Anyone who thinks the Raiders will win needs to pay more attention to the flow of the season.

There is absolutely zero chance they win after what KC did to Denver, and I would be surprised if it's even close.

If the Raiders score 10 points I will be surprised.

I think you're right. Denver is terrible. The only reason why the've won 8 games is because they got off to that 4-0 start. Since then, they are 4 -7. Oakland, even wothout Carr, will beat them easily IMO.

"The flow of the season"? What does that mean?

The only "flow" going into the Raiders-Broncos game is that Oakland can still run the ball well and the Donks still can't stop the run. You may wish really, really bad that Oakland's gonna fold up and that the Donk D is going to shut them out, so whatever.

If Oakland scores 13 points it'll probably be enough to win the game.

It's been a while since denver has played a game that meant nothing. No one can be sure of how they respond.

I would guess the Broncs will be angry and competitive. Shame on them, if not.

DEN - 16
OAK - 12

[QUOTE=lawrenceRaider;12644641]OK, good one.....but in the words of Scarface...."YOU STAY AWAY FROM HER, SHE NOT FOR YOU!!!!!"

Potentially going 12-4, sweeping the division, and still getting stuck with a road Wild Card game is a bitter feeling. I've always hoped the NFL would give the team with the better record the home wild card game. No reason an 8-8 team from a terrible division deserves to play at home against a team that's 13-3 and lost their division to a 14-2 team. They can still keep everything else the same.

yeah, it's ****ed up..

That is the only way I see denver winning, a low scoring ugly kind of game.

If not for being a home game I totally agree...No WAY Elway wants to lose at home PERIOD.

Yeah, but if they did that then there may as well not be divisions. Maybe there's an argument to be made for that though. That is, get rid of the divisions and simply go by record alone. The top two teams get the bye, the next two teams with the best records get the home wildcard game, etc.

This Sunday, the Steelers don't have to worry about anything, win or lose. They can rest everyone and finish with a worse record than Miami. And Miami doesn't have anything to play for either. But without the current structure they'd both have to put out maximum effort because it would be the difference between a road playoff game and a home one.

The Texans, who have clinched, may also be in that mix under pure record system. And with the Phins fighting for a home spot, the Patriots would also have to fight too because if they lose and the Raiders win, the Raiders get the #1 seed (I think).

The regular season rivalries would be rendered meaningless though, so I guess how one feels about it would depend on how much they value the history between teams.

It's an interesting idea, but one that's not going to happen.

So is losing a very winnable home game to the Titans.

In the grand scheme I know it all evens out and there are games like the Chargers game and Falcons game we had no business winning yet did. That said, the Titans game in particular was just an absolute blown opportunity that was 75% Andy, 20% DAT, and 5% Alex.

Totally agree...the fans on OM are wanting them to basically throw the game..lol

Vegas favors Denver by 3.

I have always failed to comprehend this logic. Why would the playoff seeding system render rivalries obsolete? The teams will still face each other home and away every year.

Not surprised - they're all idiots. Chiefs kicked our asses and rubbed it in our faces with Poe, so lets throw the game to **** them out of the division title. ROFL

exactly. The only change that needs made is home games are based on record in the WC round. Sorry but if you win your division with only 8, 9 or even 10 wins, you shouldn't be gifted a home game. Shit, you shouldn't be gifted for anything winning a shitty division.

I, for one, believe they will

Sucks for them because regardless what they do, they end up helping a division rival. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I don't know if it'd render them obsolete but it'd definitely make them less important. Just look at this weekend... it makes the Chiefs/Raiders rivalry the difference between a bye and a first round road game. There's a lot on the line.

I like the system the way it is though. There's no way to make it fair because not everyone plays the same schedule. The first year you change it, somebody is going to complain because Team X had to play the AFC West and Team Y got a home game because they played the terrible AFC South. There's always going to be a flaw... so I like setting it so that division rivalries determine home games.

I love we put them in that spot.

