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Would drafting a QB in the first round renew your excitement for the Chiefs?
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=295641)
Ryan Mallett just got released. Would he count?
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Are you sure we don't have the same family members? |
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Would it renew my excitement? No. But it sure would go a lot further in renewing my excitement than another lame, no heart fat body they would rather draft.
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Play along for the moment. After another disappointing loss in London, the brain trust at 1 Arrowhead becomes as smart as some of the members of CP. They concede the season is lost, bench Smith, and Murray takes the starters job. Lo and behold, the Chiefs go 6-2, Murray throws for 18 or more TDs, averages 350 yards per game and the team finishes 8-8. Are we still in the market for a 1st round QB? Did we just screw up our draft position (the horror!!)? Are the villagers still lighting torches?
My contention is we need to see now what we have in-house before we pin the 2016 and beyond seasons on the unknown talent of a college player. |
It would depend solely on how well Murray played.
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This year is not 2013. Draft a QB |
No general proposition of a hypothetical draft by position is going to alter my enthusiasm.
It depends entirely on the specific player and his pedigree/potential. This question seems a little to me like asking a Kansas Citian, would you be happier with some place to live in Atlanta? I mean there are regional benefits to each, but the actual house and neighborhood you live in in each respective location is a more important consideration. |
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We absolutely need to play Murray in at least 3 games. He was awesome at Georgia and he looked pretty good in preseason.
Andy probably won't do it though |
If we lose to the Lions.....then Smith needs to sit for the rest of the year. We aren't winning the last 8 games of the season to make the playoffs.
Too bad this is all just a pipe dream. We'll beat the Lions and give this worthless FO hope that we're on the right track. Then it's on to 4-5 wins and not knowing what we have in Murray or anybody else. |
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That logic really doesn't make sense when you aren't trying to improve the team with the most important position on the field... Yes Murray needs to play, its without question... Reid needs to go, it without question... |
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http://i65.tinypic.com/4r6yxh.png If Smith starts struggling again, and we become mathematically eliminated for the playoffs then I'd love to see it. But we all know it's going to take a small miracle for Murray to get a chance. |
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Dallas fans are the dumbest by total numbers of idiots, but I'm beginning to think KC has the bigger percentage.
"Hey, the same six teams make the playoffs every year and half of those six drafted a QB in the first round. Maybe the Chiefs should do that...? Nah. That's too risky. Better call up New England and see if Garoppolo can be had for a couple of 2nd rounders." |
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I am going to use full true fan logic when it comes to Fisher. He wasn't or isn't a cant miss prospect, he isn't an Orlando Pace or Willie Roaf. Therefore I'm just not "sold" on him as being 1st round material. We should draft a less risky player or trade down. And looking back he still isn't the BPA from that draft... |
Bullshit on Fisher being BPA. He was a project that had a supposed higher ceiling due to his athleticism, not because of anything he demonstrated playing in the MAC.
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Grandpa. :D |
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I wish Murray would get the start way before Chase Daniel but I know he wont. I want Murray to compete for the starting job with a first round draft pick quarterback and let them battle it out that way it's not just given to the rooky and Murray can get some seasoning this year. You absolutely can not get too much experience in the NFL so let him start now would be nice. Even if Murray is back up to our draft pick he can add value to the position. I do think they need an open competition for the job not just give it to anyone. Do what is opposite of what Chiefs do. |
Drafting a QB in the first round and giving him a legit chance to be the guy is certainly one of my criteria for ever getting tickets again.
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Or ever setting foot in a sports bar again. |
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This is the kind of post that sets us back 30+ years of reaching the goal of Winning a Super Bowl. You can have both Murray and first round QB draft pick prospect duke it out in preseason and make them earn the job & have two quality quarterbacks for the sake of having better quarterbacks and backups than we have had in 40 ****ing years. This isn't rocket science it's about developing and make them accountable for their play. Chiefs have always just given the job to a vet quarterback and then the back up is a vet and the young quarterbacks don't get the field like Murray. We would be stuck with retread backup like Chase Daniel if something happened to Murray. I want to see Murray given a shot but not give him the starting job unless he can beat out a top prospect from the draft. Then we could have trade bait if we hit a home run with either of them. You wouldn't be wasting any ones time letting the first rounder QB get some time behind Murray because make him hungry for the job. I tell ya we can do something in 2017 draft with trade options. But really we need draft first round draft pick quarterback to make me happy and I'd have two quarterbacks on the Chiefs to root for. Better your odds by drafting a high rounder with a prospect like Murray and and the end of preseason have to decide who to start would be a good problem to have. |
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You're either accepting of gambling on lesser talent because you think the position is so ****ing important, or you're accepting of the scouts making determinations on who is the best player available squad wide. I've never said 'a high value QB is always too risky' can you say you've never said 'the QB position is important enough to take a leap even if better players are on the board.' |
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Reid isn't just bad at play-calling he's as bad as Herm at making in-game decisions. And this isn't even getting into his hand in the "talent" we've added here... |
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Daniel seems like a solid b/u. I don't see him as more than that. I like the upside of murray for what he is - a 5th round pick. I don't look at him as the future of the franchise. I think he's got the potential to be a solid b/u. Perhaps we get lucky and get more but I wouldn't expect it. Bray was like getting a lottery ticket for your birthday... |
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If every employee from a particular college is a washout, I don't pressure the college to get better students, I recruit from a different college. |
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No OL is more important than QB and you can never justify drafting one over a QB when your franchise has neglected the position for decades. That dog wont hunt. |
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Wait on a "sure thing" like Luck or RGIII? The position has not been addressed. It has NEVER been addressed under this regime. We have one broke-dick, one back up, one maybe, and one body. That is not a legitimate roster. |
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I don't understand why Reid hand picked Smith and thought he was "perfect" for Reid's offense. I couldn't disagree more. On top of the offense not playing to his strengths we allowed the talent around him to erode. Reid/Dorsey built this team like they expected to be here 10 years. We kept hearing about how our draft picks were projects, or would take a while to develop, all while ignoring huge needs in the present. Part of me thinks Dorsey deserves 1 more year and part of me doesn't see the point if we're going with a new HC/direction anyway... |
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Holy shit; are people REALLY going to use "the coach is bad so don't draft a QB" as a ****ing excuse?
