It's a legitimate question. One I'm sure that most of us have considered at least a little bit. Still, I don't believe that will happen. Will he be a HOFer? I don't know about that but I have faith that he will be a good pro QB.

If he does turn out to be a bust, you draft a QB again. Keep drafting one until you find "the guy". Will the Chiefs do this? TBD

That's really the only option...

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****ing idiot. That Locker comparison you keep throwing around is awful.

I too think he will bust for a number of reasons not worth arguing about. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. I love the Chiefs and would love nothing more than to have a true franchise QB to watch on Sundays.

If he's a bust, you draft another QB and go from there. A fairly straightforward strategy that the Chiefs seem to be reluctant to try.

Why? The reality is first round QBs bust far more often than they succeed. You are the idiot if you want to go all in on Mahommes and stop drafting QBs. You should know better.

To expand on this, the most likely scenario for ANY qb is that they don't work out. There are only about 20 decent QBs in the league, and only about 6-8 that are good enough to win a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, dozens of prospects come out of school every year and are signed to NFL teams.

So, the chance are that Mahomes won't work out. But if he doesn't, you're no worse off than if you spent 5 years with an Alex Smith. Still no Super Bowls.

If 3-4 years go by and he's not maturing, then you start over and draft another. You haven't won the QB lottery but you haven't lost anything. Really. Unless you're a true fan that cares about assuring wild card berths and being 'watchable' or 'competitive' more than anything.

Because that Locker comparison that you keep throwing around is awful. The guy never completed more than 60% of his passes and wasn’t quite the arm talent that Mahomes is.

Locker had no passion to play, so he didn't put in the work.

Have you seen evidence that mohomes lacks passion and isn't putting in the work?

Of course they'll draft a QB again. But there's a big difference between drafting an Aaron Murray in the mid rounds versus trading several early round picks for a Mahomes. The former you can essentially do until you're blue in the face and have a semi-competent franchise; the latter you only have so many opportunities before you decimate the young core of your team.

I didn't trust this franchise to trade up to get Mahomes in the first place. If that "gamble"/calculated risk fails, I suspect they get even more risk averse in that respect. Let's hope they got Mahomes right because I think it'll be a long dry spell in the future if not.

What if aliens invade Earth tomorrow and none of this matters?

Just will not be next in the next 2 years. Have to give him a chance. When you essentially use 2 first round picks on a player, you better be right or it sets a franchise back at least 3 years.

Patrick loves football he will be fine and so will we.


We will get to enjoy football games for a change and always be in games as this offense will have what it takes to move the ball and score touchdowns.

What exactly do you have to base that on, besides trying to be argumentative?

Heh. Just trying have some fun and ruffle feathers. Some members know that about 98% of what I post is sarcasm. I live and die with the Chiefs. Since I was 5 years old watching the Christmas Day game. I want Mahomes to win multiple SB titles. We all do. But the odds of this are certainly stacked against him when NFL history is reviewed. I take the game seriously. But not too seriously. I take life seriously. But not too seriously. There is certainly more to life than fixed Nfl games. A little sarcastic relief is good for all of us, IMO.

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A lot of the QBs that bust have one thing in common, so we hear. They don't love the game, they don't love 'the grind'. Seriously, just think about it.

By all accounts, that isn't Patrick's way. Everyone says he loves football, and I even saw on GMFB today that Mike Garafolo said he has heard that Mahomes is really impressing people with his work ethic on and off the field. Terez wrote about that in his bye week article too.

Patrick Mahomes wants to be legendary.

Heh. Just trying have some fun and ruffle feathers. Some members know that about 98% of what I post is sarcasm. I live and die with the Chiefs. Since I was 5 years old watching the Christmas Day game. I want Mahomes to win multiple SB titles. We all do. But the odds of this are certainly stacked against him when NFL history is reviewed. I take the game seriously. But not too seriously. I take life seriously. But not too seriously. There is certainly more to life than fixed Nfl games. A little sarcastic relief is good for all of us, IMO.

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And so far he's doing everything right.

Staying off social media (or at least not making an ass of himself there) and learning.

I really wanted Alex to hold him off but Smith has just gone to shit. Just, terrible play at the QB position.

Links? I need some new material to masturbate to

I actually can envision a scenario where in 5-6 years we all look back at Alex Smith fondly. I imagine a scenario where Mahomes is shining as an 'elite' QB, and he credits Smith for helping him out his rookie year... at least I hope that is how it goes. Not only cause it means Mahomes would be great, but because I don't want to hate Alex. His biggest defenders make it hard not to, but I really do appreciate the way he has handled this situation.

Here is the video from this morning ---> http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...es-this-season

Kay Adams kinda cut him off early on it, but he got some information out nonetheless. A lot of good videos on that page.

