Absolutely agree but if you have all this great technology then get the damn play called right no matter how much time it takes.

IMO instant replay,concussion protocol,former refs in the broadcast booth are just additions that can help manipulate a game and convince the viewer of why certain calls are being made.

Tennessee is not as NFL crazed as we are. It's a CFB state. I think the refs either wanted a closer game, they wanted a cupcake for Brady, or maybe they just wanted a young "name" quarterback to win a playoff game

Well the one thing I have not seen mentioned here is Vegas,don't forget the spread opened at KC -7.5 and closed at -9 which means bettors were betting KC big.

All four underdogs covered Vegas spreads this weekend and every favorite was -6 or higher which seemed very plausible based on the match-ups.

Interesting. You may be on to something.

A good example of the disconnect between officials and everyone else is remember the Chiefs/Cardinals game? Mike Carey and Trent Green literally disagreed on every single questionable call. I thought Trent was gonna call him a ****ing moron on TV at one point.

All the refs in the booth are there for is to defend the calls made.

I'm 100% convinced I am after the 28 point debacle against the Colts,hell KC had 3 players lost to concussion protocol and Charles was on the sideline pleading his case to go back in and don't even get me started on the Vegas spread on that game that opened at Indy -1 and closed at KC -2 and Indy ends up winning by what?

If you watch all those numbers and then the game outcomes it starts looking extremely fishy.

Since Lamar Hunt forced his way into the league and then won it all.. well sometimes I think there's a deal in place that will never allow the Chiefs to win it all again. Those old bastards had to hate Lamar for what he did to their league. So it wasn't about propping up Tennessee it was about holding down the Chiefs.

I'm not saying I really believe that but it would explain how there's always messed calls in every Chiefs home playoff loss.

The NFL doesn't like being embarrassed. NFL news these days is like TMZ. They love reporting crap more than the game. That's why Andy needs to take a bullet one time and go off in a press conference on the officiating. It will draw headlines for days and bring attention to one of the real factors why people aren't watching the game and why they think it's fixed.

As a resident of Nashville - Davidson county I can tell you that it is growing at an incredible pace. The housing market cannot keep up with the demand.

I watch NFL Vegas spreads and over/unders religiously,every game all season long and I watch a helluva lot of games and yes it's amazing how many games have calls that affect those numbers.

BTW,not just refs,Christmas night Philly was favored over Oakland by 10 and it was late in 4th 13-10 Philly.Oakland loses ball Philly D scores making it 19-10 so now with the extra point at least it lands on 10 and bettors get a push or their money back but no Philly opts to not kick the extra point keeping it at 9 and the game is over.And Foles or not we all know Oakland had no business being in that game that late.

Lastly,I do very little betting so this not a butthurt theory because I lose money on the games,it's become a hobby for me and one that in all honesty breaks my ****ing heart because I use to love this game so much.

What needs to happen is the fans need to say enough is enough and start sending letters, posting on social media, boycott sponsors, and yes, maybe even fly banners. What is the NFL going to do, not let us go to a draft party? Screw this nonsense every freaking week. I don't care if the zebras have it out for someone, they've been told to keep the games close, or whatever else might be a reason, this crap has got to stop. If I want to see some pretty young thing get the calls, I think I'll just start watching women's WWE. Now that's entertainment.

I'm not going to say it's "staged" or "scripted", but as soon as Triplette lied about forward progress to negate our right to challenge possession, our game became illegitimate.

It was a bad call to start with, that I think was made on purpose....but it was just a bad call, that we could legally challenge however, so whatever.

When Triplette lied and said there was forward progress and therfore we can't challenge, the entire game became illegitimate. Doesn't matter that there was a whole half to play, doesn't matter we had 500 chances, would not have mattered if we won by 50 or lost by 60. As soon as Triplette lied, circumventing the rulebook to keep things close, for whatever agenda, the whole thing wbecame 100 percent illegitimate.

And I agree with everyone on here that the younger generation, they ain't buying it. They can log into the internet and have casual sex with 1000s of chicks in their own area, sometimes 2,3 different girls a day, anytime they want. Why would they deny themselves that to watch a bunch of 3 hour shows that constantly look, act, and feel bogus?

I’m 95% sure it’s 10% rigged or sometimes it is, WTF am I saying, NFL is and have always been rigged the Mafia’s been there since the 60’s. It’s painfully obvious to anyone who isn’t an American. So easy to be a Chiefs fan.

There's no reason to believe in some massive game-fixing conspiracy. The problems with officiating are obvious.

Some crews, like Triplette's, are incompetent, and the league doesn't hold them accountable.

