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Mr. Laz 03-11-2017 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12779497)
Easy, Laz. The WR class in 2014 was a mistake, because we only had Dwayne Bowe on the downhill slide.

If the Chiefs don't draft a single secondary player this year (which I think is unlikely), it wouldn't be near as big of a deal because they have good talent there already. I still think they take a CB sometime, though.

I'm just so frustrated.

One year I would just like for everyone to say "Omg, how did the Chiefs do that?!?!" instead of every year they say "Why did the Chiefs do that?"

The Patriots just signed a guy which allowed them to trade another guy. A change reaction that ended up with them improved in 3 different positions without cost themselves a damn thing. You can ****ing expect the Patriots to own shit by trading down in the draft again. I don't want to hear about how "it's just Brady" because it's not. The Pats are better than us on offense, defense and coaching.

Andy Reid hasn't ever won shit and he's surrounded himself with a bunch of jags players that make him feel better about himself.

We are the ****ing Kansas City Jags and we aren't ever going to win shit.

:sulk:

-King- 03-11-2017 04:45 PM

4 mil is a little much but 3rd safety is pretty much a starter in Sutton's defense and they're probably tired of the revolving door at that position.
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Chief Northman 03-11-2017 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779504)
I'm just so frustrated.

One year I would just like for everyone to say "Omg, how did the Chiefs do that?!?!" instead of every year they say "Why did the Chiefs do that?"

The Patriots just signed a guy which allowed them to trade another guy. A change reaction that ended up with them improved in 3 different positions without cost themselves a damn thing. You can ****ing expect the Patriots to own shit by trading down in the draft again. I don't want to hear about how "it's just Brady" because it's not. The Pats are better than us on offense, defense and coaching.

Andy Reid hasn't ever won shit and he's surrounded himself with a bunch of jags players that make him feel better about himself.

We are the ****ing Kansas City Jags and we aren't ever going to win shit.

:sulk:

Take ball, go home.

Bufkin 03-11-2017 05:35 PM

Mormon pride!

Chief Roundup 03-11-2017 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779504)
I'm just so frustrated.

One year I would just like for everyone to say "Omg, how did the Chiefs do that?!?!" instead of every year they say "Why did the Chiefs do that?"

The Patriots just signed a guy which allowed them to trade another guy. A change reaction that ended up with them improved in 3 different positions without cost themselves a damn thing. You can ****ing expect the Patriots to own shit by trading down in the draft again. I don't want to hear about how "it's just Brady" because it's not. The Pats are better than us on offense, defense and coaching.

Andy Reid hasn't ever won shit and he's surrounded himself with a bunch of jags players that make him feel better about himself.

We are the ****ing Kansas City Jags and we aren't ever going to win shit.

:sulk:

Because making splashes in FA is always a good thing. You know as well as anyone else that most of the time signing other teams FA doesn't pan out as well as the team hoped. It is generally better to retain your own players versus signing players other teams don't want to keep.

Everyone has wanted us to build our own team through the draft. Well this is what that looks like. People can't have it both ways.
Envy doesn't look good on you or anyone else for that matter.
The Jags have been in the AFCCG since we have been.

staylor26 03-11-2017 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779504)
I'm just so frustrated.

One year I would just like for everyone to say "Omg, how did the Chiefs do that?!?!" instead of every year they say "Why did the Chiefs do that?"

The Patriots just signed a guy which allowed them to trade another guy. A change reaction that ended up with them improved in 3 different positions without cost themselves a damn thing. You can ****ing expect the Patriots to own shit by trading down in the draft again. I don't want to hear about how "it's just Brady" because it's not. The Pats are better than us on offense, defense and coaching.

Andy Reid hasn't ever won shit and he's surrounded himself with a bunch of jags players that make him feel better about himself.

We are the ****ing Kansas City Jags and we aren't ever going to win shit.

