I'm pulling for this kid. When he's healthy, he can make a big difference for this team.

Absolutely.

At this point, I don't understand anyone still giving two shits about his opting out. Nobody has any clue about his reasonings for doing so, and quite honestly, it's nobody's business. He made the choice, it happened two years ago, and it's done with.

Imagine though you finally get your dream job. Its the 1st day and wouldn't you wanna show everyone how good of a worker you are and how you can be an asset...but then you tell them you dont wanna work because of the current conditions...yet every single new hire is out there busting their ass.

He's a "good player" based on what evidence?

He was mediocre at best last year before his broke dick fat ass got injured.

I guess it wasn't entirely untrue. Niang had hip surgery toward the end of his last year in college. He had played through the injury for awhile but the pain got to be too much. So, if he had not opted out of his rookie year, the question would have been how long until he was ready to play. And the Chiefs were planning to play him a guard. If he can stay healthy and become a solid RT then this was probably the best thing for the Chiefs, IMO.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2020/08/...s-city-chiefs/

Meh, I don't hold that against him. It was a new pandemic and none of us really knew how it was going to go. I think we were all scared when it first started.

Broke dick

This. He wasn't going to be ready for most of his rookie year.

Also a not-good data point that the guy is just a brokedick.

I wonder how much of it was mutual. I imagine the chiefs were more than happy because they may have put him on IR anyway. It ended up hurting us because we had a bizarre run of losing OL. But I suspect a big part of it was because he ideally needed another year to heal.

I think it was mentioned though that it was a mutual decision between him and the Chiefs because he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play in 2020 which is why he fell to the 3rd round.

Either way, I just want the guy to end up being a good RT because I hate Andrew Wylie and fear he will someday get Mahomes killed.

It's been a mutual decision for a long time now. Dude is worse than Sammy Watkins when if comes to injuries.

I think we can all agree that even at mediocre he's an upgrade from the backup guard that's playing there now.

Fair enough. Hope it was more of a strategic move by the Chiefs. And again certainly his right but you didnt see other rookies do it

Ding Ding Ding. The Chiefs knew he needed close to another year to recover from his surgery. By opting out it effectively gave him a redshirt year without using up a year of contract.

He may get some snaps to knock the rust off.

Wylie outperformed Niang last year. We got better at RT when Niang went down.

Niang may just not be very good. He damn sure isn't very reliable. I'm honestly not sure who I'd take off the roster to activate him at this point. Probably Kinnard, I guess. Chiefs would probably chose to lose Christian though.

I'd highly doubt they'd choose to cut their only viable backup LT.

Agreed. No shot they cut OBJ at this point.

I hope it's not Christian, Kinnard should be the guy for sure.

First, it's great that Niang is coming back. While I guess many here have seen enough, I think there is still time for him to turn into something. He's 24 years only and has two years remaining under his rookie contract after this season.

Now I don't think he's going to see much action unless there is an injury, which is fine. I just want him to stay healthy, practice, and make a run for the job in the offseason. We need him for depth badly.

Is this really what happened? Did he get paid? I can't imagine a player being ok with being asked to take a year off, unpaid and be forced to stay on the rookie deal a year longer...

At this point he just needs better than Wylie.

Didn't they play Prince there over Christian earlier in the year for a few snaps?

Yes! And he was OK...for like 10 snaps. I've no idea why i'm invested in this guy but I honestly think he's a viable backup LT.

PFF Niang vs Wylie

Before an injury cut his season short, Niang recorded a 79.5 overall grade, an 84.8 PFF pass-blocking grade and a 71.8 PFF run-blocking grade across 378 offensive snaps. In his three seasons with significant playing time, Niang never pushed his run-blocking grade above 75.7 (2018) or his pass-blocking grade above 86.3 (2018). Still, he never allowed more than 14 total pressures in any single season of his career and was called for just three total penalties across 1,982 career offensive snaps.

Wylie was graded at 67.2 for 2021 and is at 59.7.... so there is that

Only has two years left? Isnt that the benefit?

I don't recall the if's and buts of "when and where" but both have played pretty much identical snaps.

I know this, I've watched Christian actually play full games there and he's pretty decent.

I also know this, I have not watched Prince play a full game anywhere.

He was not going to play year one anyways as he was recovering from an injury.

Sitting for covid benefited both Niang and Chiefs.

Looks like the chiefs planet members that know not shit about tackle football as it is played in the National Football League are down on Lucas Niang.

Expect success for this young man playing tackle football in the National Football League.

It is like the dumbasses forgot that he had to switch to LT against Trey Hendrickson on an artificial turf field because Brown was worried about his calf in pregame warmups.

You have to not know shit about orthopedics and kinesiology to blame a player for a connective tissue injury.

Well I hope you're right - I like Christian and wouldn't mind trying to flip a decent 2-3 year deal his way to lock him up as a backup for awhile.

Um...according to what?

Because PFF shows:

64.6 overall, 59.1 pass blocking and 70.0 run blocking for Niang in 2021. Over 524 offensive snaps.

Something don't wash there.

I agree on the 2-3 year deal. He's a guy I'd buy as insurance going forward with the plan to try get a LT in the draft. I don't think we'd see any noticeable drop in play from OBJr sans maybe the run game that we barely use anyhow.

I really wanted the Chiefs to make a play for Darrisaw in that 2021 draft leading up to the trade for OBJr. Man, its a tough swallow when you look at the chart posted haha.

And just how lucky have the Vikings been picking in the early 20's lately?

2020 - Justin Jefferson at 22
2021 - Christian Darrisaw at 23
Even Bradbury, who they took at 18 in 2019, is really rounding into a good player.

