Me too.

I did it for Chiefs fans, though. All Chiefs fans. My stink has made them terrible players.

I said that earlier, but now I retract it.

Manning would retire, Luck would leave, and guess where he'd end up.

Yeah. **** that with AIDS.

100% agree.


Elway had to force a lot of throws, because just like Luck, the rest of his team was mediocre.

the offensive line for the Colts may, MAY very well be the issue

Just hilarious, HILARIOUS, to hear Chiefs fans giving a QB a pass because of the OL

typical CP

the absolute best stat to look at to determine how good an NFL QB is in 2015 is using QBR. Plain and simple. It just is. And if you go look at the yearly top QBR since it's induction in 2006, it ALMOST ALWAYS makes sense.

Ugh. I'd be done with the NFL if that happened.

I see a lot of Chiefs fans who stress the importance of the offensive line for the QB no matter who it is-- Cassel, Smith, Manning, or Luck. That's what's going on here.

I agree that an awful offensive line will take away from the QB's ability to execute and perform well. I haven't been watching any Colts games, so I have no idea how bad Andy Luck's line is, but something tells me it's no worse than the line the Chiefs had last year and still beat some pretty good defenses and teams.

I would guess this is more about Luck going through a slump than it is about his offensive line, but again, not having seen any Colts games this year, I can't act like my opinion has any weight on this issue.

Still, though. **** Andrew Luck.

I think it would be the worst thing to happen because you know where he will probably go? Denver

Elway = Horseface

Luck = Gopherface

**** that situation. I guess I'll take Luck on the Colts. Maybe Irsay will go on a huge bender and keep Grigson around for several more years. That'd be wonderful.

Colts going to piss Luck off, Manning retires and the Donks get Luck. That would be Chiefs luck right there.

omg shut up

Luck is going to be a Colt for at least the next decade

He's an UFA in 2017.

*gulp*

Luck to Denver will never happen. They will give him $130 million reasons to stay..that or the franchise tag x2

I guess this was the same board that thought the Hawks were going to actually trade Wilson

and the same board that wouldn't have traded 2 first round picks for Wilson

so yeah

par for course

Lmao.

Well that kinda was my hidden agenda. The Chiefs just played two teams with ridiculous front sevens. Not surprising that the offense struggled. But no one will point out the obvious for fear of making excuses.

Pretty sure Frank Gore fumbled on the one yard line and Luck was constantly scrambling out of the pocket because his offensive line is a patchwork mess. But that's all on Luck. The acquisitions of Frank Gore and Andre Johnson, both of whom haven't done shit and are past their prime, guess that's on Luck too. Chuck needs to watch what he says to the media or he'll be looking for a job pretty soon.

That's going to happen anyway. I like Pagano until this. Now he can go **** himself.

Oh yeah, in addition to Luck and CJ Anderson I have Gore as well. My FF season is already over.

Indy can eat shit and die.


I hope he signs a 150 million contract with them, and blows out every ligament in his legs during the biggest cap hit year.

They've done that for smith 3 years running

Good...GOOD
 

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If they don't want him, he'd look good in red. Make it happen Dorsey

A good question would be if the colts miss the playoffs, How much money will the colts be willing to pay luck for a mediocre season.

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Just how bad the colts have been at drafting Defense

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What are the chances Irsay got tanked last night on pills and booze?

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Maybe when the Axe fall's it misses pag and goes right for Griggs

200%

Some coaches and peoples don't need that tired, stale fallback.

Refreshing.

This is satire right?

Look bro. There are literally 3maybe 4 qbs in the league who can not only survive, but thrive with shit olines.

Their names are Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, and Luck. But what happened to luck last night, he should sue his offensive line for assault and Battery.

FYP

Just because it's tired and stale, doesn't make it less true. Offensive line is the single most important position group of any football team. Always has been, always will be.

As much of a hard on that you have to draft your QBOTF, you better hope that the offensive line gels before he gets under center, or it won't matter how good he is. It simply won't matter - he'll bust.

This. In business the matra is "location, location, location". In football, it's "oline, oline, oline".

I'd call em up and offer Alex Smith, Marcus Peters and Justin Houston right now.

Or Alex and 2 firsts and 2 seconds.

Peters, Berry, Alex and a first.


Also....before the draft, Luck was on Dan Patrick and Dan asked him if AL would rather have another receiver or a linemen...he quickly said he preferred a linemen.

They drafted Dorsett.

Hootie is wrong once again. When Brady's line was awful the team got off to a very slow start including an ass kicking at Arrowhead. Your Andrew Luck hate is idiotic.

At least you aren't afraid to express your stupidity openly.

Reid is frustrating as **** but he has a really good record as a HC and overall is better than most in the NFL. It just is what it is.

Pagano will be unemployed before the season is over and he isn't getting another HC job soon or maybe ever.

LMAO I have to agree.

Colts go 1-15 in 2020, draft the next great franchise QB at 1.1

Anyway there dumbass GM would take 3 first rounders for Luck? He did trade a first for Richardson

But never for Russell Wilson or Peyton Manning

lmao

and after the ass kicking at Arrowhead that line just suddenly got better and they magically won a super bowl

I have zero Andrew Luck hatred whatsoever. Zero.