:sulk:


****ING MORON LMAO

pugsnotdrugs19 03-11-2017 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12779563)
Because making splashes in FA is always a good thing. You know as well as anyone else that most of the time signing other teams FA doesn't pan out as well as the team hoped. It is generally better to retain your own players versus signing players other teams don't want to keep.

Everyone has wanted us to build our own team through the draft. Well this is what that looks like. People can't have it both ways.
Envy doesn't look good on you or anyone else for that matter.

Pretty much this x1000.

We could be throwing millions at B level players right now in FA, but instead the FO has used that dough to retain almost every good player we've had in recent years. I would much rather have it that way than to be the team who is constantly trying to fit new pieces into the puzzle that may not even fit.

Keeping guys like Berry, Houston, or Kelce is a much better option than paying player X to come in from the outside.

Direckshun 03-11-2017 06:32 PM

We've officially paid our safeties $100m this offseason.

Mr. Laz 03-11-2017 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12779569)
Pretty much this x1000.

We could be throwing millions at B level players right now in FA, but instead the FO has used that dough to retain almost every good player we've had in recent years. I would much rather have it that way than to be the team who is constantly trying to fit new pieces into the puzzle that may not even fit.

Keeping guys like Berry, Houston, or Kelce is a much better option than paying player X to come in from the outside.

we just did throw millions at B level players. They were just our own B level players.

We didn't keep Berry, Houston or Kelce.


We kept Berry, Sorenson and LDT.

So far we've added money and dropped talent from a team that wasn't good enough last year.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-11-2017 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779634)
we just did throw millions at B level players. They were just our own B level players.

We didn't keep Berry, Houston or Kelce.


We kept Berry, Sorenson and LDT.

So far we've added money and dropped talent from a team that wasn't good enough last year.

Yeah but you're still using your cap space on guys you've paid in the past, it doesn't matter if it was this offseason that they were signed.

We've still got plenty of opportunities to improve including the draft.

MTG#10 03-11-2017 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12779011)
Yes. **** this guy and **** this deal.

Racist

notorious 03-11-2017 07:02 PM

When Peters contract comes up.......JFC.

Mr. Laz 03-11-2017 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12779591)
We've officially paid our safeties $100m this offseason.

and we still need more talent at the position.

The best thing we can do is move Parker to slot corner permanently. Leaving Sorenson at 3rd safety and then pick up a stud SS in the draft.

FS - Eric Berry
SS - Jabrill Peppers
3rd safety - Daniel Soreson
4th safety - Eric Murray

At least the talent level would be significantly higher, especially if Murray lives up to his potential.

Peppers and Hodges would improve our run defense quite a bit.

JMO

staylor26 03-11-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779634)
we just did throw millions at B level players. They were just our own B level players.

We didn't keep Berry, Houston or Kelce.


We kept Berry, Sorenson and LDT.

So far we've added money and dropped talent from a team that wasn't good enough last year.

I thought it was all on Alex/Reid. Now it's the rest of the team that wasn't good enough? We all know the rest of the team is good enough. We just need a ****ing QB.

Mr. Laz 03-11-2017 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12779642)
We've still got plenty of opportunities to improve including the draft.

We need Dorsey to pull an A++ draft.

Draft is defense heavy, especially the secondary

Tightend is another good position

ILB,SS,CB,RB all need a significant talent boost (i don't think either Parker or Sorenson are good starters at SS)

A stud TE to pair with Kelce would be really nice.

Swing tackle is pretty much a must

QBoTF is what it is

staylor26 03-11-2017 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779648)
and we still need more talent at the position.

The best thing we can do is move Parker to slot corner permanently. Leaving Sorenson at 3rd safety and then pick up a stud SS in the draft.

FS - Eric Berry
SS - Jabrill Peppers
3rd safety - Daniel Soreson
4th safety - Eric Murray

At least the talent level would be significantly higher, especially if Murray lives up to his potential.

Peppers and Hodges would improve our run defense quite a bit.

JMO

JFC Nobody can be this stupid ROFL

Chief Roundup 03-11-2017 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779648)
and we still need more talent at the position.

