It would be kinda weird

Ford absolutely starts the rest of the year ROFL

Tamba is all but done. Dadi will start to get more and more snaps. When Houston gets back and I don't want him rushed, we can rotate Hali, Dadi and Zombo occasionally.

I never understood people putting down Ford for playing bad competition. Von Miller got 3 sacks against the same team and same players. He also got a lot of sacks on our garbage OL the last few years.
Khalil Mack got 5 sacks a horrible Michael Schofield.
Justin Houston got 4 sacks in a game against a horrible Chargers OL 2 years ago as well as several other sacks on other bad players that year.

So those not count either?

Ironic post is ironic ROFL. The person who doesn't understand football positions is telling others that they don't understand football.
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They count, but not as much in my book. Making a big play to shut down a drive in the middle of a game against a good player that helps turn the tide? That's a good play. Getting a garbage time sack against a 3rd string RT? That's not the same level play. I'm not saying Ford isn't making some plays, but there's alot more I expect out of the kid before I call him even an average 3-4 OLB at this point. Sacks aren't the entire story of a player. I've seen plenty of guys have a 7-10 sack season by almost sheer luck and go back to sucking total balls. Ford needs to get pressure every game, multiple series a game, and he needs to play the run far better. When he does that, I'll eat some crow. 5.5 of his 7 sacks came against 2 atrocious backup right tackles. He's been relatively irrelevant otherwise. Let's not suck the kid's dick just yet.

So basically, you haven't been watching the games.

That's fair I guess, but he's gotten a sack (or combined sack) in 5/7 games this year. I would definitely consider that consistent as far as making a play . Unfortunately Tamba erased his sack last week though.

He's not perfect, but I'm seeing such a big mark of consistency. He's not Houston but he's looking like a damn good complimentary OLB in the making

I don't wash players' balls because I do watch the games.

You want to know the player I would eat the most crow on right now? Parker Ehinger. But the kid can't stay healthy.

aThe Chiefs have already discussed having all three pass rushers on the field and are excited about it.

The first time you say something relevant will be the first time.

One more time, with feeling:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

When Justin Houston comes back, how do you see Dee Ford fitting in? He’s earned a place in there somewhere. Maybe split with Tamba Hali? — @RealMcCoy44

Ford has absolutely earned a role going forward. With his huge 3 1/2 -sack game, Ford has recorded seven this season, which puts him on pace for 16. And here’s the thing ... he genuinely seems to be looking forward to Houston’s return. Hali, 32, is dealing with knee problems and is content with a pinch-hitting role, so I’d imagine a solid three-man rotation — with Ford featured prominently — is in the cards.

On passing downs, all three of them can play, with either Hali or Houston shifting inside. It will be up to defensive coordinator Bob Sutton to make it work, but I can tell you those guys are looking forward to it.

Ah. The "You're a ball washer" argument.

He has not been a liability against the run this season. But carry on.

11 sacks in 14 games is great no matter who you are facing. The other guys don't give back sacks either.

And I'll be fair too; he's getting better. He's not there yet and he's not a complete player yet. I think my expectations for him are that he becomes a complete player, being a 1st round pick. I know the "draft position doesn't matter" crowd will disagree, but that's my expectation. I expect one-trick ponies later in the draft.

Sorry dude. You seem football dumb.

It's like these clowns watch a different game to pretend they weren't wrong.

Ahhh waaaaaaah my favorite player gets picked on by someone. Ban me from the thread oh great ones. ****ing reeruned shit around here.

Are you 15? Jesus Christ.

Today I decided I am. Problem with that?

I need more beer.

Where's the All-22 thread from last week I can't seem to function the search... I want to see if bob and pasta are right and I'm drunk.

44 points allowed in the last 3 games to elite QBs and he's a big part of it.

Defense won the game today & Dee Ford was a key part in it.



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The defense won a game in which the Chiefs scored 30 points, with TWO QB's and three running backs?

Did you watch or are you quoting stats?

On what planet is Ford not good against the run?

He's been pretty fundamentally sound the past 6 games against the run. His coverage has been DJ-esque -- he gives up almost no receptions in coverage.

His passrushing could be more impactful, but he's basically learned how to play the position now. Now we fine-tune some of his instincts.

Once he pins his ears back, which are at the ends of games like this, and he literally doesn't have to give a shit about the run, he's super effective.

When he's got to keep one eye on the run, he's been pretty good.

So he just needs to better recognize runs vs. passes in that split second after the snap.

He's only going to get better.

And then Houston returns.

Man the turf in Indy really was fun for Ford. He was so fast off the ball already having that insane first step.

