Kemp definitely had a few shitty attempts at gunner. I thought he had a few good ones later in the year, but really, it's a ****ing gunner.

I know we have in the past prided ourselves on ST's and yeah, it's still important, but it ain't 2016 anymore.

Why wouldn't he? If the only thing Dieter has going for his is that he's Mahomes friend, he's going to be cut. He can still be friends with Mahomes while playing in the CFL.

If Kemp was horrible, what does that make Dieter who could barely get PT?

Since Reid has been HC the Chiefs have scored 11 TD's on special teams. Opponents have scored 0

The only exception is the blocked punt TD by the Colts in their ass whoopin we gave them.

Every gunner ever to have gunned has looked stupid on many occasions.

It's an easy job from the stands and a surprisingly difficult one from the field.

And I'll still put the gunner on blast for just losing where he is on the field every time it happens. I know it's unfair and it's a thankless, oftentimes difficult job. I'm being unreasonable. But I just don't give a damn - you're a gunner, go do gunner stuff and stop rolling onto the goalline trying to keep the ball inside the 5. Just knock it back and be happy.

And what does Kemp have going for him?

Dieter had almost the same amount of ST’s snaps in the playoffs and was higher on the depth chart at WR.

They use all of those.

But in the modern era especially, you're gonna have empty sets on occasion and that's gonna be at least 3 WRs on the field, oftentimes 4 and sometimes 5. You're gonna also want rotational WRs.

So you're gonna have 4-5 WRs active most days, no? Well if they're on the active gameday roster, they'd better be doing something. You don't want to risk your starting CBs and you need some guys with speed and agility to get down the field and challenge the catch. So that's either your WRs or DBs, no? Well your DBs are about to take the field so you'd prefer not gas them and your backup WRs have just been sitting there being backups so they should be fresh.

It's roster logistics more than anything. I have X players for Y jobs and these backup WRs are best suited for Z role so I need to use them in that role.

I think it's purely about the speed and being able to shed contact at full sprint

Wilson's WORST year was as a rookie when he put up 260 yards. Throughout his entire time with the Chiefs, WR wasn't as deep as it is now, especially at the WR3 and 4 spots, which is where Wilson excelled. Wilson had above average speed and an EXCELLENT change of direction (his 3-cone time was the best at the combine that year), which made him a nifty little weapon in a variety of spots on the field, even out of the backfield.

Dieter has none of that shit going for him. He's got height on Wilson, and it's not like he's some ex-basketball behemoth compared to other WRs.

Hell, you made that crack about Wilson and has hands, but up to this point do we really know anything about Dieter's hands? We do know that he struggled with some drops on occasion in that last year at Alabama. That can be fixed, yes, but do we know if he's fixed it? Is that really something you can fix without consistent reps in practice (and not just with the scout team or the hands team on special teams)

No I get it. Just seems weird having guys try to tackle that probably don't really practice it much.

I guess it's not really that difficult.

Sure they do.

They're special team's gunners and there's a special team's portion of practice every day. You bet your ass those gunners spend time tackling.

And ultimately I've always kinda viewed their role as a redirect anyway. They're there to maintain the edge and push the returner into the middle with your aforementioned safeties and linebackers.

But hell, those WRs were all playing DB in high school at least - it won't be their first time hitting someone.

If I remember right, DAT was the main gunner and was pretty good at it until he got hurt very early and Kemp took over. It appears that they've let DAT go.

I found it surprising that he won the job because DAT wasn't a big guy at all.

Wilson didn't extend for the catch or make the extra effort for most of his career in KC. For that, I didn't care much for him. That last season, however, he came up with a few big catches. He won me over with a much better effort in his last year here. Some guys just take a little longer to get it, I guess.

Will Dieter ever amount to anything for the Chiefs? Who knows but I wouldn't write him off just yet. Still, I'm in the camp that he will be cut before the season. I don't buy that him being good friends with Patrick will make a difference on whether the team keeps him over a better player, if they feel there is a better player.

He apparently has the trust of Toub and that means more for a #5 WR than anything since that's where they'll contribute the most.

He had 8 more ST’s snaps than Dieter in the playoffs. That’s it. And that’s what you’re basing Kemp’s ST’a value on, snaps. Does that mean Dieter has his trust too?

I mentioned 3-cone. It's a common thread in feel-good underdog success tales of dudes who come from out of nowhere to have a decent and sometimes even a spectacular NFL career.

Where the hell did Adam Thielen come from? He wasn't invited to the combine, either, and everybody from high school to his Division II college has said, "I mean, yeah, he's good, but I wouldn't call him anything special."

The answer is his 3-cone. He had a top 20 3-cone, and when combined with adequate speed and vertical/long jump numbers, scrappy gym rats like Thielen can take that plus all the experience with being "the guy" at his shitty school for 4 years, work their ****ing asses off, and scratch and claw their way into finding a niche. And in Thielen's case, his niche was in the NFL record books (most consecutive games with 100+ receiving yards).

Gehrig Dieter doesn't have Thielen's college experience. He doesn't have his 3-cone or his speed or his jump. He MIGHT have his work ethic and attitude.

He's just got nothing. No, I don't care if he's bumming around near the bottom of the roster, but if my troll post from earlier actually comes true and we re-sign that bitch to anything more than he's worth, that's when he's gonna start to feel the wrath of Chiefs fans.

I mean, he could also start producing, but I just don't think it's reasonably possible for him to do anything significant at all.

Dieter killed us in the '14 World Series.

Pat and Dieter catching fish
 

Mahomes will probably just pay Dieter to be his *insert random thing* manager or something like that if he gets cut and out of football so I think he will be fine regardless. I don’t think he became friends with Mahomes for financial reasons or anything like that but it certainly could pay off for him in that regard.

How many special team snaps did they even have total in the playoffs? I mean, 2 games ?

41/33 while Dieter was the only one to get any snaps on offense in both games.

My point is that people look at the total ST’s snaps Kemp had on the season compared to Dieter (which was significant but mostly because Kemp played in all 16 games), but what does that matter when they were playing about the same amount in the playoffs and Dieter clearly passed him on the WR depth chart?

Dieter didn’t get that glowing profile on last weeks Franchise by accident

You don’t have to like it, but he is making this years team

If it makes Pat happy....I'm happy. :D

Cheetah has to find a cougar.

He was coming into his own before that Achilles injury too.

Now is the time that we dance on Sprockets.

Looks like they took some time off from their vacation to run some routes and catch/throw in the sand. Kelce is participating which is a great sign that he is ready for camp.

Yeah, but how is Dieter at running fake punts at critical junctures?

Looks like Conley can't Catch fish either. :)

That play made Wilson a lot of money for sure!

Glad the Chief's didn't overpay for him or Conley.

I'm no vegetarian but I legit felt bad for the fish, kinda squirmed after the beer pouring :-/

You are right- that is a "Bad Optic" towards the NFL in the eyes of PETA. I hope Kelce does not get a 6 game suspension for making the NFL look bad.

Plus, Mahomes used a hook on that poor fish. Horrible!!

Dieter is a possession receiver. He will be fine as a 4th option.

Every fish want beer!

I don't think anyone here knows what Deiter is. He hasn't really gotten a chance yet.
We will see this year possibly.

Oh come on man, lol... it’s not like he made it do a keg stand