Then pitch him in the later innings not the first! How hard is that to figure out?we didn't need him the first half as much as we did the second half. It wasn't like he played 10 snaps..HE PLAYED THE WHOLE FIRST HALF! I understand the whole pitch count thing. He has barely played in 2 years..but he said he wasn't hurt or in pain..guess they didn't want it that bad. Huh

Actually there is no track record of them not being honest, this is a made up narrative.

And another thing..it wasn't like we lost on a last second fluke play that he wasn't out there..our defense was hemorrhaging for the last 5+ min of the damn game!! Tell the guy to get warmed up and put him out there! It's not like we couldn't have used that win.. especially being up 14 with 5 and some change to play!

Berry hasn't played in almost 2 years. Hasn't had full contact. People expect him to jog on the sideline for 2 minutes and enter the game? That's not a recipe for a major injury.

There is an article on the Athletic where Berry says that was the plan the whole time and they were not going to deviate from it. Take it how you want.

Then I guess we all got what we deserved..lol I'm pissed because I stayed up to watch that BS..and only got 2 hrs sleep.. Thanks Bob

It probably was. And it's safe to say that plan blew up right in their faces.

Well usually plans are changed when new information is learned. He said he wasn't hurt, so maybe adjust your incompetent plan and give us a better chance to win.

Exactly!!!

Yup. This team’s goal is to win a Super Bowl. There is some small chance Berry would’ve injured himself being in the game on the last defensive series and then we don’t have him for the rest of the season. But if we hold him out and lose the game, our odds of his being the differencemaker in a playoff game - that may now be on the road - go down.

There is no doubt is my mind that if you run a trillion simulations, this team would’ve been better off at the end of this season on average had Berry been in the game there.

It’s like an elimination game in the NLCS when you bring your best starting pitcher in on two days’ rest.

Just ridiculous.

You can't fix stupid in this thread. Many never played the game an don't realize you can't just jump in the game after sitting out for and hour and a half.:rolleyes:

Come on.... figure out the difference. This wasn't an elimination game, if it was, like any game in January, Berry most likely will be out there for the duration. We still control our own destiny.

You win now and deal with shit later... period. Hell make a stop and win that game..and EB could have pitch counted himself to his heart content. You could make an arrangement that this puts him in more danger of injury..having to ball out the last 2 games.. because now we HAVE TO HAVE THEM.

To get HFA..that is.

Yes there is a track record of them lying. Saying that he is day to day for several months indicates that he has a chance to play. They knew after the first few weeks that his heel wasn't going to feel any better or are you going to tell me that the team doctors thought that his heel was going to magically heal over night and the ****ing bone spur was going to fall off and heal on it's own? Maybe they did some thoughts and prayers to fix it and were hoping God was just behind on prayer requests?

Most fans with no medical training were able to put the pieces together, especially after we found out about the Haglund Deformity. So youre going to tell me that the team thought he'd be playing earlier in the year? They've known what was going on for a long time, but tried covering their ass because they botched the initial diagnosis. So they decided to run fat Andys pompous ass out every day and have him tell reporters that Berry was "literally day to day", which was a complete lie. They knew he wouldn't magically get better.

For a company that preaches honesty and got rid of a star player, not because he got physical with a woman, but because he lied about it, they are pretty deceptive themselves. They blatantly lied to the fan base that made them billions of dollars, because they couldn't admit that they were wrong about Berry and his injury. So **** this franchise and Clark Hunt's holier than thou charade.

The dude is a professional...how do u not stay warm just in case? Like I said before.. it wasn't like it was a last minute fluke play that got us..we could all see it coming from a mile away! It unfortunately played out in slow motion for 5+ min. Special teams player do it all the time.Dude should have been screaming to go in. All I'm saying .

Well that is a dumb plan.

I would have taken the needle at halftime instead.

Well, he was on a play count, but I get your point and agree. What's a few more plays in THAT situation? If he is really the leader, let him lead by playing, rather than cheering, in a season - saving situation. :shrug:

The way this team blows leads, HFA means little. They seem more focused coming from behind on the road, because Reid puts it in the hands of the Offense, rather than in the hands of the DeTards.