The league has also made many complex rule changes that make it nearly impossible for anyone - referee or otherwise - to explain some of them.

You combine those two things, and it's a fatal mix.

If there's a scandal regarding the Chiefs game, it's that Triplette was given a playoff game as a retirement gift when his crew sucked. The NFL's feet should be held to the fire about that one.

And going forward, the fan base should demand that the NFL improve the quality and accountability in officiating and simplify the rules so that fans get accurate decisions from the officials and actually believe the officials' decisions when they are made.

Not at all,even if the 1919 World series,'78-'79 Boston College Scandal,Tim Donaghy '07 NBA scandal happened there's no reason to even entertain the idea it might be happening in the NFL?

We're not talking about a handful of players shaving points here, these tinfoilers are alleging the NFL is running a centralized conspiracy league-wide to manipulate most outcomes, which would involve hundreds and hundreds of people over decades, none of whom have ever let a peep slip out about it.

And, of course, when the outcomes go our way or go against teams we don't like, nobody thinks there's any corruption. They probably tried to swing that game but failed. It's all confirmation bias

Officiating is so horridly reeruned that it defeats the purpose of even playing the game. I see holdings and blocks in the back all day long with no flags and then they call it when it DOESN'T happen just to **** us out of a huge play that might have won us the game.

It was the same last season with the Steelers 2 point conversion. That was a holding on Fisher but the fact they chose to call it there and not the other 80 times it happened is just dumb.

That "forward progress" fumble by Mariota was possibly THE worst call I've seen. It just makes no sense on any level. He was hit and lost the ball. Bang bang. What's the point of these stupid games? Oh yeah...to steal money from people.

It's human error. In real time with the human eye most things go unseen. When every player has a camera on them and slowed down to super slow motion things are seen. When you attend a game live, you don't notice 99% of the shit that is called out.

Just saw some still photos on Newton being outside the box on the grounding call.

Is that a reviewable play?

I've said it for years now...refs are ruining the NFL.

It's getting to be unwatchable.

Not now.

I wouldn't say none,there's one helluva read out there called Interference:How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football.

If nothing else just watch the first 35 seconds of this....

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One more thing while we are talking about the NFL. I know this concussion protocol is supposed to help player safety but in my opinion it could be detrimental to player because teams could target star players to knock them out of games due to the protocol(Travis Kelce).

It was iffy to tell in real time.

I thought he was outside the pocket. At worst he lets go of the ball on the same line his RT started from.

What I found amazing is how there was no review on the interception that actually hurt the Panthers. It was under 2 minutes so it would have to come from the officiating crew. How did they decide that the Panthers player completed the catch? I thought it was pretty obvious that he didn't catch it and it should have been a turnover on downs near midfield, but I was at a restaurant that had the game on and didn't get a real good look at it so what do I know.

No,you are correct,in fact one the Carolina defenders was by the ref doing the incomplete gesture,that play should have been reviewed.Don't get it at all you make a rule and then don't even follow it.

I just don't see it that way... he was clearly trying to avoid a sack in the pocket. Cam might have moved 18 inches to the right of his original dropback.

Winners win.

Losers complain about the refs.

Perennial losers complain about the refs AND say the game is rigged.

Most of you sound like ****ing crybabies 24/7. It’s not the NFL’s fault your ownership sucks. It’s not the NFL’s fault your HC is solid but not great. It’s not the NFL’s fault you haven’t had decent QBs. Shut... the... ****... up.

That is bad, as bad as the Chiefs game. I have watched zero football since then.

Totally lost interest in it for now, even took the NFL app off of my phone.

No way it could be fixed on such massive scale.. Well why not? Besides you don't need many in on it. If rigged is so offensive to you call it what it is entertainment, kill the child inside you and enjoy. Now chins up PMII is gonna bring entertainment for the masses. Stop praying to the football gods cuz we cursed lmao give me a break.

:clap: There it is.

Deflate all you want patsie, lucky for you 9/11 happened.

**** you n00b, STFU.

They must be ready for mahomes too...

LMAO

What cracks me up is everyone wants to toss this stat and that stat around but when it comes to numbers,those are the real stats the majority of the time.

You misunderstand the rule:

The TV broadcast even drew the lines for the tacklebox for you at one point, proving he was not out of it (not to mention no receiver even in the picture).

I said this when we played the Raiders on TNF this year. They stole that game from us.

What site do you use to follow the line? It might be useful.....

Exactly, and we are talking many, many millions of dollars each week.

Last time I checked, these refs are not paid all that well. $173,000 is a pittance compared to players and coaches.

There were players on that field getting over a million dollars per game!

Not me - quit wondering long ago.

Now, I just watch to confirm why I don't spend any money on that crap anymore.

I used to be the biggest Chiefs fan around, but now I'm jaded to the core.

You mean most teams don't get as many untimed downs as it takes to get the winning score?

Yep and that game was huge for the NFL, it brought the Chiefs back in sight and made a California team relevant again. The Raiders are a national brand.

It kind of makes you wonder when you see some players not giving it their all towards the end of a game like that. Maybe they suspect something and feel there is no use.

Could be an explanation why Andy doesn't get worked up when the Chiefs get ****ed, he is clued into which way things are going to go.

scoresandodds.com

Thanks

Yup.

Just like the announcers said "foward progress?? Ok, and we're moving on..."

If you're Pitt and NE, you get those calls and you're a winner and have nothing to complain about.

At the game watching the replay and watching video of the play after the game.
I have no ****ing clue why dipshit Tripplet blew the whistle on DJ's sack force fumble which should have gone for 6 and 10 point swing.

There is no such thing as forward progress on a ****ing sack when the QB just gets smoked.

I just don't get it.

I liked how Cam Newton couldn't make it off the field under his own power and he was back after missing one play. It was a "visor in the eye" problem. Instant replay has gotten to be a farce. I don't care if Triplette said "forward progress", replay was started to be able to fix crap like that. During the review it clearly showed a fumble and recovery by KC. Since the whistle had been blown I would of been fine with awarding the ball to KC at the spot because the whistle could have caused players to let up at that point. You shouldn't need lawyers and perfect ****ing grammar to fix a blown call.

Wonder why it isn't... Hmmm. Can't put my finger on it...

Speaking of the Falcons-Rams game...

At the end of the first half, the Rams are driving down the field. They are out of timeouts when a receiver catches the ball inside the 20. The players rush up to spike the ball when the refs stop the clock to review the play, even though it was obviously a catch.

They review and confirm the catch. The clock doesn't start again until they snap the ball. However, at the end of the Seahawks-Lions game earlier in the season, a similar review had a 10 second runoff that ended the game. How come there wasn't a 10 second runoff in the Rams game?

They basically gave the Rams a free timeout. They also stopped the clock again for them and review a previous play after the Rams clocked the ball (I've never heard the rule that you could review a previous play after a new one was run if there was a defensive penalty on that play). It was a weird series of events and really looked like they were giving the Rams chance after chance to score there.

I don't believe there is a conspiracy but I do think they have made all of this way too complicated and the refs can't keep up with it. I also think they need to have way more cameras so we can eliminate this "no clear view" bullshit.

Not trying to convince anyone of anything but WHAT IF certain refs are just trying to keep a game within the point spread and then the favorite i.e. Chiefs in this case just can't overcome it and lose outright.

I will take replacement refs every day. At least everyone will get equally screwed.

It's so easy to say that when you're team is given the benefit of these calls constantly. Perspective means something when it comes to this...

Someone cue up that clip of Walt Coleman during a review going "just give it to them"

Wait, is that dude a Pats fan?

I actually miss the replacement refs. The real ones are incompetent too (case in point: the ten-second runoff fiasco in the Saints/Panthers game). At least with the replacement refs, the Important Teams were being treated the same as everyone else for once.

Yes he is, he's been here since the Cassel Piol days, several of them are still here. I bet the Alex blowhards don't leave either.

I preface this by saying I don't believe the refs fix games, but bias is out there.

If you're going to blow an 18 point lead in a half it takes all of the following.

1. Get ****ed by the refs on some calls.
2. Moron coaching
3. Ridiculous lucky plays.

Before the game I'd have said it would take a turnover too, but Reid outperformed the standard there. **** my life.

If you're tin foiling up, it's because the Chiefs handed the Cheatriots a bad L and they don't want any part of that.

I'm not there or else they'd have started in sooner. The whole Mariotta pass to himself for 6 was just Chiefs luck. It's more likely they said to each other that we ought to give TENN a break. Not know the Chiefs can Chief off any lead at any time.

Holy hell. I forgot about the spot. ROFL That is really really bad officiating. Remote sensing needs to happen. Now.

The refs are shit and butt**** all teams through shitterrible calls throughout the year.

However, to ignore the bias out there is shortsighted. Especially after that one douchebucket told Cam he hadn't "earned" that call yet. If your position is that the butt****ing from calls is random, man, that's as head-in-the-sand as there has ever been.

Even so far as Von Douche launching at Smith long after he'd thrown the ball and getting no fine while Hali tried to get to Manning while some ****ing elephant was sitting on his back got fined.

