We have young athletic guys at CB. I think Andy kept DAT for depth. We lost all of our athletic WR's by the Pats game and were left with Avant and Hammond.

Have to believe that Dorsey still thinks there's market for either Davis or Thomas.

At the end of the day, though, other issues notwithstanding, I'd rather see DAT on the field than Wilson.

Wilson is garbage.

I know.

I'm shocked tbh.

Maybe they're sold on Gaines, Nelson and White? And figured Russell won't be as good as those guys?

At least Davis suits up and contributes. Thomas was a healthy scratch ... again.

Yeah I did.

I saw him bat down a pass at the los. I thought it was a good play by him.

DAT and Tyreek are going to be useful in our game with Pitt who is notoriously bad at defending the screens and slants

That was my first thought.

Gave up on this guy quick so something went horribly wrong. :(

Yes, this. There had to be some huge character blowup behind the scenes... whether it was some illegal issue unrelated to the Chiefs FO/coaching, or otherwise.

:eek:

Well, I guess the "litmus" will be as to how long he goes unclaimed. If he goes to another team and is a solid contributor a month from now we can say Dorsey screwed the pooch here.

We're going to see more and more of this moving forward, as the Chiefs will have more draft picks than spots available due to the quality of the roster.

I had already forgotten about Hogan

Remember the last preseason game when Russell defended a pass and looked pretty good?
Something happened after that game.
Drugs, domestic violence, major injury? Something had to have happened

DANE I'M SORRY I DOUBTED YOU!

PLEASE TAKE ME BACK!

If Dorsey was a bigger pimp, he'd dress like Huggy Bear on the sidelines.

Personally, I find this to be fantastic news. Dorsey isn't going to wait on players that show nothing and are clearly beaten out by 6th round players at the same position. Russell in no way, shape or form showed that he belonged on an NFL roster this year or on the field, although it won't be surprising if he's signed to the Practice Squad if he goes unclaimed.

And seriously, why would any team claim him at this point and put him on their 53?

LMAO

There's something more to this than talent. Either he didn't mesh with the coaches, wasn't doing what he was told, there HAS to be a reason why you cut a 3rd round pick 1 week into his rookie season.

I'm with Pest, this kid is going to end up somewhere, and do very well in this league.

And props to Dane for not only calling this, but sticking to his guns throughout. Nobody thought a third rounder would be cut after the season, much less week 1.

If we see more and more 3rd round picks getting cut one week into their rookie season, then our scouting department should be burned to the ground. You either believe in your evaluations, or you find new evaluators. We picked the kid 74th overall - that talent didn't just disappear in a few weeks of practice in shells.

There has to be more to the story. The kid has way too much talent to give up on without ever seeing the field.

Hell, keep him inactive all year- but don't just cut him. Especially when you're keeping guys like Acker, Dat and Davis that are nothing but ST players, and are redundant at that.

Exactly. The draft position is irrelevant at this point. They would obviously have taken White over Russell if they could go back.

Jones, Ehinger, Hill, Murray, White, and Robinson is still looking like a really nice draft class.

DJ White has shown more from Day One than Russell.

Eric Murray doesn't factor into the equation because he's a safety.

Indy needs CBs in a bad bad way, and there is also the golden domer local thing. I'd bet he's claimed by somebody, and indy is a pretty prime candidate.

Exactly.

6 million? Yup

https://www.google.com/amp/www.arrow...android-att-us

Stick to being wrong about Notre Dame players you dead beat bundle of sticks

**** even Sanders Commings lasted longer then him.

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I dub thee a turd

I fully disagree.

Teams, even championship teams, miss on players every year, whether it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round.

Unless Dorsey packages up picks to move up in the early rounds, we'll see this type of move more often, as the Chiefs 53 is pretty stacked with starters, backups, young guys and character.

DAT and Davis have more value to this roster than Russell, which is what I've been saying all along. It's silly, IMO, to burn a roster spot on a guy that won't contribute in 2016 because he has "potential", which again, IMO, wasn't shown in the preseason.