Look, I know the bar for fan stupidity with this franchise reaches exciting new heights every season, but I did not expect new baselines to be established at CP of all places. |
Drafting a QB in round one for the sake of drafting a QB means shit to me as well as drafting a God Damn turd.
Strike when the iron is hot. It's still a risky proposition. |
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It was the right choice. We got a solid starting LT, which is arguably the second most important position on the field. With your plan we'd have nothing but a bust QB. 2013 wasn't the year to draft a QB. |
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I'm excited that there is actually some "buzz" going on about the Chiefs taking interest in some of these top recruits. I'm not used to it.
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Question: Did Chase Daniel improve from last season? |
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Tick tock, as Baby Lee furiously searches stats! |
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If you want an answer, the only one I can offer is 'I hope so, as I hope for every single player on the team, every week of the season.' Can you say the same? You know you can't. The only thing you can muster the mental energy to hope for is 'I don't know, something different?' |
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It's not the round, it's the player. I think the entire fan base would flip out if we got a legit stud at QB in the draft whatever the round. |
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If the Chiefs do not take a QB in round 1 or 2, then they are without a doubt the horrible and inept franchise we have long believed them to be. |
Drafting a first round QB would be interesting but the Chiefs need to win a playoff game. Unfortunately, I think that the Raiders, Chargers and Broncos will all win another playoff game before the Chiefs do.
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Again I ask: Did Chase Daniel improve his play, mechanics, and ability from last season to this year's preseason? |
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By your standard, Alex Smith's practice performances should have him on the team until he retires. It's the NFL, regular season and playoff performance is the sole yardstick. The rest is faith in the process and staff. For that matter, you're not even stopping with your hypotheses regarding the development of Daniel speak for itself. You're trying to extrapolate your hunches about said development into a new thesis on Reid's coaching ability. A hunch built on hunches, which is fine in it's own right. But not when you state that all other hunches or hopes are dispelled because they're not showing up on the field on Sundays. |
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Chase Daniel took another step forward under the developmental staff you find yourself so wary of. The staff is fine. What is not fine, is the shit bag QB roster and the Head Coach who Herm's his way to victories over 3rd string shit bag QB's. It's time for a QB. And a new play caller wouldn't hurt either. |
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This team needs more than a QB. Chase Daniel has maintained his level of play for about 4 or 5 years now. I watched him play preseason games with the Saints just as I did with the Chiefs. What would "renew" my interest level is playing someone young and giving them a shot no matter what round they were drafted in.
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And obtuse. |
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You think people don't notice but they do. You never defend an opinion. You just state yours, and insist everyone who disagrees is stupid. You don't even have the capacity to explain an opinion, let alone defend it. |
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Were you in debate club? Because you absolutely love circular arguments. |
How about we draft the QB who is the most competitive and works the hardest in the film room + has talent?
If you think about it, it is the hardest workers who have the most success at the NFL level. Talent only gets you so far. (Mallett) Heart gets you championships. (Brady) Not that Tom Brady's grow on trees, but we need a fiery guy who brings a winning mindset to the rest of the guys around him. |
God dammit there are some pussy fans on cp. Jesus Christ "to risky" "he will get killed because no line". "We won't be in a good pick". Pussies draft a ****ing qb, play shitty Smith next year, draft a bad ads wr and let's go.
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If they draft a QB there's no reason they can't fix the line for him next year. 34M in cap space, and 6 other draft picks say so.
Even though we need to extend Berry, Howard, and possibly Jeff Allen if this play keeps up. DJ, Hali, and the rest are question marks. |
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That's the point and reason toooo draft a first round quarterback because what the Chiefs have done for ****ing ever has not worked. <a href="http://s1260.photobucket.com/user/KCTattoo58/media/HOLY_SHIT_BALLS-s252x189-97026-1020_zpsqpurht6x.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii574/KCTattoo58/HOLY_SHIT_BALLS-s252x189-97026-1020_zpsqpurht6x.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo HOLY_SHIT_BALLS-s252x189-97026-1020_zpsqpurht6x.jpg"/></a> |
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with this coaching staff **** NO
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Daniel put up Smith like numbers in his 2 starts
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i think that drafting a qb first round is a mistake next draft. the college game has game has changed so much that there are so few qb 's worthy of a first draft pick.
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QB driven league, how many times does that need to
Be ****ing hammered into your brain |
has there been a qb in the last 5 years worthy of a trade picks to get him? i want the chiefs to draft a qb of the future i don't think the qb model that wins in the ncaa today transfers to the nfl. if the chiefs give picks for a qb, as the op suggests, that will be a seat filler. not to win but keep the butts in the seats.
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