The best thing we can do is move Parker to slot corner permanently. Leaving Sorenson at 3rd safety and then pick up a stud SS in the draft.

FS - Eric Berry
SS - Jabrill Peppers
3rd safety - Daniel Soreson
4th safety - Eric Murray

At least the talent level would be significantly higher, especially if Murray lives up to his potential.

Peppers and Hodges would improve our run defense quite a bit.

JMO

Already tried that and he was not good enough so they moved him to safety. Nelson is better at that position anyway.

Chief Roundup 03-11-2017 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779658)
We need Dorsey to pull an A++ draft.

Draft is defense heavy, especially the secondary

Tightend is another good position

ILB,SS,CB,RB all need a significant talent boost (i don't think either Parker or Sorenson are good starters at SS)

A stud TE to pair with Kelce would be really nice.

Swing tackle is pretty much a must

QBoTF is what it is

Really....our secondary was not the weakness on the defense once they put Mitchell in there instead of Gaines. We are full at the safety position whether you like it or not. It is highly unlikely with the contracts and such that we would draft a safety unless it is in the last couple of rounds.

Easy 6 03-11-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12779494)
Dorsey will figure it out. He surprised us last year with the Howard deal, Schwartz, and finding Reek/Jones. He's got a full set of picks plus 3 comps this year... time to feast!

This

RunKC 03-11-2017 07:32 PM

The Chiefs allowed only 15 TD's to WR's last season in 17 games counting the playoffs, and 4 of them were in Pittsburgh.

AB 2X
Amari Cooper 2X
Michael Crabtree 2X
Julio Jones
Keenan Allen
Emmanuel Sanders 2X
Demaryius Thomas 2X
Mike Evans
DeAndre Hopkins
Kelvin Benjamin
Brandon Marshall
TY Hilton
Brandon Cooks

15 total TD's vs all these great players. And they led the league in turnover margin too, but **** that! Laz knows better! **** John Dorsey! How could he want to keep this secondary together after such pathetic results?!

Mother****erJones 03-11-2017 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12779647)
When Peters contract comes up.......JFC.

That's why having a QB on a rookie deal with be beneficial. Front load that bitch.

Mother****erJones 03-11-2017 07:39 PM

Love this deal and Dirty Dan. This secondary is ****ing loaded. Now add a QB round 1 and fill out the depth with the other picks and we'll be really good again.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-11-2017 07:39 PM

Yep. With our defense being so costly but with prime years likely ahead, now is the time for the young QB. OL set, weapons are there and more will be added.

A young QB must be put in a good situation in this league to reach their ceiling, and KC is a prime destination for that right now.

Mother****erJones 03-11-2017 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12779684)
Yep. With our defense being so costly but with prime years likely ahead, now is the time for the young QB. OL set, weapons are there and more will be added.

A young QB must be put in a good situation in this league to reach their ceiling, and KC is a prime destination for that right now.

Others will come off the books as well as needing to extend Mitch Morse and Tyreek Hill along with Peters. We'll see about Dee Ford. I'm still not sold on paying him at all.

This is one of the very best situations a rookie QB could ask for. Steady front office and coaching, stacked and very good roster. Chemistry and locker room is also ideal for a rookie QB.

-King- 03-11-2017 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12779648)
and we still need more talent at the position.

The best thing we can do is move Parker to slot corner permanently. Leaving Sorenson at 3rd safety and then pick up a stud SS in the draft.

FS - Eric Berry
SS - Jabrill Peppers
3rd safety - Daniel Soreson
4th safety - Eric Murray

At least the talent level would be significantly higher, especially if Murray lives up to his potential.

Peppers and Hodges would improve our run defense quite a bit.

JMO

I don't understand how you watch football. Your football opinions aren't based on any tangible thing. Where do you get this idea that Parker is a good corner? In the games he's needed to play corner out of necessity, he's been the weak link by far. Only good game was the buffalo game. And he's a damn good deep safety so why would we change his position?
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saphojunkie 03-11-2017 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12779028)
He does okay in his role in pass defense, but he's also asked to play in the box, where he is a liability.