He's a Practice Squad player at this point in his career, regardless of where he was drafted.

I think he gets claimed. Unless there is some legal issue or something we don't know about. I'm sure that most teams had him ranked high on their draft boards and a team that is weak at corner will gladly bump someone off of the bottom of their roster to take a flyer on a young corner. You all remember the guys that Dorsey grabbed off of the garbage heap in his first year here. Cooper in particular. Pioli had left this roster in shambles and we needed talent badly. There are plenty of teams in that shape now. Someone will claim him.

Props. I thought there was 0% chance they'd cut a third rounder. If you spend that capital on him, you would think they would be patient. Well, I would think anyway. Credit.

It'll be interesting to see if we ever figure out what happened here.

LOL he may start in Cleveland soon.

What this comes down to is pass rush. We needed all the help we can get at rushing the passer, and Russell was #53 on the 53 man roster. Enter Moses, exit Russell. Pretty elementary.

Gotta say I agree here. It's certainly not the first 3rd round ****ing bust.

What did he show in preseason that makes you believe that a team would claim him and put him on the field this Sunday?

I'm not stating that it's impossible but as I've said since July, I don't see it with this guy at this point in time.

I hadn't even learned to spell his name yet.

Only on CP...

Player X: "He needs 3-4 years to realize his potential. GIVE HIM TIME!!!"

Russell: "He's garbage 1 week into his career, cutting him was the right move."

LMAO

Yikes. The Chiefs would've been better off drafting Jones in the first and then drafting someone else in the second round.

The deal with Dezmon Moses is simple: Had he been on the roster Week 1, as a vested veteran, his salary would have been guaranteed for 2016.

Now, the Chiefs can cut him and re-sign all throughout the season, if necessary, while paying him weekly.

So, you're of the opinion that Russell should have been kept or are you stating that all players and positional values are different?

This is my sentiment. Pioli would've never done this. It takes balls to admit a big mistake like this so early. But there's a plan right now. Just waiting to see what it is.

3rd round picks are almost always trash. Jamel Fleming was a third round pick.

How many of you wish Ned and Dayton had the balls to admit Soria/Young was a mistake and cut their worthless asses?

BossChief is CPs KnoMo

Do they put him on the PS and cut someone to make room.

I'm not disagreeing with you. He showed nothing in preseason. But he did show a lot at Notre Dame that made him a 3rd round pick. All I am saying is that there are teams with turds at the bottom of there roster that will move one of those turds to give him a shot. If this was 2013 and another team had drafted and cut him, half of this board would have been saying that we should bring him in for a look. We had so many craptastic players on our roster that we would have never missed, so why not use one of those spots to take a low risk high reward shot on a guy that looked pretty good coming out of college.

With our trade downs we got our starting LG and Eric Berry's future replacement. We're good. Don't worry about us.

There are a lot of bad teams in this league and you don't have to field every player on your roster. My memory is that only 46 dress out.

Which is why cutting a 3rd rounder so you can choose to not dress DAT instead is just stupid. You're going to have a handful of healthy scratches each week anyway; Russell should've been one of them.

Jamaal and Travis say hello.

Hell yes. I love this part of Dorsey.

And Houston.

I think he'll be on the practice squad because of that unless we just flat out don't like the kid.

This.

I wonder if the cap space part of all of this was created for someone like Ron Leary to start ahead of Ehinger?

No clue what we would give up, but with Moses back it would have to include a deadweight guy to get back under 53.

Holy shit! Mind blown! Any studs from the other rounds????

DAT has more value in the NFL this season than Russell.

IMO, DAT has more value as an inactive player on the Chiefs roster than if they were to cut him loose, as he might very well end up on a rival's 53.

Dorsey's playing chess while other guys are playing checkers.

It's not because I called this weeks ago but I do believe that Dorsey has proven since 2013 that he deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to personnel decisions, especially those in the secondary.

