They can take him off the list when he's healthy....yeah.

If he makes the squad next year, even though his contract will pay him approximately $960k, as a 4 year NFL veteran, he'll only count $760k against the cap in 2016 and in 2017, $775k.

Zero guaranteed money for Bray, zero downside for the Chiefs.

Dude has compromising photos of someone.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...e33685944.html

Yates also reported that the Chiefs agreed to pay Bray’s full salary of $510,000 for 2015 while he is on non-football injury list.

I think you mis understood me I'm pro bray. I was asking why would they extend him if he hadn't shown anything like the haters are saying.

This place is un****ingbelievable. Bitch for 10 years that the Chiefs refuse to draft and develop their own QB, and then when they land a big, prototypical QB who needs development and pair him with a celebrated QB-friendly coach, the boards go apeshit in anger.

how DARE the Chiefs pay a guy $300k above the vet minimum! How DARE they continue to develop a guy with a non-guaranteed contract! How DARE they keep a talented, big-arm QB around while we bitch about the deep ball! How DARE they not waste a roster spot, since he's on the NFI list!

I HOPE HE NEVER SEES THE FIELD, PURELY SO I CAN BE RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN ANYTHING.

I agree lol

One more thing to consider with Bray:

During the draft there was a lot of talk that Patterson/Hunter were the reasons for Bray's success.

Considering how much of a flop both have been in the NFL, you have to wonder if the opposite is true.

"the board goes apeshit in anger"

I'm curious what board you're reading. Yes, a couple of people cracked jokes, but 'apeshit in anger' does not exist and it damn sure isn't by the board at large.

Calm the **** down, champ. Some are happy, most are just a little puzzled, and maybe like 2 people are actually genuinely annoyed by the decision (and exactly zero people are apeshit angry about it).

In want Bray to get a shot.

I wish some team would put my ass on the NFI list.

We could just go to camp, launch a football that flutters about 25 yards, then turn to the coach and insist that we were throwing 60 yard rockets yesterday and slept on it wrong.

It was clearly a non-football injury that led to my staggering lack of talent. Now please, pay me 500K.

I love this plan, I'm excited to be a part of it! Let's do it!

Sounds like a plan. Oops I overslept. I'll be good the rest of the year I promise.

none of you are allowed back on the Bray train. Your passes were revoked a month ago when you all jumped off for Aaron Murray and completely wrote Bray off. False Bray supporters shall not be acknowledged.

WHY?...

there's only 1 reason NOT to do this, if they are too cheap to pay his $500k this year. otherwise, he's safe on the NFI list for a few weeks, nothing future guaranteed, either cash or cap, so why not? (edit: with him injured, we are on the hook for something as an injury settlement anyway)

i see this as one of two ways - 1) they still believe he has solid potential, combined with chase daniel contract expiring, we are looking at murray and bray to compete for 2/3 spots next year, not a bad thing there, or 2) they sense somebody is sniffing around on bray, and don't want to release him. this locks him up even just short term at a minimum, so if somebody truly wants him to develop on their own, they gotta throw us a bone.

I like that we have Bray and Murray developing. What a horrendous situation to be in...

Only shitty teams draft and develop QBs... /Carl and Pioli

I just don't see any reason, at all, for this...

There is that very slight chance that the front office knows something you don't...

Bray's got talent, the question is, can Andy Reid develop him?

Do you need one?

Look at it this way - we're not extending Daniel next year, right? And Murray's almost certainly our #2 next year, yes? So some how, some way, we'll be looking for a #3 QB next season.

Do you think the odds of us drafting one in the first 2 or 3 rounds are good? Okay, lets say they are and we do - done and done. Bray has no guaranteed money, we cut him and move along with Smith, Murray and our new QBOTF.

Personally I think those odds are pretty long, so let's assume we're drafting one in the 4th or later. That guy will be the same lotto ticket that Bray is, he almost certainly has less raw talent and he's going to be a little more expensive because you don't get the cap discount that comes with the more veteran players.

SOMEBODY is going to be the #3 quarterback next year so it can't be a cap/money issue. And if they get someone they like MORE than Bray, they'll cut Bray with no risk to anybody so it can't even be a roster space/talent issue.

It's a really smart, forward thinking move with absolutely no downside. The upshot is that Bray develops like people insisted he would a mere 5 months before he was a UDFA and we get to keep him for that. I just don't see what the fuss here could possibly be.

Even if he only becomes a serviceable backup, this is a good move IMO. Hopefully he has showed this regime that he has some potential, even if it's not to be our qbotf. A serviceable backup is still a good thing, especially as an udfa.

He has all the physical tools. He just needs refinement. Worst case he doesn't work out and counts like 0.5% to the cap.

Best case we show him off and get a draft pick for him from some desparate team. That's not likely to happen though

Reid lauded him as the most improved player on the team last season.

Pretty sure they like him. Didn't think it was a secret.

It's not like we resigned Terrell Pryor.

Reid and Dorsey know what there doing. That's why they get paid the big bucks

You need a better imagination.

When your 'best case scenario' for a 6'6'' quarterback with a cannon of an arm is that we flip him for a pick, then you've really been beaten into submission by decades of Chiefs fandome.

Where did the KC Wolf touch you, RKC?

Can someone post that LaCanfora tweet from TC where he said something about really liking Bray. I can't do it from my phone. Anyone know what tweet I'm talking about? I think it mentioned the Chiefs being a team to watch for in trading QB....

Tyler Brays arm strength is double Jeff George's and Elway's put together. He could throw one of Tom Brady's deflated footballs through a mountain.

You just don't let guys like that go.

Jaye Howard is under contract through the 2016 season. He has two years left.

For what the Chiefs could or should reasonably offer him at this point in his career, that makes no sense for Howard to accept that kind of deal or extension. He himself knows that he's better off at least waiting until later in the season when he's further shown the large strides he's made as a player and the Chiefs raise that contract number significantly. And even if the Chiefs would offer him that amount in the extension, not all players are Allen Bailey who will take security over the potential for ultra big bucks. And honestly, why would he? When Poe comes back, he's going to be on the field a bunch, but he probably won't be starting.

The Chiefs have time to either plan for his replacement or wait and see what his height is. It's highly unlikely they've got a JJ Watt on their hands, so I don't see them missing out on landing a great deal for an incredible player.

Daniel will likely be gone next season. I'm not sure what the drama is about concerning Bray...He'll have a few years in Reid's system. Makes sense to keep him around and see where he's at. KC will need 3 QBs....they've been able to develop him without taking a roster spot.

If he sucks...so what. This seems more like a contingency plan than anything.

Funniest line I've read on here in some time. LMAO.

Who the **** wrote this for you? :evil:

of course there is reason ... IF .... Bray sucks there is a reason.

Apparently he doesn't, which is the point being made around here.

A team doesn't extend an injured guy
A team doesn't extend a guy 4th on the depth chart
A team doesn't extend a guy who hasn't done a single ****ing thing on an NFL field


Unless the team really thinks there is something to the player.

Which is a good thing.

Everyone is just not used to good things about QB's in the Chief Kingdom.

It's funny watching you guys laugh at these signings over and over and then say how smart if was 2 years later. It's happened before and it'll continue to happen is my guess. This front office has proven it knows what it's doing. Hard to believe out of 1 arrowhead drive, but here we are.

According to overthecap and sportrac he isn't under contract in 2016. I totally get the rest of what you're saying though. It does take 2 to tango. But he has been a complete animal against the run and he can play both nose and end and that is very valuable. I don't see what it would hurt to at least start neegotiating.

Howard was drafted in 2012, making 2015 his final contract year (4 years).

He'll be a free agent unless the Chiefs extend or re-sign him.

Personally, I think it needs to get done. Bailey, Poe & Howard for the next four years would be awesome.

Spotrac also has him at UFA after this season.

I don't know why that wouldn't be the case. He was a waiver claim, yes? So they'd get him with his entry level deal. As a 4th round pick in 2012, 2015 would seem to be his last year under that contract.

They have some dry powder if they want to keep him but they need to do it sooner rather than later, IMO. The closer he gets to FA, the more likely he is to want to test it. Every game he plays healthy will be one more hurdle he clears and if he plays well at all, the price will only go up.

Like SNR said, there's probably not a deal that makes sense for both sides here. If I'm him, I'd want a fair amount to give up free agency. And if I'm the Chiefs, I've not seen enough to give him that.

It's probably best to just let him play his ass off in his FA season and then see what the market holds. I just don't see a good point of intersection for the two parties here.

Whose leg is Bray humping? I wish I could get someone to hire me to sit on my ass for 1/2 a mill a year. Hell I'd take half that

I'd offer him the same exact deal as Bailey: 5 years, $25 million.

Bailey got 4/$25 million that likely ends up being 3/$19 million when all is said and done. If you're Howard, you might take that, but given the relative lack of quality young veterans (especially on the interior line), you may also want to take your chances in the market.

Now, let's assume that Howard would take Bailey's deal - would you even offer it? I don't know that I would. I've liked what I've seen from him, but he's also a guy that was just a 4th rounder and he's had some pretty significant injuries in his past.

Honestly, with the money we already have/will have tied up in our front 7, I think Howard's a luxury item at that price. I don't think the Chiefs can offer him Bailey's deal, nor do I think he'd be eager to jump at it.

It was 4/$25. The extension kicked in this year (they didn't do anything with his base salary for last year).

You still want to give him that? It's not an insignificant sum and I don't see him as a cornerstone player by any means. He's exactly the kind of guy that you should be looking to find on the cheap in the draft.

What do you guys think of offering Howard the exact contract Bailey got? I know Howard spoke out last year about how he really respected the Chiefs paying Bailey and he was busting his tail to get a big pay day like that. That seems like a fair offer to me. I think Howard will end up being the best run stuffing 3-4 end in the league, and the arrow is going up and so is his value. But maybe I think more highly of him then most. If I were Howard I'd probably bet on myself though.