I like this one too. Kyle Brandt says its time for the Chiefs to save their season before it is too late. ----> http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...e-their-season

He was semi mobile with a big arm. He wasn't "clutch" in college. Never led many comebacks or game winning drives. He came from a similar system that created space for receivers to be wide open. The fact is that A&M's gimmick offense is well known and basically all the "experts" bring it up when talking about Mahomme's college completion percentage. It's easy to see if you watch the film. Almost Every play is a rub or pick. Also, Mahommes doesn't have an NFL completion percentage yet. Things aren't going to be the same as they were in college. Their backgrounds are very similar. Locker got the Fabre comparisons too. Again, Mahommes floor is Locker and his ceiling is Farve imo. Mahommes has potential and potential means he hasn't done anything yet. He can wow people with his arm but whether or not he can put a team on his back and carry them when they need it most is yet to be determined. That's why I wanted Watson. He did it in college and he's already done it in the pros. Mahommes has a lot to prove before I crown him. He is the epitome of a boom or bust prospect.

I think a move could be made this time next week pending results from the NYJ game, but Andy probably isn't going to make a change until the Chiefs are completely out of first place, as shitty as that sounds.

Heh. The instrument has yet to be invented that measures my disdain for whatever name he is this week.
By the way, and I have said this before, you are my favorite poster.
No homo.
No sarcasm.

Wow? How did that happen. Never seen the phenomenon of the delayed double post. Must be a server thing. Someone contact Kyle.

What the **** with some of these Analyst bullshit. My god.

"Uh uh Peterman! Look at what happened when Buffalo put in Peterman! He could throw tons of picks like Peterman did!"

Too bad we have interviews with Smith saying the opposite...

It's pretty strange to want to wait until there's no chance of the playoffs before benching your crappy QB. It's like Andy assumes this whole thing will only get worse if Mahomes is starting and there's no evidence to prove that would be the case.

Scared pussy. What THE **** is ALEX doing? What has he proven?

Actually, no evidence exists that a switch will result in either improvement or decline.

Check the All-22 Thread

Exactly. So why not ****ing find out? As it stands it's a sinking ship and we won't know if the life vests will work unless we put them on.

I have no argument with your statement. You seem level headed and reasonable. Unlike others.......

Andy watches and talks to them every day of the week. Probably 360 days a year. I think he knows why if he does or doesn't make a change. We have no idea what's going on when it comes down to it.

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Scared? Wtf are you talking about? I didn't even mention Alice in that post. I am just realistic.

Andy, the plane is running out of fuel, we need to land! "I'm not there yet, I gotta finish these ribs first"

Scared to make the change.

Not scared at all. I just know Reid won't do it and I understand why.

1. Reid doesn't think Mahommes is ready.

2. We are in first place and have a winning record.

3. Alex is a proven winner and Reid trusts him.


No stop acting like a little bitch and see reality.

1. Has Andy said this?

2. Barely, so wait until the lead is completely lost? Stupid.


3. What the **** has he won to garner any trust? Ben and Brady are proven winners.


You stupid as a mutha****a.

If Mahomes lost both arms in a car accident and had to resort to shooting footballs out of his ass, he'd still have better pocket presence and be a better downfield passer than Smith/Cassel. So relatively speaking, there's really no chance that he "fails".

I wouldn't be surprised or shocked because the Chiefs are a cursed franchise

To continue the plane analogy this is like saying even though we've plummeted 10.000 feet it's going to be okay I mean we've already flown 500 miles!

Denial. I understand your pain. It's ok man.

We have a parachute if we need it. Reid isn't ready to eject. He thinks we can land this bird! lol

Why are you guys flipping out about this? Right after we drafted him Reid said he wasn't ready to play, he wouldn't play for a while, and he is unpolished. Mahommes never figured into the Chiefs 2017 plans.

Get over it. You are getting your hopes up for nothing.

Scared coward you are, Bob

You guys should stop debating a reeruned troll.

OP Alex Smith or a friend/family of Alex trying to scare some of the weak minded Chiefs fans?

I know, it would make more sense to compare him to Watson seeing how he was picked before him, although neither comparison is necessary. Mahomes will write his own story.

Then we move on. Draft another QB.

Give the guy a couple seasons and see how he's progressing and make decisions going forward. I"d like to give him about 5 games to jump start those two seasons.

I don't anticipate Alex being benched. I think the team has been clear about their plans this season come hell or high water.

I just don't see the point in riding out a collapsing season with a lame duck QB, but it seems a lot of vets probably want to see Alex sink his own battle ship before moving on.

It simply isnt a possibility that I can envision for a number of reasons...

1) Start with the pure physical talent

2) Raised in pro ball home, he knows the effort it takes to be a pro baller

3) Sports have been his whole life all along, there are no passion for the game issues

4) He grew up with money, he wont go stupid or get lazy after banking several million

5) Reid clearly intends to groom him the right way, Pat is going to have a great teacher and be given the chance to grow into the position

6) He knows how to handle on the field adversity, Texas Tech was basically just him and a bunch of jags... he has plenty of experience fighting back against overwhelming odds

Case Keenum and Jared Goff came from the same college spread system. Other spread QB's like Marriotta, Cam, Big Ben, Dak and Watson have been successful. The NFL is turning into a spread college style offense league.