He wasn't even hurtor tired either. Stay loose..and help the freaking team for god sakes.. where the pride? I love EB ..but damn bro. And for the coaching staff..WTF. Quit putting it all on the offense and Mahomes! He's amazing..but amazing and still losing in spite of ..is only losing with style. Is Bob fired yet?. I don't have the heart to listen to sport talk radio today..

Lots of words to say you are ****ing moron.

What part of they stuck to their plan is hard for you to understand?

They're not very good at adjusting on offense, defense, or when it comes to injuries. They're out there acting like it's some little league pitch count and the teams going to get in trouble by the league for going over it.

The part where the ship was sinking..and no one got off or paniced because they said it was unsinkable.....

So your defense is to cop out and call me an idiot? Explain how any of that is wrong? You white knighting for the team is getting really weird. You a ****ing reerun or something?

Don't even bother with him. He's stuck on his own sinking ship and he's going down with it. Hes put so much time and effort into being the White Knight that he can't admit he's wrong.

My guess is, this team doesn't care about having a home playoff game, because they know we suck dick at home in the playoffs, and they'd rather get embarrassed in Pittsburgh than at home. There was just no urgency to win that game, and that pitch count was dumb as shit.
They know they already have a playoff spot locked up, and their strategy is going to be to rest him until playoffs and just knock some rust off the next two weeks. I'd bet we get flat out embarrassed in Seattle and struggle at home against Raiders and we back into the playoffs instead of being the most feared team. Because Chiefs

I tell you what..if u follow the game day thread on here..using the discord channel is so much easier and smoother to use and follow. Had a blast with it last night. More people should try it. U can follow in real time( live chat instead of posting and sifting through pages behind the game...just saying..

Because they didnt hide a damn thing man. Whats so hard for you to understand about that?

It is 100% possible they didnt know when he would be ready to play, it was a wait and see how it goes approach, they have told you this 50 ****ing times. They didnt put him on IR for this very reason, which basically made it a day to day issue. I have zero idea why you morons get hung up on how it was classified anyway, would it matter had they said week to week? Would that have changed naything? No it wouldnt.

Everything doesnt have to be some big conspiracy theory, sometime shit is exactly what it is een if it ****ing sucks.

And your comment about fans with no medical knowledge coudl see rigth through this is as ****ing stupid as it gets.

And your comment about the team having a history of being dishonest is also a bullshit narrative. The only example you gavce was the Berry situation and like I said, there is no evidence they lied about any of it.

Im not happy this played out like it did and I was pissed off as hell watching the defense flail while Berry wasnt playing.

THEY TOLD YOU HE WOULD BE ON A LIMITED SNAP COUNT BEFORE THE GAME.

More evidence it doesnt matter what they do or dont tell morons like you you will bitch either way and cry fowl.

How about make the snaps at the end..not the beginning? You know..when they really count? We didn't lose that game in the first half..did we?

Why are you shouting? You mad bro?

Did the limited snap count also require that all of the limited snaps had to take place in the first half and none in the second half?

Eric Berry being on a limited snap count was no surprise, but the allocation of his limited snaps... nothing in the second half was a surprise.

It would have been nice to have the team's best secondary player in the game on one of those two final drives when the Chiefs defense was getting ripped apart.

No shit shirlock.

Just a guess but maybe they didnt think it was neccesray to have him to protect a 14 point lead with 5 minutes left?

And I am making the point it doesnt matter what they tell you people are going to bitch abou tit afterwards.

I know..I know..hindsight is 20/20 right?. Nobody needed 20/20 vision to see the train wreck unfolding. Quit calling people Morons..when your take is just as assinine. Either it's on the coaching staff or EB or both. Fact of the matter is , he was AWOL AGAIN WHEN WE NEEDED HIM... Go figure....

**** off moron.

Lol

Brotha..did u warm up properly before thumbing out that intellectual response? We need you for the playoffs bro?ROFL

Not sure ow long you have been here but the typical reponse to telling anyone to not do something here is for them to do it.

Nothing personel. And I am still frustrated about last night as well and dont think I wasnt pissed off Berry wasnt out there in the 4th Quarter.