And this has nothing to do with meaningless accolades, and I have never played Madden.

I also think that Berry is overpaid, and I'm a big fan of Berry.

Oh, I get it... you don't understand that safeties are important. :)

saphojunkie 03-11-2017 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12779230)
Yup.

This is a big-time coach's pet misstep.

There's no way on earth that Sorenson would've made that much on the open market; nothing even close. We just paid a hometown premium while dealing with a tight cap.

We'll see how much of this is guaranteed but unless there's pretty much zero in GTD money, this is a mistake.

Racist

gblowfish 03-11-2017 08:29 PM

Cool! Now he can add four or five more wives!

pugsnotdrugs19 03-11-2017 08:41 PM

On a completely unrelated noted, does anyone else consistently forget that Denver has a brand new coaching staff? I still haven't gotten use to it.

I'll be interested to see how their defense is without Phillips.

Bowser 03-11-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12779739)
On a completely unrelated noted, does anyone else consistently forget that Denver has a brand new coaching staff? I still haven't gotten use to it.

I'll be interested to see how their defense is without Phillips.

Hopefully what happens to their defense is the same thing that happened to our offense when Herm took over - it completely went to shit.

ThaVirus 03-11-2017 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12779020)
Find someone who can nab you 60+ tackles, 3 INT, forced fumbles and has the position versatility he has for $4 million per or less not on a rookie contract.

Bitching for the sake of bitching. It ain't your money, so why the butthurt? Guy knows the system, is loved in the locker room and can ball.

But I get it - he wasn't voted to the PROBOWL and his Madden rankings/stats are just ok.

Dummies.

We could find someone on the scrap heap to contribute at the position like we have every year since Dorsey's been here. Dude's got the Midas touch when it comes to scrap heap safeties.

mdchiefsfan 03-11-2017 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12779028)
He does okay in his role in pass defense, but he's also asked to play in the box, where he is a liability.

And this has nothing to do with meaningless accolades, and I have never played Madden.

I also think that Berry is overpaid, and I'm a big fan of Berry.

May be late to the party, but just saw this and am responding. DJ's injury could've led to him being played in the box more, which I agree is beyond his capabilities. If we can find a legit option in the middle, I think we can maximize Sorenson's strengths.

philfree 03-11-2017 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12779788)
We could find someone on the scrap heap to contribute at the position like we have every year since Dorsey's been here. Dude's got the Midas touch when it comes to scrap heap safeties.

Apparently Dorsey felt otherwise.

mdchiefsfan 03-11-2017 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12779788)
We could find someone on the scrap heap to contribute at the position like we have every year since Dorsey's been here. Dude's got the Midas touch when it comes to scrap heap safeties.

If Dorsey's strength is finding a player to fill a void, yet Dorsey decides to extend a player that he previously signed to fill a void, what does that tell you?

ThaVirus 03-11-2017 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 12779793)
Apparently Dorsey felt otherwise.

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 12779794)
If Dorsey's strength is finding a player to fill a void, yet Dorsey decides to extend a player that he previously signed to fill a void, what does that tell you?

We've still got Alex so **** both of you.

ThaVirus 03-11-2017 10:30 PM

LOL That was harsh but you've gotta feel me!

beach tribe 03-12-2017 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12779163)
I hadn't realized untilt the past couple of weeks upon re-watching just how much dime package Sutton used against Pittsburgh. Basically sat in it all night vs. 3 WRs.

That can't happen against Pittsburgh's OL. Not blaming Sorensen for that gameplannning miscue.

Kept them from scoring a single TD.

Had the offense been able to score 20 FN points, it looks like the right call.

mdchiefsfan 03-12-2017 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12779796)
We've still got Alex so **** both of you.

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12779797)
LOL That was harsh but you've gotta feel me!

ROFL :thumb:


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