And Mahomes carried a sorry football team. They would have been blown out in every game if it wasn't for Pat.

Pat didn't have all world players surrounding him like Watson.

Mahomes will be fine. I'm not worried about him failing at all. Kids got it and he has a great teacher in Andy 'All I Do Is Make The Playoffs' Reid

Did the Bronco fans ask this last year?

What if Lynch fails as an NFL QB?

I know this isn't something that's pleasant to think about, but I'm curious as to what this franchise would do if Lynch turns out to be a bust.

Do you think we draft another QB in the first round? Or do we go full Donkos and draft a late round project like Trevor Siemian again?

Ideally Lynch is the QB here for 15 years on his way to multiple SuperBowl titles and the Hall of Fame. That's the dream, anyway.

He might forget how to play after waiting for hell to freeze over

Locker is a terrible comparison. It's like comparing an apple to a green bean.

Locker played in a spread option (see Kansas State as a foundation to others) offense his first 2 years then went to a prostyle offense. Mahomes came from an Air Raid offense. Like Goff and Keenum that is nothing like Locker has ever seen.
Locker had accuracy issues where Mahomes is very accurate.
Locker had terrible pocket awareness and field vision and Mahomes is one of the best I've ever seen from a rookie, albeit preseason.
Locker is much more mobile, similar to Ironically, Alex Smith than Mahomes who is much more of a pocket QB with movement.
Locker was injury prone....Mahomes, knock on wood, isn't.
Both had a strong arm (Mahomes is stronger...elite of the elite stronger). Both have a quick release...i'm not sure who's better here but Mahomes is very fast.

I for one am glad the Chiefs didn't draft Watson. He smells like bust. I don't care about his godly numbers for 5 games before he got injured. What I saw against the Chiefs and another game he had was basically throwing hailmary 50/50 balls to the best WR in the NFL. He was awful for the first 3 1/2 quarters against the Chiefs and gained yards and scores against a prevent defense. He did it in college with a team full of NFL prospects against teams without NFL prospects for the most part. Mahomes did it with players that won't sniff the NFL.

I'm too old to even think about this question.

Bullshit. The #1 pick came from his team.

Look at Dak. That's a guy who carried a team. That's a guy who led comebacks at Alabama etc.

Did you watch the national championship? Did you see the beating Watson took in that game?

The offense Mahommes played in was not your average spread. You should watch the video at draft breakdown and study the offense. Bumps, rubs, and picks on every other play. There is clearly more bad than good. However, the good is REALLY GOOD and rare.

I saw you said “A&M” in response to me and chalked it up to a simple mistake, but now it’s obvious it wasn’t.

You don’t even know what team the guy played for and you want us to take your evaluation seriously?

LMAO

Nice evaluation. Thanks for sharing.

I think you're the ONLY one on the planet that thinks Watson "smells like a bust." Just wow...:rolleyes:

Yea, one thing I loved about Mahomes that not a lot of people mention is his lack of weapons.

There’s something about QB prospects without weapons that gives me a little more confidence in the guy.



Who did Rodgers have at Cal? Wilson? Roethlisberger? Rivers? Wentz? Goff? Luck?

Meanwhile, guys like Winston, Mariota, Manziel, Watson, Bortles, Bridgewater, etc. had stud NFL caliber weapons on offense.

Mahomes played for T Tech, Not T A&M. The # 1 pick in the draft came from T A&M. Mahomes' Texas Tech team was not all that talented at all. If it wasn't for him, it would have been be a 3-4 win team. Tops.

Guess you don't read that much do you.

As a Chiefs fan I have to ask......

What's the definition of fail?

They cheat. That's how.

We spend 10 years making excuses and trying to surround him with moar weapons.

Bob, dude, have you ever tried NOT being a total contrarian?

I'm not saying you have to copy your opinions based on what everybody else is saying. But... don't you think you'd make more friends around here if you just once in awhile didn't say something totally off the wall?

Jake Locker... sheesh.

Not stupid shit like what you're spewing.
Let me get this straight, Watson "Smells like BUST" to you, even though he was on pace to have the best season of all time for a rookie QB???

Even though I strongly disagree, you're entitled to your opinion.

The best part about QBs is the Chiefs baiting Elway into Lynch...then ending up with a true franchise guy in Mahomes. That was amazing.

Wait a minute... so you have the "best WR in the NFL" and you don't trust him to make a play?

Sounds a lot like Alex Smith mindset to me.


If you have the PLAYMAKERS... USE THEM!!!

Why do you think Calvin Johnson was the best WR in the NFL at one point? Because Stafford just threw it up and let him play it.

Which is funny because all of these Alex Smith lovers chat about "well, if the Chiefs had talent at the WR position...." Like Alex would utilize it...