With these two starting QBs in the Oakland/Denver game... I'm not sure we really know what to expect. I don't think Denver will mail it in, but will they be really focused after such a letdown? Lynch will play hard though, for sure... it may make a difference between Lynch getting the job next year or Elway going out and bringing in a veteran.

They benefit more if they lose rather than win. Besides all of the Donx will be hungover after going out on NYE and getting smashed and shooting people.

It won't be for that purpose though. It will be to get a better draft position and because they don't give a shit. But I think Denver is so terrible now, they would lose regardless of if they tried or not. They are simply a bad football team.

No way Denver wants to end the season on a 4 game skid at home, they'll be "up" IMO

Add to that McGloin instead of Carr coming to town, and Dinver has a great shot at this

Oh, I agree that no way Denver wants to end the season on a 4 game skid. I just don't think they're good enough to prevent it, regardless of Carr being out.

They got embarrassed.

And since you don't know what I'm talking about, go and take a look at the w/l column of the proud and talented teams playing at home after a loss, much less an embarrassment.
It's the surest bet you can make in the NFL.
You think Denver wants their last home game to be a loss? Think again.

Denver's D is going to piss pound you relentlessly.

KC beating SD is way more up in the air.

The Raiders are walking into a slaughter. They will not win another game this season.

We'll just have to disagree, mate

Their D could easily end up confusing the hell outta McGroin, throw in some home cooking and a decent showing from Lynch... and they can get this one IMO

What if your division is the best in football from top to bottom.
The AFC West could have easily beat each other up to barely above .500, and would be on the road as a div winner.
It's fine the way it is.

That D has as much talent as anyone in football.
Nobody want losing to be the last thing they taste in any season.
They want the last thing people remember to be what they think they are.

It's gonna be a ****ing defensive clinic.

Mark it down.

You think Denver is deflated, and what the Raiders aren't?

They know they are just as done as the donks.

I agree.. were this in Oakland I'd maybe hedge a bit, but last game of the year in Denver?

Yeah, McGroin is in for a long day

If Denver can contain their run game somewhat, they will win. Much better team at home than on the road.

I disagree. Did you see irvin and Mack on the sidelines late in that game? They were possessed. They aren't going to give up all their work. Hell the probably think they have to fight for the seed more than ever. And if the pats lose they will be even more amped.

Mcgloin is also fiery. They will be ready. Denver will fight but will probably need a defensive score to have a chance.

Raiders still have a good chance of winning in spite of McGloin and here is why. Oakland has a massive o-line that can open up holes on anyone and they can run. All they have to do is run and make sure they score TD's in the red zone while chewing up the clock and they should win this. Denver's run D has been fading these past few weeks because they are gassed being on the field all year because of their anemic offense. I don't see it improving but I will be Broncos fan this week for sure.:thumb: Because if we have to play Pitt and we will I want them Arrowhead.

Magic Johnson aids, or Eric Wright aids?

Denver guys are going be playing for contracts or auditioning for other teams they will give Raiders fits and they will also take their losing season out on the Raiders. Raiders will be putting up their own fight for the division title so I'm hoping blood will be spilled and Raiders lose and bleed out their weeping vagina.

I hear your argument, they have some road grading maulers... but Philips is no slouch, he knows the best way (especially with #2 McGroin at the helm) to beat Oakland is to stop the run and make The Groin beat them

There are good reasons to predict a Denver win, in no order

Last game of the year
At home
Division rival
#2 opposing QB
Facing a 4 game losing streak to end the year
Top shelf defense that just got embarrassed
Most teams will rally hard for an off the bench "spark" QB like Lynch

C'mon, dont act like this is some gimme for the fade, Denver (sucks to say it) are the defending champs... they wont go quietly into the 2016 night

Would it be that much of a surprise?
I view Broncos and their fans are like the Democrats and Hillary ....they cant handle the truth and will stoop to undermine the winners:D

What if you have a division with several good teams that beat up on each other during the course of the season? A team could split each division game and lose three games outside of the division. And what if the three losses came against three good teams? And what if those games were close?