The guy is a ****ing moron

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I wonder how much Dadi is bulking up during the season? He is getting experience as the season progresses. Can you imagine the pass rush come January. With a healthy Houston, A much improved Ford. Jones and Dadi with a full season under their belsts and Hali still playing at a high level, not to mention Poe commanding double teams in the middle? We could have an unstoppable pass rush.

You typically don't bulk up over the season. These guys are steadily losing weight throughout the year.

You bulk up in the offseason.

And I gotta say, a fully healthy Houston with Ford across from him and a second-year Dadi rotating in sounds hella sexy.

Both sides played well enough to make the win comfortable. Neither were mandatory due to the overall performance.

That said, squelching the threat of Luck going off was a bigger accomplishment than squelching the 'threat' of a dominant Colts defensive effort.

Sacking Luck the is the equivalent of a participation trophy for nfl pass rushers. But I will say this is the first game where I really noticed Ford doing more than just trying to beat his man with speed. He even had a nice bull rush. I hope I was wrong and he turns out to be good. Will be huge if he can replace Hali next year.

I'm all for Ford improving- and he has been. Dadi may be in the same situation.. gain a few pounds in the off-season like Ford did this year, and you may see even more of him next year. Like I said earlier, you are going to see a rotation based on what the offense is showing for its personnel. In situations where there are 2 RB or multiple TE's, I think you will see more Hali. Otherwise going to see more Ford. To be honest, this is a GOOD situation to be in, with this much talent rotating.

Llllloaded lloaded

If Houston comes back to even 80% of his normal talent this year then QB's are going to struggle immensely.
Ford is collapsing the outside pocket forcing QB's to step up and Poe/Jones are playing so well pushing the interior 5 yards back consistently.

I loved Sutton's plan of getting Nicolas snaps when we're up by double digits. There's no need to use Tamba as much in those situations.
Speaking of..I really liked what I saw from Nicolas. The young man keeps flashing when he gets opportunities.
He's only played like 25 snaps and has a QB hit, batted pass and a pressure.

The guy's making a difference playing the wrong position.

Imagine putting a G at RT and having him play well - that's what we're doing with Ford right now. The way we use the SOLB in this defense is so much different than the Will that it really is like playing a different position rather than just on a different side.

When Houston comes back and Ford's able to play where he should have been playing his entire career, he's going to be even better.

I said the dude was a 10 sack player and frankly, I may have underestimated him. And as I said last week, the 'gets his against bad OL's' argument is just the worst of the false canards. That's what they all do. Take away the 'get fat' games that even the best have against poor opponents and suddenly 15 sack guys become 8-9 sack guys pretty quickly.

I've been saying it for 2 years but everything this guy did in college and every one of his measurements made him as good a prospect as Dante Fowler. There's nothing on tape or on film to demonstrate a decided difference between the two. Just like Dorsey managed to get a less heralded version of Trae Waynes in Phillip Gaines, he did it here with Dee Ford.

The kid can play.

He rushed from the left @ auburn as well, no?

But with his hand on the ground.

It isn't where he's standing but rather what he's asked to do. The strong side in this scheme has a ton of coverage and edge support responsibility. He didn't have that at Auburn because he was used as a pure 3-point speed rusher. That area of his game was incredibly underdeveloped because of it.

If he's on the weak side, his responsibilities will be more in line with what he was asked to do at Auburn. Though really, it's not even a necessity at this point as he's gotten much better in both of those areas with playing time (because...duh).

But when he's given more pass rush responsibility and a chance to focus on that area, he'll be an even more disruptive presence. He's earned the starting role ahead of Hali, IMO.

It's almost like we either don't know how to be happy after a convincing win or just can't stand being happy after a convincing win. Jesus, lol.

I was thnking about that last night.

We went in a thoroughly dominated a top 5 offense on the road. I mean, it was worse than the score showed, it was an ass kicking.

We don't know how to react to that.

That's where I'm at. His criticism was earned. Running away from the ball and shit. Glad he's arriving. He's going to be beloved here once teams have to start using resources to cover Justin Houston.

Such an angry little possum!!!

Well, people will just come and say, well their offensive line wasnt good. Well, guess what? The's supposed to dominate lesser olines and struggle against good oline's. Thats why the NFL pays LT's insane money, because its hard to get passed them. IF it wasnt, regardless of who was the pass rusher, they wouldnt make so much damned money (LT's).

Been a fan of his since he was drafted. I'll eat crow in the fact that I thought he would have done this sooner. Good to see him finally step it up though.

It's pretty clear that most of this forum doesn't know how to react.

For the duration of the offseason, a majority of members have slammed the fact that Dorsey didn't re-sign Sean Smith and that he didn't bring in more pass rushers or cornerbacks. The majority thought the defense was going to be a Work In Progress and that the offense was going to be amazing and make up for it.