Right. The margin on almost all of these games is a turnover (**** you Tripplett), doinking a kick, hitting some big play or getting a big sack that can be tremendously affected by OPI, DPI, holding, blocks in the back, whatever. There is no argument that the officiating is ****ing hogwash all over the league and it is detrimental to the game. Whether or not it is detrimental to their earnings, I don't know. But the game is a big pile of ****ing ****.

A buddy of mine proposed that if a dude is headhunting, he needs to be out as long as the guy is hurt on top of the yardage. If it is a play, whatever, if it is the rest of the year so be it. And maybe you need to make it any helmet to helmet that leads to a concussion so you take the subjectivity out of it. But that needs to happen if there is any shot at getting dumb****s to stop.

Interestingly, LeBatard today was ranting about the concussion thing and his position was that even with all the independent shit and all that teams are still finding a way to get dudes out there. He had a bunch of examples of dudes going into the tent for a split second and back out there after they took giant blows to their dome and were at least very likely concussed.

I don't care as much about what he's getting at because at this point, dudes know about concussions and if they don't give a **** why should I? But goddamn it. How the hell could we not get Charles back in the Indy game when he by all accounts didn't have one and all these other mother****ers that are loopy as **** can get around it?

Lick my ****ing taint twat waffle. They ****ing changed the rules when our guy hit your guy so I don't want to ****ing hear it from your **** ass.

Besides that though, in addition to rooting for this ****fest of a team, I also root for KU, who wins and gets calls. I rail against officiating in that sport too, because it too is inconsistent. Even when it goes for my team. In college ball there is virtually nothing that is called the same between the early games and tournament games except for maybe lane violations. And I ****ing hate it. Even if my team is the one winning and getting some calls. **** that bullshit. Call what's there.

So you can **** right the **** off with your mother****ing grandstanding from the position of an entitled ****ing ****.

This is false.
Stop posting.

Eat a dick you cock-loving piece of shit.

I was never on this train but am after Saturday. And Mahomes won't fix it.

Personally, I don't like the throw away rule if you are out of the pocket. Huge disadvantage to the defense, which unfortunately, most penalties against them are. I say if you want to throw the ball away to avoid a sack or stop the clock, fine. The ball is placed at the spot where you decided to throw it away. I believe the rule was put in place to protect the referees when it's obvious the quarterback is simply throwing the ball away to avoid a sack. Really seems wrong on all counts.

We do have a choice... stop watching, buying NFL products, talking about the teams, etc.

Bite your tongue.

When Mahomes becomes the next Peyton/Brady/Rodgers all rolled into one, he sure as hell better.

:harumph:

We are going to hear the meltdowns of Pats, Broncos, etc fans when they finally get the shit end of the stick over and over.

If Mahomes works out, that is. Looks promising, but I won't hold my breath.

We will still be in KC.

Yes, it's a rigged system. Always was. That's why the only chance is to rig the system in your favor and start Mahomes.

Peyton Manning was in ****ing Indianapolis.

You might want to develop a new hobby, then, because this is how it works now.

So the NFL was on full display this weekend
 

Rich Eisen showed a picture Eric Stonestreet sent him showing Triplette in the background when DJ decleated Mariota & the whistle wasn't in his mouth & his arms were by his side.

No way.


Wow.

Yes way.

I refuse to take any game result seriously. This sport is a ****ing joke.


Look at the first Raider game. Also, Pitt and New England gets a flag EVERY time on our last offensive possession.

Huh?

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Whistle in his mouth and arm in the air.

Btw, it wouldn't have been run back for a TD. Houston was wrapped up by a Titans player after he picked up the ball but the Titans player let him go because of the whistle.

Thats not at real speed.

As soon as Mariota hits the ground hes blowing his whistle and raising his hand calling the play dead.

I'm not really sure what we are trying to say here because the only still picture that could have been shown would be Mariota literally mid air with Triplette not calling the play dead.

I get that but I just dont know what the significance would be.

He clearly blew the play dead. So he didn't have his whistle in his mouth at the very moment DJ hit him? Ok?

Reasons for the NFL to push Nashville:
- Nashville is a growing market.
- The Titans have actually had increased attendance this season, as opposed to the rest of the league. The NFL already knows KC fans will always show up.
- The Titans drafted a QB in the 1st round who hasn't had much success. The NFL wants to promote the "next generation" of QBs
- Aside from having competition from entrenched CFB teams, the NHL's Nashville Predators are also threatening to steal away the NFL's $$$. (They're at 100.3% capacity in terms of attendance)

Pushing the Titans forward makes a lot of sense for the NFL. They want to create the same type of market they have in KC. Always there, no matter what.

This is sad. This is what Football has turned into. A soap opera and cover ups of their own design. Please go down the toilet and don't come back.