Obviously it was a stupid plan but I am guessing they didnt want him going in and out of the game with big lags in between. :shrug:

:rolleyes:

The D was clearly better with Berry out there. Yes, he was a step behind on a couple of plays, but when he hit people, they went down. Whether he played the 1st half or the 2nd is not the question. My guess is that it wouldn't have been 14-7 at the end of the 1st half if they saved him for the 2nd half. It was Berry's pressure on the safety blitz that caused Rivers 1st INT.
What I do question is why the snap count couldn't have been upped, at least on the last LA drive. Hasn't it been Berry's decision whether to play or not all season? It might have been that his heel tightened up over halftime and the 3rd quarter. If that's the case, then we just can't count on him. Did anyone see Berry campaigning to get back in the game? If it was Sutton's decision, then that should be just another nail in his coffin and he needs to go.

Yeah because that's what is being said. He obviously kept himself in decent condition. He could have easily gotten himself warmed back up. He's been sitting on the sideline enough to know how that game was going to turn out.

Berry said playing the 1st half only was the plan going into the game and they stuck with it.

Comments like that is why I call you a moron. Have we lost a game being up by 14 with 5 minutes left to play this season before last night?

He knew Rivers was going to throw an incredible pass on 4th and 7 or that the refs were going to throw a bullshit flag on 3rd down in the endzone on an uncatchable ball?

Well I'm a "Starter now..so I'm kinda a big deal. 32 posts to be exact..all kidding aside it's all good. I'm pissed as well, and more frustrated at the way the coaching staff seems to deal with this kinda crap. Watching leads erode.. watching our aggressiveness go away after we get a lead and this team not having a killer mentality. I see your side of it as well. We are all frustrated beyond belief..and something has to change or we will all be screaming as this chiefs train flies off the cliff in the playoffs unfortunately...

Everyone of our loses have been last minute Defensive collapse losses. Not 14 pts..but a stop would have sealed it. The loss to the Rams was more mismanaging the clock I felt. But that's debateable as well. Can't tell me we weren't all gripping when we went 3 and out last drive.

Don't act like we don't let teams stay in the game and rarely put a game out of reach. That's with the bad teams that don't have a hall of fame QB, with 25 fourth qtr comebacks and 29 game winning drives. The only difference is that in previous games our offense was able to drive down the field and get a TD or a FG to put the game out of reach, but last night we weren't able to do that. We have to quit relying on Patrick Mahomes to be God damn perfect every game. Patrick Mahomes may be the best QB that ever lived, but he can't catch his passes, block for himself, or stop the idiots on the team from committing a drive killing penalty every single game. It's amazing what he's been able to do. Eric Berry being out there and helping the defense would take a lot of pressure off of Mahomes, because Berry playing makes our defense 10 times better. So no he didn't know how it was going to happen, but don't act like it's some rare occurence.

I also agree that Rivers threw an incredible pass on 4th and 7....but that's also when EB should have been running or on the bike warming up.. you are arguing with the fact he had a snap count..we all agree on that..just not happy with when that snap count was ended or handled. No really right or wrong here..only opinions.

This.

Poor coaching...

wow.

When Eric Berry is injured not only do we lose a great player but also the best defensive coordinator on the staff.

He did look a little slower.

And yet his presence was still significant.

You might be right..but I'm sure he's not in game shape yet either..

Defense was definitely night and day difference with his presence on the field..clearly see that.

you can look itching to go back in while being hurt enough not to play. I accept that Berry has lost the battle to Father Time.

Well said. The O couldn't generate a 1st down on their final possession. That alone would have been huge and probably would have sealed the victory. We can't rely on Mahomes to dig us out of every hole our D puts us in. This team needs to adapt a go-for-the throat attitude. Blitz, lay hits on people, and run up the score. Nice doesn't win SBs.

If he was on a pitch count, which is the smart thing to do (I'm not ****ing around with heel injuries that can lead to ACL injuries - Hill is not the same thing)... I'd rather lose today and keep him for the playoffs. I'm not going to blame this on Berry. I find it really, really hard to believe he didn't badly want to be out there for that final drive. I doubt that was his call.

Please find me a time that this organization has ever came out and said that they did something wrong or that they messed something up, because they don't. So excuse me if I don't buy into the bullshit that they spew. They continually said oh he's getting better and better every week, but I don't believe that for a second. Had he been getting better and better every week he would have been playing well before week 15. They knew that he was in massive amounts of pain and we were winning and are in the drivers seat for the 1 seed in the AFC, so they could afford to let him sit out and bring him back when it mattered. Why continually lie to your fan base and give them hope that Berry would be ready earlier than last night? All they had to say was that EB would be back at the end of the year, so that he could play his ass off at the end of the year and in the playoffs. Could it be that Clark Hunt is such a bitch that he was afraid fans would be upset with him, since he gave Berry a ton of money to just be injured? Maybe he was afraid people would think his organization is incompetent for not diagnosing the injury faster, so that they could IR him and bring him back after 8 weeks?