And what if there aren't enough teams that have 11 win records? That would lead to ridiculous postseason scenarios.

The division system has always been around and it works. The only time people begin crying about it is when their team is in the position KC is. And the logical answer to that is if they win the division, it wouldn't be a concern.

Maybe don't ice Succup and give him two shots at it. Maybe don't show up in Pittsburgh half asleep.

Oh no, let's instead change the entire playoff system.

Why turn to violent same-sex non-consensual acts when trying to draw analogies?

Hey man, whatever your thing is, that's fine--I really don't care. It's just kind of weird to project it onto football games.

Thats what it looks like to me. If Oakland couldnt run the ball like they do Mcgloin would be toast, but Oakland is good at running the ball and Denver is bad at stopping the run, and then you got the Denver O that just sucks. Denvers going to have to get some turnovers and its probably going to have to happen against the run. I dont think the Raiders will have to throw much.

Its kind of a bad matchup needing Oakland to loose this one game with them getting a team that cant stop the run and cant score on offense. If they had the Broncos last week and the Colts this week they would be the #5 seed. If they can score 17-20 points they will beat Denver. Denver will need D/ST scores to pull it out.

Only an Oakland fan would think of Prison rape after reading that.

How much time did you /are you doing?
Ass still still sore, is it.

"He talking to you Tom!"

I don't expect much out of the cheating Donks for this game. The Chiefs just ripped their hearts out on National TV. What a beat down. First sweep of the Donks since 2000 and bounced their asses out of the playoffs. Soul Crushing!

One post and I know who this is. Even more obvious reading the whole thread. Anyone else figure it out yet?

They already have...

Hootie.

That's Clay

;) its Hootie, Clay wouldnt have been able to resist too many other tell tale flourishes

And seriously, **** that handle... Opoponax - a resin like gum that seeps from some weird tree? Get the hell outta here with that and come back with a good handle

I didn't say anything about prison rape. And there you go again being fixated on exactly what I was talking about. Better that you get it out online where it doesn't hurt anyone rather than visiting it on some innocent sheep though. So atta boy; I'm very proud of you for that.

"Opoponax" has also been used to describe words that don't appear in a dictionary.

Anyway, I registered the week leading up to the second Raiders-Chiefs game in order to talk about it with opposing fans, but I had to wait several days until I could post. Also, I try to be respectful when visiting other team's forums.

If you want to think I'm someone else who's been banned I don't care. But seriously, you guys need to mellow out on the gay violence thing. It's really weird.

I'm not sure why people think Oakland is going to trounce the Donks..in their stadium with a back-up QB. They just held NE to 17 points...

They still have great CBs, Ware/Miller..and Thomas/Sanders. Semenboy actually throws a good deep pass and Raiders pass defense sucks.

I think McGloin turns it over in this one...this isnt Indy's defense. He's 1-5 as a starter. Carr was pretty much the reason they are 12-3...they have trailed in the 4th.. in 8 of their 12 wins. Refs might gift them another win though...that's the wild card in this one.

I miss you Hootie.

Please stay.

ok

I would never concede a final game at home to the Raiders...and just roll over and let them pull a sweep in front of the fans. End the season on a 0-4 skid? That will leave a mark all off-season...there are a lot of egos on that team from winning the SB last year.

This is why Kubiak and the team didn't care about that jump pass play by Poe. They knew they could ruin the chances at a 2 seed for the Chiefs. Bravo! P.S. That play was still hilarious

As much as I hate Horseface...I think only the fans think like that. Elfruad is too competitive to throw a game against the hated Raiders at home. Oakland is as much responsible for the Donks missing the play-offs as the Chiefs. I would think the players want to redeem themselves before the off-season...after looking terrible on national TV.

Lynch is awful, Denver is awful, McGroin is awful. Who knows how it will turn out???

McGroin against that pass defense ROFL Denver definitely has a shot

but... but... but wild predictions set in absolutes are the bestest! :deevee: