Matt Schaub is the worst QB on that list and he once threw for nearly 5000 yards and 30 TD.

Chiefs fans would have thought he was the second coming of Dan Marino.

While I agree with most of what you said, Alex Smith also missed his share of plays himself. He is part of the problem.

Andy Reid is also a part of the issue that many underestimate.

Houston was put in deep cover twice by that idiot Sutton.

If Houston even shows up a little it would have helped dramatically. Once again when it comes to the playoff Houston is nowhere to be found. Only Ford manage to get any pass rush from the outside and that was very little.

Steeler's Oline was better than our Dline. Everyone continues to talk about how great Jones,Poe,Houston,Roche etc are and yet I didn't see much impact against the steelers. LB's were soft as shit.

The entire team is still soft, that shows up in the playoffs when the other teams are good. Good playoff teams don't generally give the game away by committing mistakes. We lived off the opponent's mistakes all year, just like the Schottenheimer teams.

We simply aren't good enough anywhere, not just one position. We don't have a single area of the team that is super bowl worthy ... including our coaching.

Riiiiigggghhhttt.
I'm sure those stats like passing yards, passing first downs, passing td's, passing etc. have nothing to do with the guy who is throwing (or not throwing) every single pass related to them. Probably doesn't matter that the ball is in his hands on EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE PLAY IN THE GAME.

The #1 reason: he is Alex Smith.

Alex Smith has NEVER had a season where he was above average in any of those categories.

NEVER.

You just screwed up your own argument.

Shaub is the worst QB on the list .......... he threw for 5k/30td

If Shaub was in this offense he wouldn't have thrown for 5k/30td.

Smith threw for 3,500 yards this year in an offense that was goofy as shit.

I'm smelling a mult

Clayton?

I find that hard to believe considering he did that on a Texans team that had Andre Johnson and a bunch of scabs on offense.

Kevin Walter? Owen Daniels? Steve Slaton? Jacoby Jones?

Trash compared to our skill position players.

shaub became predictable and fragile. i would never take shaub over alex. so there is that :D

Seems like a good possibility. Seems like him. same stupid ideas, same citing fantasy stats to make his moronic points.

That's a complete unobjective opinion.

Schaub's worst full season was better than Smith's best full season.

Agreed. Matt Shaub is not starting in the NFL. Does anyone really believe that if we let Alex Smith go he wouldn't be starting somewhere else? There are a lot of teams that would give Smith a starting job, but none that will give Schaub one. Smith>Schaub.

third down conversion percentage, passing first downs, yards per completion, red zone percentage have nothing to do with fantasy football, and everything to do with being a competent QB in real life

not a mult, just another chiefs fan tired of game managers. look around, there are plenty of us coming out of the woodwork.

does the fact he has not been a starting qb for the last four years tell you something?

shaub's best season he had 15 int's and the team finished 9-7. that was 8 years ago.

you're completely missing the point, which is:

the chiefs would have been far better off drafting matt schaub in 2004, instead of picking junior siavii, and given his success relative to the quarterbacks who have played for us since, this fan base would have been in ****ing love with him

that is how low the standard is for quarterback play in kansas city, and the franchise's success drafting QBs in the last 15 years

TLDR: If you take the WORST QB the Chiefs had an opportunity to draft in the last 15 years (of the ones that panned out decently or better), he's still better than everyone else that has played for the Chiefs in that time frame.

see, here you are trying to pervert the truth. were you to make this a valid argument you would have said the chiefs should have drafted shaub instead of TE kris wilson :D

I guarantee he wouldn't be our starter today if we had drafted him in 2004, so I don't see the point in your post. But I guess if we drafted him in the 1st you would think he was the GOAT, since that seems to be the way you judge QBs. Judging by results, I would take Alex Smith over Matt Schaub today, and since it is 2017 not 2004 that is all that really matters to me.

i was trying to make a point about the first round, though

the chiefs traded out and picked junior siavii, one of the worst expenditures of a first round pick by this team in it's entire history

they would have been better off staying put and picking the next QB taken which wasn't until the THIRD round

THAT is how low the standard is for some of this franchise's first round picks over the last 15 years

the point is that's clearly the right thing to do for this team going forward.

we've been ****ing up not drafting QBs for 15 years, if not longer.

time to change that strategy. soon. we literally have nothing to lose, because what we've been doing at the QB position flat out doesn't work, and the last four years are just adding to the mountain of evidence assembled by this franchise.

another thing you are perverting, is the same could be said about flacco. and he has won a superbowl, and the chiefs passed him over twice too.

Actually it's like 32 years.

Here is all of the QBs that were selected next after our pick since 2001. When were original pick in the draft before trades.

2001 - Drew Brees
2002 - Patrick Ramsey
2003 - Kyle Bollar
2004 - Matt Schuab
2005 - Aaron Rodgers
2006 - Kellen Clemens
2007 - Kevin Kolb
2008 - Joe Flacco
2009 - Mark Sanchez
2010 - Tim Tebow
2011 - Andy Dalton
2012 - Brandon Weeden
2013 - EJ Manuel
2014 - Teddy Bridgewater
2015 - Garrett Grayson
2016 - Christian Hackenberg

Years in which the QB would have been better than our selection.
2001 Brees > Trent Green trade
2004 Schaub > Junior Savii
2005 Rodgers > Derrick Johnson
2008 Flacco > Dorsey
2009 Sanchez > Tyson Jackson
2011 Dalton > Baldwin
2014 Bridgewater > Ford

Years in which our selection was better
2002 Sims > Ramsey
2003 Larry Johnson > Boller (Polomanu would have been even better)
2006 Tamba Hali > Clemens
2007 Bowe > Kolb
2010 Berry > Tebow
2012 Poe > Weeden
2013 Fisher > Manuel
2015 Peters > Grayson
2016 Jones > Hackenberg

It really is a shame Vermeil didn't take Brees as his first pick.

It would have been a difficult 5 years with that defense but I'm guessing Breesy would have won a Super Bowl with Herm Edwards coaching up the defense. I actually think that would have been a really good QB-HC combo. A lot like Manning-Dungy.

Brees handing off to prime LJ and chucking it to Bowe and Gonzalez would have been fun.

I looked at the list and noticed Rodgers and Roethlisberger as being late first round picks, and I wondered if perhaps late-first picks could be a good value, that perhaps they're guys who were overlooked.

So I made a quick formula to assess overall value. My formula was

V = YP*(%AP+%PB+%ST)*A

where

V = Career Value
YP = Years Played
%AP = Percent of Playing Years Named as All-Pro
%PB = Percent of Playing Years Named as Pro Bowler
%ST = Percent of Playing Years Named as Team's Starter (whether it was their draft team or not)
A = Adjustment for Active Players to Estimate Their Future Playing Years and Estimate Their Full Career

For those interested, I calculated A by looking at the median number of years played by retired players on the list who played longer than the active player had currently played. A adjusted their score proportionally to the median number of years they could be expected to play.

When I did that, here are the overall career values that I calculated. Overall, they seem to be a good match for production:

• Pick In Round Name Active-Adjusted Value
  1 Peyton Manning 38.0
  3 Matt Ryan 20.2
  1 Cam Newton 20.0
  24 Aaron Rodgers 19.8
  11 Ben Roethlisberger 19.4
  1 Eli Manning 17.2
  4 Philip Rivers 17.2
  1 Troy Aikman HOF 17.0
  2 Donovan McNabb 17.0
  1 Drew Bledsoe 16.0
  1 Vinny Testaverde 16.0
  1 Andrew Luck 15.4
  1 Carson Palmer 15.1
  1 Jameis Winston 13.5
  5 Kerry Collins 13.0
  3 Steve McNair 13.0
  18 Joe Flacco 13.0
  1 Matthew Stafford 12.0
  11 Jay Cutler 11.8
  1 Alex Smith 11.7
  3 Jim Everett 11.0
  26 Jim Harbaugh 11.0
  1 Michael Vick 11.0
  8 Ryan Tannehill 11.0
  1 Jeff George 9.0
  2 Marcus Mariota 9.0
  3 Blake Bortles 9.0
  1 Sam Bradford 8.6
  11 Daunte Culpepper 8.0
  13 Chris Miller 8.0
  5 Mark Sanchez 7.5
  2 Carson Wentz 7.0
  6 Trent Dilfer 7.0
  2 Robert Griffin 6.6
  3 Vince Young 6.0
  3 Joey Harrington 6.0
  18 Chad Pennington 6.0
  10 Blaine Gabbert 6.0
  25 Jason Campbell 5.0
  1 David Carr 5.0
  2 Rick Mirer 5.0
  1 Tim Couch 4.0
  17 Josh Freeman 4.0
  19 Kyle Boller 4.0
  32 Teddy Bridgewater 3.0
  12 Christian Ponder 3.0
  7 Byron Leftwich 3.0
  16 EJ Manuel 2.8
  1 JaMarcus Russell 2.0
  3 Heath Shuler 2.0
  22 Brady Quinn 2.0
  22 J.P. Losman 2.0
  22 Rex Grossman 2.0
  25 Tommy Maddox 2.0
  25 Tim Tebow 1.0
  22 Brandon Weeden 1.0
  8 Jake Locker 1.0
  3 Akili Smith 1.0
  6 David Klingler 1.0
  12 Chuck Long 1.0
  10 Matt Leinart 1.0
  32 Patrick Ramsey 1.0
  1 Jared Goff 0.0
  26 Paxton Lynch 0.0
  22 Johnny Manziel 0.0
  12 Cade McNown 0.0
  2 Ryan Leaf 0.0
  26 Jim Druckenmiller 0.0
  16 Dan McGwire 0.0
  24 Todd Marinovich 0.0
  7 Andre Ware 0.0
  6 Kelly Stouffer 0.0

35 of these players were top 5 picks. The median top five pick was Michael Vick - 7 years as a starter, 4 pro bowls. 51% of top-five picks had a value above 10, which equates to being an average 10 year starter with no pro bowls or a guy who made 5 pro bowls in 5 seasons and then retired.

16 of these players were taken between Pick 6 and Pick 15. The median QB taken between Picks 6 and 15 was Christian Ponder - 3 years as a starter and 0 pro bowls. 19% of picks in this range had a value above 10.

21 of these players were taken on Pick 16 or later. The median QB taken in this range was J.P. Losman - 2 years as a starter and 0 pro bowls. 16% of picks in this range had a value above 10.

The bottom line, then is that if you take a top-5 pick, there's about a 50 percent chance that he's going to be a long-term starter in the league with success. Outside the top five, there's about a 1 in 6 chance of that, and a greater than 50/50 likelihood that they will be total busts.

By the way, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. We just have to modulate our expectations that we'll need to draft 6 late first rounders to get 1 10-year starter.

You need to get out more.

I wish they used equations like this to teach algebra I may have learned something. I agree with splatbass you need to get out more RM

Too risky. Could have set us back

Seems like the media, both local and national, are turning on Smith

So a cold chill ran down my spine this morning as a thought occurred to me. Apparently Johnny Manziel is looking to rehab his life and image.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lo...rry-of-tweets/

We know that Andy gave Vick a chance...what if Andy is eyeing Manziel as a reclamation project just like Vick?

What if next season or two off seasons from now we sign Johnny Manziel?

He is pretty much the exact opposite of Smith.


This place would turn into a Tzar Bomb.

The Pro Bowl is a joke. I think you should have left it out of the formula.

but that would dilute the talent pool :D