Lo and behold, the offense started off slow yet the defense picked up right where it left off last year without Houston, holding high scoring offenses to season low's while young players see a ton of playing time.

The Chiefs thoroughly dominated the Colts, Raiders and Jets defensively, held the Saints to their second lowest point total and the offense is finally clicking.

It just seems like most people here can't handle the fact that the Chiefs are a very good, if not great, football team.

No, no no.

Sacks only count when they come against good pass rushers. Because Von Miller gets all his sacks against Tyron Smith and Joe Thomas.

Offenses are run right now in a way where credible tackles just don't give up many sacks. Fisher's only given up 1 or 2 this year, right? And he's merely good; but no means great.

Good players get fat against bad players and hold their own against other good players. That's what we've seen from Ford this year. The other guy gets paid to play as well. The league is pro-offense so to act like a defensive player should be beating up on similarly talented offensive players is just ignoring the way the league has trended of late.

Kicked dog syndrome.

Though there does remain real room for conversation at QB. Sure, the offense looked better yesterday but it tended to look its best with Foles under center. Now, for the good plays Foles made downfield, he missed on some short passes that Smith wouldn't have and it impacted the scoreboard. But there's a real discussion as to whether that improvement downfield more than offset the losses short and the lost mobility (though Smith's not looking as spry these days either).

Man it would've been nice had that game happened just like that with Smith in charge. And really, it might have - Smith went deep twice in his first 3 attempts, correct? There was clearly a commitment to the deep ball. And neither throw to Hill was amazing - the first was a badly underthrown ball that Hill did a nice job adjusting and shielding the DB and the second was just badly blown coverage for an easy pitch and catch. They weren't exactly signs of a sustainable downfield model.

There are still unanswered questions on offense.

5/7 Chiefs opponents are top 12 in scoring offense. The Chiefs are currently 8th in points allowed after playing all those teams without their best player.

We can sit and debate Smith vs. Foles, but credit where it is due - that TD pass to Maclin was a thing of beauty, and I'm really not sure he makes that throw the last couple of years. Alex has improved this season with his downfield accuracy, like it or not. Doesn't mean he has "arrived" as an All-Pro weapon, but the improvements are plain to see in 2016.

Weird thread for this post, but that throw to Maclin was picture perfect.

The throw before it was even better. That thing was dropped right into the 1 foot by 1 foot box it needed to be in and Maclin, for whatever reason, felt like 1 hand was the way to go. The ball should've been caught.

Maclin's not been right this year. He hasn't been right since his buddy died. It's just been a really weird year for him.

I forgot about that. He really threaded a needle on that throw, and Maclin just ****ed it off. You're right about him being ****ed up since his buddy died as well. He's just not himself out there right now.

It was a quasi-reply to DJ's Nutsack.

He had 3 catches off of 10 targets yesterday, very much under what he normally produces. And you're right - he doesn't look anything like himself this year. No explosion off the line or out of cuts. Hopefully he gets out of his funk soon.

And yeah, that one handed attempt at a catch in the endzone was ****ery. Maclin knows better than that.

Mah bad. He seems like a genuinely good kid. I mean obviously I want him at maximum performance for the Chiefs, but JMac is someone I genuinely like from what I know of him as a person. I hope he gets his mind right for him. Losing peers at his age is a ****ed up thing to go through. We've all been there.

Foles hit passes that Smith likely wouldn't have and vice versa. But Smith was on fire before the first blow to the head and looked like he was going to have his best game of the year.

I don't see how they don't pick up Foles option next year, regardless of the $10 million dollar cap charge (which can be renegotiated, of course). I don't know if he can truly become a Franchise QB but Smith has taken a lot of hits this year, which tend to compound over the course of a season or two.

If Foles can't be a Franchise QB, he'd make a helluva transition QB.

He definitely prefers the right sideline for the "bucket" throws.

Maclin's clearly not the same guy. I don't think he fell of the cliff in terms of physical presence or age but mentally, he's just not home this year.

I hope he recovers mentally before the playoffs but even if it takes him until 2017 to return to form, I think we should all greatly appreciate the effort he put into the offseason with Conley and Wilson.

Conley is leaps and bounds ahead of where he was last year and I don't think that's by accident.

Maclin, however, is run blocking like a mother****ing man right now. Maclin destroys his guy on run plays and screens to his side. I don't think he's ever been a "bad" blocker, but he's upped his game there this year.

Conley is so, so close to being the #2 guy we've needed to go along with our #1 receiving threat. I really wish he would have kept his feet on that wide open play he had down the sideline. I wanted to see his speed kick into gear by outrunning the safety to the endzone.