3 years, $15 mil would be nice. Or 4 years, $25 mil where we all know the last year won't happen.

Damn I typed that out before I read what you guys wrote. I think we're thinking the same here lol.

Yeah, I think that 4/25 is fair for a guy with his size, explosion, knowledge of the system and versatility has to offer.

$6 million a year is more than a fair deal, IMO.

Fair enough.

Here's my concern - yes, two years is a long ways away, but let's look at the front 7 in 2017 at that point. Houston's sporting a $20 million cap hit, Bailey will be at 6, if Howard has Bailey's contract he'll be at 5, Poe's 5th year player option will likely be around $9. Forunately Dee Ford will be cheap, but he'll still be at 3. Derrick Johnson is probably finishing up his career in the 4-5 range.

We're talking about a $50 million front 7. And yeah, that's an approach to take, but boy that puts a strain on resources.

I think either way is defensible, but like I said, I'm not entirely convinced that Howard would even take Bailey's deal. Then again, that $10 million check would be awfully awfully convincing...

I dunno. Fortunately I really trust this front office so if they go that route, I'll trust that they see something in Howard that I haven't quite seen.

if Howard bets on himself he will cash in on the open market, the defensive line version of Rodney Hudson basically.

The cap is currently $143 million. It's supposed to take a big jump next year with numbers as high as $163 million. But let's just say it continues to rise just $10 million per year over the course of the next three seasons.

By 2018, the third year of a deal for Howard, the cap would be $173 million.

Having $6 million of that tied up in a good DT/DE would be peanuts.

I'm not sorting through a billion pages of people arguing, but did anyone even notice the fact that there are zero guarantees included in the contract.

If that's right, it seems they could cut him tomorrow and owe him nothing.

Yeah, but the cap will probably be what.. $160 million? Our defensive back field should remain cheap with how young they are.

I don't think that 32% of the cap is so bad for 64% of our defense. We will likely get our defense under 50% of the cap, unless we sign Sean Smith to a deal.

It's been pointed out several times, yes.

Don't sort - read.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wonder is someone like Arthur Brown would make sense as depth lb for chiefs as well. Chiefs deep at qb too. Like Bray a lot...</p>&mdash; Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/628666041833361408">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Huh, I be damned . They must really really like Bray to Bro-Down like this.

I'm surprised people think he'll seek Allen Bailey money. Hudson knew he had several years of starting experience. Even though Howard played well last year he's still an unknown. If I'm the chiefs I lock him up asap and I'm sure they can lock him in much cheaper than Bailey.

Heard Raiders might cut Sio Moore.

Pretty sure the writing is on the wall for chase and I'm good with that. He won't be a chief next year and I wouldn't be surprised if the chiefs keep listening to offers for a trade. There's no other reason to keep bray around.

Thanks man. Wonder if it's LaCanfora that likes Bray or if he got the vibe or was told by the coaches that they like Bray...?

They just extend a QB that's 4th on their depth chart. Pretty good indication that the Chiefs like him quite a bit, at least as a prospect.

When this was originally posted i assumed he meant the Chiefs like Bray a lot. Hard for LaCanfora to like a player that he didn't see play.

The contract extension confirms it.

Bray must be killing it with his work ethic and film study.

Like I said, Bray will either be great or out of the league within 4 years. No in between with him because of his arm talent

This is great news.

That's a good point... That was an airhead question on my part. :D

Why are you so awesome?

He had a LONG way to go when we drafted him...today's signing shows that they still see a possible future with the kid.

I've been to camp more than 10 times and Bray easily has the best arm and deep accuracy of any quarterback I've seen us have. He has an absolute cannon that you have to see to believe.

If they can get the guy to understand coverages and to take what the defense gives you, while keeping that monster deep ball in his arsenal...who knows, we might have something.

Yeah?

So why does Scott Pioki get paid the big bucks?

I admit I am surprised by this development.

You know what would be sweet?

If Bray ends up having the goods and


Wait for it......






Trade Alex Smith for a second rounder like Andy did when McNabb was done.

I hear he's not very nice tho

Why not, no downside

Like Detoxing said, Bray must be really impressing the coaching staff when Tyler's breaking down film.

If he at least gets the bare minimum of the scheme which includes understanding the finer points of reads and decision making ( pure gunslinger) similar to Favre then he'll be a star in this league.

What does "having the goods" mean?

The ability to run the offense and complete passes down the stretch that the other two candidates struggle with, on a consistent basis.

Being well-rounded in the passing game.

Being a threat as opposed to an easily quantifiable set of calculations.

large penis

And that.

Oh my God, that would be so cool.

It would be justice for decades of garbage.

I think I would like the guy, too. He comes off as a jackass in interviews, but a likable jackass... Reminds me of the dudes I used to party with in college.

Your QB, if he is a champion, MUST HAVE some douche. It is an absolute perquisite.