

petegz28 07-12-2015 01:24 PM

Ump is not giving the high strike today

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 11594161)
I forgot RBI's don't matter, especially for a team that struggled putting runs on the board. Our record has nothing to do with getting run support this year. You're right

He's getting RBIs because moose and Cain are always on base. Morales has played good baseball this year. He's just not even remotely close to team MVP. Period.

Coach 07-12-2015 01:25 PM

There ya go!

petegz28 07-12-2015 01:25 PM

whew..nice DP!

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:26 PM

Morales is definitely more valuable than Escobar, too ! LMAO

duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 11594161)
I forgot RBI's don't matter, especially for a team that struggled putting runs on the board. Our record has nothing to do with getting run support this year. You're right

RBIs matter in that they're an important counting stat, but they're more a product of your team than an individual effort. The three guys hitting immediately in front of Morales have OBPs over .350. That's why his RBI total is so high.

Side note:
I flipped over to the Futures Game to watch Fuenmayor hit. A few thoughts:

1) He definitely is a 1B/DH type, only, for KC. Big, thick body, thick lower half.

2) He lined a two-strike single to right in his AB, off the minors' top SP prospect, Lucas Giolito. Well-located 96 MPH fastball over the outer half, and he just went with it and drilled it to right.

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11594169)
WTF?? 6 run lead and back-back walks? I understand pitching around Encarnacion.....but come on

Not a video game, Volquez has made a career out of struggling with his command. I can promise you he's not trying to walk anyone in a 6 run game

Saul Good 07-12-2015 01:27 PM

I don't understand how Escobar's WAR isn't higher. The guy is an outstanding player. After Sal, he might be the player we can least afford to lose.

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11594183)
RBIs matter in that they're an important counting stat, but they're more a product of your team than an individual effort.

Side note:
I flipped over to the Futures Game to watch Fuenmayor hit. A few thoughts:

1) He definitely is a 1B/DH type, only, for KC. Big, thick body, thick lower half.

2) He lined a two-strike single to right in his AB, off the minors' top SP prospect, Lucas Giolito. Well-located 96 MPH fastball over the outer half, and he just went with it and drilled it to right.

Sounds like team MVP material when our current team MVP Morales moves on

Coach 07-12-2015 01:28 PM

Damn.

Nice catch.

bsroyals54 07-12-2015 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11594175)
He's getting RBIs because moose and Cain are always on base. Morales has played good baseball this year. He's just not even remotely close to team MVP. Period.

Okay but I'm talking about what is making us win, having a guy in the top 2 highest RBI producers list is what is making your team with already great defense and bullpen win more games. End of story, runs is basically it. You're telling me Cain batting at 5 could of done what Morales has done? Don't get me wrong either I think Cain is a sick player, hes my avatar ffs

ChiefsCountry 07-12-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11594057)
Detroit has been the worst team in the AL since mid-May. Kind of unbelievable considering how much talent that team has on paper.

They should be selling Cespedes and Price and reloading a little bit. It's probably to the Royals' advantage for them to NOT sell, since it's hard to imagine the Tigers and Royals making a deal.

I know our neighbors to the east won't like this but Pittsburgh would be down right dangerous adding those two.

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 11594193)
Okay but I'm talking about what is making us win, having a guy in the top 2 highest RBI producers list is what is making your team with already great defense and bullpen win more games. End of story, runs is basically it. You're telling me Cain batting at 5 could of done what Morales has done? Don't get me wrong either I think Cain is a sick player, hes my avatar ffs

Cain has an .OPS like 75 points higher and is like 13-14 in situations with a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs

In short, Cain would be obliterating Morales' RBI production in the 5 hole. This is simple mathematics


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