Another throw from Foles into blown coverage where he didn't really make a great throw. If he puts it out there just a little more, Conley's untouched for a score.

True. I'll give Foles a bit of a pass due to rust on that throw, but that was a gimme he should hit.

Man, that Indy defense is rotten taint.

Here's the thing though: I don't know if anyone can label it "rust" or a pattern.

He was downright awful last year with Rams. Now, the Rams are an awful team with little offensive talent outside of Gurley and Austin and they're extremely vanilla in terms of play calling but Foles was just bad. So bad, he was beat out by Case Keenum, who is beyond awful.

I think Foles signed with KC because he needed to get back to basics, work on his mechanics and decision making. He looked much better yesterday than he did in the preaseason but he still missed on some of his throws.

I expect Smith to miss at least one game but as we've seen with the concussion protocol, he could miss as many as four or five. It's just hard to predict. But if the Chiefs are to beat good teams like Denver and Atlanta and even Carolina, all on the road, Foles will need to hit more of those passes than he misses.

Back to Dee Ford, his turnaround has been really reminiscent of when DJ suddenly became a good player.

I remember how down on him we all were and then almost by magic he turned into something great. I really hope we are witnessing that with Dee Ford.

11 in 14 games? Yeah i believe he's arrived. This team is also 15-2 in the last 17 :eek:

Not really.

DJ was starting, he just wasn't playing well. The defense changed and suddenly he exploded. There's a chance he'd have never developed to this level if we stayed in a 4-3. I doubt it, but it could've happened.

Ford, OTOH, simply wasn't playing because he was behind two all-timers. Houston has HoF talent and Hali's probably still getting to 100 sacks. No shame in sitting behind those guys.

People that quit on DJ quit because he was playing poorly. People that quit on Ford quit because they just couldn't hold their wad. Ford wasn't getting to play at all.

I thought DJ turned it around before our defense changed but I could be misremembering that.

But yeah some players need to get time in. Crazy how that works.

DJ's breakout season was 2010, his sixth year in the league

Yeah, and it was Todd Haley of all people who got in his head and got him going.

He looked in '07 like he might be turning the corner but it was becoming increasingly obvious by '09 that the 4-3 just wasn't going to let him capitalize on his talents.

He really has had a remarkable career in that he's essentially had 2 fairly long, extremely distinct periods. Not many guys stay stuck in neutral until they're in their late 20s only to explode and then maintain that level. Oh sure, some have a freakish hot season (usually a contract year) and then regress back to their old standard of performance.

But how many guys wait that long and then find a new normal that is a legit all-pro caliber player?

DJ and Ford really aren't that similar. DJ's story is actually going to be far FAR less common.

And Romeo Crennel, who he saw as a father figure

That's not what Chiefshrink told me. He said that it was common for young guys like Dadi and Ehinger to bulk up a lot during the season.

He said that it's common for a player to gain a third or more in strength during a season.ROFL

Von Miller is an elite player. There arent many of him. We all have to admit, he's the best rushing linebacker in the league. Not everyone can be at that level. Im not saying dee ford cant beat a great LT, but its not going to be easy. The Chiefs have had beast olines through the years and not many players dominated guys like Roaf. Its hard to do regardless of who was on the other side.

Anyways, Ford is doing what he's supposed to do. He's getting better and he's starting to make an impact on the game. Keep moving forward youngster.

Chiefshrink was the only person alive who watched Alex Smith get KO'd and said "If he'd just bulked up in-season with some shrugs he'd have been fine!"

Disagree with the red. Agree with the green. I don't think most of the forum was mad Smith didn't get that contract from us. I think a lot, like me, thought it would be a bumpy transition over the course of the year, hence green being correct. I think a decent amount of us viewed Smith leaving as a 1 step back, 2 steps forward move. For the long-term health of the team, it was the right move. And if you told us Gaines would have been this banged up, the concern level would have been even higher. More kudos to the secondary for that.

Smith did look like he wanted to go deep yesterday, and did. I do think he would have pushed the ball like Foles. Maybe not as much, and as you said, what would his success rate have been.

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Feel the same way.

He didn't do a damn thing while earning millions the first couple years, but credit where credit is due. He's balling right now, and our pass rush is going to be a real bitch for opposing QBs once J Houston starts rounding into form.

I hope he keeps it up when Houston plays again. Because Ford is gonna have to shift over and play against LT's. That is gonna be a tougher task. Can't expect the sack numbers to stay where they are. But still gonna need to see an impact however possible.

I was patient with Ford and it's paid off. Some of these guys take awhile to develop.

Ford was amazing today I'll eat some crow