I believe at first they honestly believed that Berry was day to day, but for them to act like they didn't know when he would be back after close to 5 months just makes them look like liars or they are incompetent. It's not like he had some mysterious ailment that they knew nothing about. All you have to do is a quick google search to see what treatments are available to help Mr. Haglund Deformity; wearing special shoes or physical therapy and if those don't work then surgery. Well im sure they tried the first 2, but after those didn't work then they knew the pain wasn't going to go away without medical intervention. So they decided to sit him out until the end of the season and bring him back when it mattered and if they honestly didn't know, then they are the most incompetent group of doctors out there.

Yeah I definitely shouldn't have called Berry out like that, but the Chiefs have handled this situation pretty poorly.

Am I the only one that saw him screaming at the other dipshit DBs multiple times to get in the correct position before the snap? That should tell everyone watching just how bad our secondary is without him. If it happened several times this game (when the camera showed it, so possibly more) I can't imagine how often it happened in all the other games.

As someone else already pointed out: Chargers held to 7 with Berry in the game. Chiefs gave up far fewer long plays with him in... probably because he told the reeruns where to line up and who the **** to cover.

Just make him the D coordinator at this point....

Does he play the entire game against Seattle?

Nope.....and he shouldn't.

But I'd play him in the 1st quarter and then save him for the 4th.

I actually like that idea. It's tough because I do understand the whole "he should've been out there, we could've won" its that competitive nature mentality. However, I would much rather have him for an entire playoff game even if that means we drop to the 5th seed, than have won the Chargers game and got him hurt again.

He should play roughly 2.5-3 quarters. Then against the Raiders he should go 3-3.5 quarters. If all goes well then he'd get a week of rest and be ready to play a full game in the playoffs.

Beats Hodgkins and is a pussy? Lol

Id take the HFA, unless you can guarantee me Berry stays healthy through the playoffs. Without Berry we need HFA to have any shot at getting to the SB, but I think if we have Berry we win no matter where we are. He's that big of a difference maker. It was obvious how much better our D was last night when he was playing.

To be fair I did say I shouldn't have said that about him. My anger is directed towards the organization, not Berry lol.

Nice

Not true. Corners have been fine - you do have a point they struggle more on the outside than in the slot but that is more or less a testament of how the NFL is refereeing. That adds excitement when you don't let your CBs really do anything and it's what the NFL wants. Scoring and eye balls.

Steven Nelson #18 CB in football
Kendall Fuller #20 CB in football
Orlando Scandrick #40 CB in football

profootballfocus.com

Exactly this

Nope I saw that also I was like damn Berry going off on someone I didn't see who he was yelling at.

We have a +119 point differential, one of the highest in the leauge. Do you understand what that means?

Massive difference.

It means we rocked some shitty teams

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Do you even read the posts or just respond randomely?

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Found this interesting. Make of it what you will.
@ the :54 mark Ragland is asked about EB and says "I don't know what happened. Why he went out at the end there but uh..."

So we didn't rock some shitty teams?
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Yeah but think about this for a second, Chiefs are in the playoffs and have games like this one against eggo and lose on a last play 2 pt conversion.

Thats all it takes and the +119 means nothing. +119 is a reflection of them blowing out shitty teams or teams that aren’t playing so well.

This is just me but I don’t get caught up in point differential. In fact, I look at other things that reflect playoff opponents such as close games.

The 3 losses the Chiefs have had this year were on last drives. Thats concerning. And that is how I expect it to be come playoffs. Hopefully they learn to keep the ball, run out the clock and not depend on the D to hold up and win them the game. **** +119, gimme a close game with a victory against a good quality opponent and make the plays when it matters (_efense) to help win the games when they matter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“We’ll just keep increasing (his workload) and communicating.”<br><br>- <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>’ coach Andy Reid on Eric Berry.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1074730019698761731?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If he has enough spiritual energy to handle the load?