I'm just not someone who hands out any QB an excuse for playing terribly. Maybe Peyton Manning but ONLY because this board just eviscerates Manning and Romo at every corner for any bad game or any bad throw while constantly giving guys like Luck and Brady every pass imaginable like they can do no wrong.

and hell, this board has turned me into a Brady apologist at this point, too.

Andrew Luck is not an elite QB and has never been an elite QB up to this point in his NFL career.

He has not carried that team to anything other than OBVIOUS division championships over the worst division in the NFL.

The crowning of Andrew Luck is ridiculous. Last year the entire board just took a giant shit on Russell Wilson in the NFCCG thread for playing terrible football and no one said a damn word about Luck playing even worse in the AFCCG that night.

Andrew Luck has been nothing more than Philip Rivers good (at best) to this point of his career.

He doesn't deserve any excuses for how lousy he played last night. If that was Romo, he would have been KILLED. Instead? Stupid Pagano! OMG GM, get him in a line!?!??!?!!??! WTF!

he gets every excuse imaginable for playing garbage football ... that doesn't mean I hate him, it just means, unlike this board, I'm realistic

the highest QBR Luck had in December 2014 was 39

39.

They went 3-1

the notion Andrew Luck has carried that team is hilarious. The TRUTH is ... Andrew Luck is the best QB in the worst division in football and has won because that's what usually happens ...

Andrew Luck
Blake Bortles
Ryan Mallet
Marcus Mariota

Andew Luck
Blake Bortles
whoever Houston played at QB last year
whoever Tennessee played at QB last year

GEE, I CAN'T BELIEVE ANDREW LUCK IS WINNING DIVISIONS AND FINDING POSTSEASON SUCCESS WITH A GUARANTEED HOME GAME EVERY POSTSEASON!? TRULY ODD!

After that game they switched the line around and it played better.

I do love how Andrew Luck, from the usual suspects, gets every excuse while ignoring everything else from the usual suspects on this board

"Alex Smith won 11 games in 2013 after the Chiefs won 2 the year before!"

THE SCHEDULE WAS TOO EASY! ANYONE COULD'VE DONE THAT!

(ignores the fact that's exactly how it has been for Andrew Luck his entire career)

"Alex Smith can't do well because his line is garbage!"

OMG YOU'RE A MORON QB'S MAKE THEIR LINES BETTER -- IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR OTHER ELITE QB'S!

(Andrew Luck suddenly can't succeed because his line isn't good enough)

Doesn't Andrew Luck have more playoff wins than the Chiefs do the last 40 years?

oh. ok.

I guess Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL. They just need to switch their line around and he'll finally start playing like an elite QB rather than a faster Matt Stafford.

thanks for clarification

is this supposed to mean anything?

so does Mark Sanchez

omg breaking news

so does T.J. Yates

oh wait

it's chiefsplanet

suddenly we're crediting QB's 100% of the credit for every playoff win again

because you know that makes a lot of sense

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2014/stats/expanded

Luck 13th ... despite winning a division (shit division) and throwing for 40 TD's

this is the NFL equivalent to bWAR

it works ... and it's accurate

Luck is not an elite NFL QB [yet] and has never shown to be. Time to stop making excuses for the guy. It's his 4th year.

The Colts do play in a poor division. They still defeated the AFC West champ and the AFC North 2nd place team in the playoffs. I'd like to know which part of this great team is carrying Luck.

Their leading rusher last year was Trent Richardson.

Trent Richardson.

Trent.

Richardson.

He's not even in the league anymore. Was is it his 3.3 ypc average that carried Luck to victory? He definitely took a lot of pressure off the passing game. I really don't know why they even attempted to pass the ball. Their 2nd leading WR was Reggie Wayne, who is no longer in the NFL. Or was it their elite 19th ranked defense that gave up 30+ to the Broncos, 40+ to the Cowboys, 40+ to the Patriots twice and 50+ against the Steelers? Luck was very fortunate they were able to stifle every elite offense they faced.

Luck has really been fortunate to walk into such a legendary group of talent. I'd imagine most young QBs would have won 2 or 3 Super Bowls by now. He's really been a failure in this league when you consider the facts.

the Colts went 3-1 in December last year and Luck played 4 garbage football games

how exactly did they win those games if Luck is the only guy on their team?

He's not. You've clearly won this argument.

Seattle could save a lot of money if they'd cut Lynch and their defense. If Wilson or Brady or Manning could play with Trent Richardson and Boom Herron in the backfield, and a defense that literally gave up 30+ to almost every good offense they faced, those other guys would probably go undefeated. Luck only won 11 games and a couple playoff games with that group. He's practically Cassel with the 08 Patriots.

are you saying that Boom Herron and Ahmad Bradshaw didn't play good RB for the Colts last year?

I'm sorry that I'm not giving Andrew Luck a pass for playing on a "garbage" team when his "garbage" team shared a division with Tennessee, Houston and Jacksonville.