I think he'd instantly be a Raider or Charger.

Would love to see KC trade for a stud pass rusher but not sure why a team would part with anyone worthwhile at this point in the season.

And Dane is correct that when you have built a pretty solid team you're going to have a hard time keeping picks -- it isn't necessarily a sign of a bad pick. I also liked DJ White's play and enthusiasm more than Russell's so not like we lost anything. DJ's tackle on Sunday was a big one and he'll have many more to come.

He's been with us for only 4 months. How terrible did Dee Ford look in his first year? He ran away from a RB bc he was so confused.

Add in the fact that there was a spot open but we traded for Acker.

It's not like Dorsey to give up on a high pick so early. There has to be something else going on.

This is my thinking. I was shocked and definitely wouldn't say I was happy about this, but I give Dorsey the benefit of the doubt at this point. I don't see why everybody else wouldn't do the same.

This is more of an indictment on Russell than Dorsey. There's a big problem if you're drafted in the top 100 (74?) and get little playing time in ****ing preseason and then cut after week 1.

Raiders were scouting our Rams preseason game for returners.

I was surprised KC took so many DBs this year. I think it was a preventative move in case Nelson/Gaines had issues coupled with letting Smith walk.

This has a lot to do with having a deep roster...good problem to have. If it were 2013, he would still be here.

This is a good point. Dorsey hedged his bets at the corner position, and one guy had to go in the end.

It's not like this was a big reach, either. Most scouting reports had him projected as going in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

And I was solemnly against paying a 29 year old CB, whose wheels could fall off at any time, $40 million over 4 years.

Guess what happens in the very first game? Smith gives up a 98 yard TD and was benched. Smith even admitted "I was getting killed".

Dorsey, once again, proving he's a pimp.

Qft

I can't argue with that at all. He has proven he knows what he's doing there.

Smith never got smoked like that in Sutton's scheme. I think it was an issue of putting a square peg in a round hole. That was on the coaches.

That's what happens when you have money to blow on high priced FA's.

I don't get it. Even if he really is terrible you don't just go and cut your own third round pick that YOU made. I bet he goes somewhere and plays well.

Was he suspended for cheating at Notre Dame?

Oh I know and I didn't knock Dorsey at the time. I just think this whole surprising and sucks to cut a third round pick, is bad for Russell. Teams will ask: why did KC cut a third round pick? Now someone will probably claim him because of where he was picked but he didn't show anything so it's more of a leap of faith than anything else.

I heard before the season started there are more Undrafted FA players in the league now than there are 1st and 2nd round draft picks.

Thats a pretty telling statistic on the complexity and crapshoot of the draft.

This.

Just because you draft a guy doesn't mean he's gonna make the team or that he's better than what's on the roster. After drafting as many DB's as we did, we had to know at least one would be cut.

This was a ballsy move by Dorsey, and with an improving roster i expect more of this.

Long gone are the days in which every pick is guaranteed a spot. We're simply not that talentless anymore.

Smith wasn't 29 years old in Sutton's scheme, either.

Look at Revis last year (and this year): He's a shell of his former self.

The wheels fall off at 29 for CB's more often than not. Cooks was at least a yard ahead of Smith in pursuit.

Yes

So, he'll suddenly "Flip a Switch" if he's claimed by another team?

I think that's highly unlikely.

certainly seems like something is coming

Going back to this, yes, he was suspended for academic fraud. Terez Paylor also indicated that Russell was having problems with the terminology, which was supposedly the reason why he was behind.

Pure speculation but if you put 2 and 2 together, maybe he has a learning disability, which led to cheating and his issue with terminology.

Just a guess.

I'm not suggesting this is the case but didn't we cut and then resign a couple of players to the roster multiple times last season? I wonder if Dorsey tries to extend his roster based on the week's opponent?

I think he's actually a good player Dane. Hence his high draft rating. Perhaps the whole world was wrong about him