I'm pretty sure Buffalo, Miami, NYJ, KC, San Diego, Baltimore, Cincy and Pitt would have all won that division if they were fortunate enough to switch places with Indy.

but hey, it sure is impressive that Luck could drag Trent Richardson to the playoffs beating up on Ryan Mettenberger Fitzpatrick Bortles ... as the Colts constantly used T-Rich as their #2 back ... but way to prop him up to make your argument look better

did you even watch the Colts last year?

Oh I forgot Zurlon Tipton. That guy got some carries in the playoffs too. Honestly I'd cut Charles in the offseason just so we can give Zurlon Tipton some carries. Herron/Tipton was basically Word/Okoye last year.

Herron was actually quite good with Indy last year ... but I'm glad this has turned into propping up Luck because he has no name RB's. What? Cool. You know, Arian Foster was once a no name RB.

I care 0% about NFL RB's. It's not a running league. The Patriots hired Dion Lewis away from the Sonic drive thru and he looks like Marshall Faulk.

Bradshaw did play well, but he didn't even lead the team in carries. He got 90 carries on the season. And how many playoff carries did he get?

Zero.

So now you're arguing that Bradshaw helped carry Luck with his 90 regular season carries, and also in the playoffs when he didn't get a single carry. I totally agree. Reid should probably cut Charles workload down so he gets 90 carries, and Davis gets the rest.

Gotcha.

Man!

Let's talk about Russell Wilson's leading Super Bowl receiver ... a guy inactive all year long ... and didn't make his first catch until the Super Bowl.

Holy shit! I wonder what he could have done with T.Y. Hilton, Reggie Wayne, Donte Moncrief, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen!??!?!

!!!!!!

Two can play this idiotic game.

Chris ****ing Mathews.

Can't help but agree that Russell Wilson is a smarter and more efficient QB. People on here making excuses for Luck that he has no receivers and no o-line should look at what the Seahawks have given Wilson. Wilson has simply done that much better with less around him (granted, he does have a much better defense).

I've always said you don't need great WRs or CBs to win a Super Bowl. I've said that from the beginning of time. I don't know what argument you think you're winning. I wasn't too hot on resigning Bowe, Carr, or Flowers. And I probably won't be too hot on re-signing Peters. Good teams can draft those positions, even in the lower rounds.

So now we've circled the the entire argument. Luck isn't carrying his team because a QB isn't as important as the entire team, but the RB, WR and defense doesn't matter. So, that leaves...

You give Luck a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens.

Honestly, give Alex Smith a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens. The Chiefs would probably get the #1 seed.

I definitely think Luck carries the Colts. I think Wilson carries the hawks, Romo carries the cowboys and Brady carries the pats, too. I'm just scoffing at the notion of Luck being dealt some rough hand when he has played in the weakest division in NFL history during his time in Indy

Well said.

And if this turns into a "lynch and Seattle's defense carries Seattle" argument I bow out before it starts ... I'm just done arguing about that. In fact, I'm done either way.

Gore had a solid season last year. It's the line that is making him look bad, let's be real. Andre Johnson tho I've worried for years that he would go out and break and his hip, he looked really tired out there this week.

But what I'm saying is that Luck has had great receivers and a quality O-line and his efficiency still lags behind Wilson who has struggled to find quality receivers with the instability of Harvin, the departure of Tate, and shoddy tight ends.

And you consider he is practically undefeated in his division and barely .500 against the rest of the AFC, makes you question how 'elite' he is when he is playing against shit defenses so far in his career. Well except for the last two games and in the playoffs in the past, his true form shows. Pagano is spot on to say that Luck needs to stop turning over the ball in competitive games.

It's definately nice to be in that division. Luck definately has a bad Oline and they didn't do the best job assembling the team around him, but a great QB will carry that heap of shit. I'm sure when it's all said and done he will.

:facepalm:

Please remain a dumbass Chiefs fan, even after Alex is long gone. You fit in to the Stepford program nicely.

Saw an interesting stat in an article I read about the Colts' woes:

Andrew Luck's BEST QB rating (or QBR, whichever) for a year thus far in his career isn't as good as Manning's WORST.

Wanna know how I know you're a dumbass?

I think I saw during the Monday night game a stat that said Luck has turned the ball over 28 times in 2014 and current 2015.
21 interceptions and 7 fumbles.

Luck has been a turnover machine.

I will say this, the Colts better figure it out soon. They play the Patriots in 4 weeks. They already have a tough time with them. After Deflategate, Belichick will probably try and score 100 on them.

Fixed. Have you seen the Colts D?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...icism-of-luck/

Pagano takes it all back

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/i...-glazer-091815

Player's and other coaches seem to be putting the blame on Griggs

Luck really just looks like a rich mans Sexy Rexy. **** it I'm goin deep.

Kurt Cousins so far is outplaying all the diva quarterbacks in that draft.

Andrew Luck is a diva now?

Just once I would love Reid to do this to Alex...really hold that pussy accountable in front of the world...but we just keep schlepping along.

Dude probably thinks he is untouchable, especially since he makes more money than Andrew Luck...yeah let that sink in. Alex Smith...makes more money...than Andrew Luck.