I thought Cine was a great pick for them at 32 this year in their trade down but who knows what will be the result of the multiple surgeries on his shattered ankle in the long run.

Darrisaw dropped because of injury concerns. He probably would have went higher without those.

It appears all of those defenders from Georgia this past year need a lot of coaching..none of them look ready to go out of the box.

I can't comprehend why Christian isn't getting a shot at RT. He's proven to be better than Wylie on both sides even playing for garbage teams. Every now and then when you see him on the sideline, you can almost see that he looks a little frustrated. He knows he's a better player than Wylie and it's got to drive him nuts that he's not starting.

Again, one of Andy's few flaws is this obsession with familiarity. Wylie has been here forever so he gets the nod, it's so frustrating. I honestly feel like Christian could be at least a short term answer on the right side if they would just give him a chance.

I have never been a fan of drafting players from Georgia very often. For years now it seems they are put in a position to do something well based on their raw talent and not really taught to be well-rounded. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but not many it seems. Roquan Smith is the last player I remember being a "WOW" guy. Others have succeeded and developed more in the NFL but didn't seem to come out ready to go.

Wanogho actually has legit skills so it's kinda weird he's not getting a shot either.

They watch these guys practice every day. There's a lot more to this than just blind loyalty.

Yep, either of them at this point. You have to eventually give one of them a shot. I don't know what more it's going to take.

If both of them actually somehow look worse than Wylie in practice and that's their reasoning, then neither of them should even be on an NFL roster and we should be scrounging for upgrades somewhere, but I highly doubt that's the case.

I think there is a certain aspect to that in the offseason, but I'm not so sure when it comes to in-season changes.

For instance, he did start a rookie in Smith over LDT coming back last season and it's not like LDT was a slouch.

But... in season? We don't have a lot to work off of there. You look at how long they stuck with terrible players, especially on defense, and you scratch your head and wonder if its the same offensively.

Injury. That's the only way they're getting on the field.

I'm not saying that Andy's loyalty is not an issue. It's just not THE issue, not in this case.

As I said in another response, if both those guys are actually worse than Wylie in practice they shouldn't even be on the team or even on an NFL roster. There's simply no way that's the case. We've seen Wylie get his ass handed to him all over the field at every position he's played for years now, and Reid keeps putting him out there.

Hell, almost getting Mahomes killed in the Super Bowl should have been the end of his time here. Yet here he is, continuing to suck ass and almost get Mahomes killed on a weekly basis. It makes zero sense.

I respectfully disagree 100% on this one and that's simply having watched Christian in the past and wanting KC to sign him for a couple of years. I think Christian is more than marginally better than Wylie.


If there's any argument that might be had, I firmly believe it's that Christian didn't have the playbook down early enough. At this point, I think it's 100% Andy wanting to maintain cohesiveness on the line.

Almost getting Mahomes killed.

As opposed to him actually getting killed.

Is it really that hard to believe that there's things about Christian and Prince that the Chiefs don't like and don't want to trot out there unless they have to?

By the way, if Niang is indeed healthy, Wylie's time is almost up anyway.

During the season, don't you think that's kind of prudent?

I mean the guy has been to multiple Super Bowls with 2 different teams but he evidently is a dumbass when it comes to offensive linemen. ROFL

You know, it's also possible the Chiefs simply do not see them as right tackles.

Would you start either of them over OBJ, halfway through a contending season?

100% agreed, I've seen Christian play on multiple occasions and was very impressed as well. When they signed him this offseason I thought he was a lock to be the starting RT.

Never thought for a second I'd have to see Wylie bumbling around in there again. Just so tired of that dude, he has done nothing to deserve even being on this team at this point. Andy clearly has one of his soft spots for him and that's the only reason he's still here.

Obviously not a dumbass, but certainly has flaws.

I've said time and again I will gladly accept them, but it doesn't make it any easier in cases like this.

He can do whatever he wants, obviously. This one just doesn't seem to make a lick of sense from the outside looking in. I mean the guy is just garbage. If he wasn't on this team, I honestly think he'd be out of the league.

He's the backup. Niang was the starter before he got hurt. Wylie wouldn't be playing otherwise.

And like I said previously, it's entirely possible that they view Christian as a left tackle and only a left tackle. That's simple roster construction 101 and has nothing to do with loyalty.

Again, I have no problem with criticizing Andy's loyalty at times. It's warranted.

It's when people act like it's BLIND loyalty that I take exception. Andy Reid and his staff have multiple rings. Andy himself is a HOFer, a top 3 coach in the league, and a top 10 coach in NFL history. He's not blind in any way, shape, or form.

I never said that, so don't be an ass about it.

And why quote only winning? After all, he's lost more when the chips are down in big games than he's won. If I recall correctly his combined Championship and Super Bowl record is 4-6. At least he got there, and my argument isn't really about that anyhow.

I'm saying he has shown clear reluctance to bench underachieving players in the name of cohesiveness. That cohesion is important, no doubt, I played OL. I'd argue that communication is as important as talent.

I just think it's reaching a point where he seriously needs to reconsider based on how badly Wylie has performed. In my eyes, there is a clear difference in the talent each Wylie and Christian have displayed in their careers. If Andy doesn't want to make the change because he thinks it's best, then that's what they'll do even if I don't support it as strongly as I support Matt Araiza.

With that, my lack of support doesn't mean I don't think KC can win with it. They clearly can win games with the current setup. Wylie though has been functioning at a level I'd consider dangerous for Mahomes.

I don't know why we as fans think we know more about player evaluation from watching a couple of games than the guys who get to see them every day. I'm guilty of it too. We firmly believe that every move Andy makes needs to make sense to us when in reality it just doesn't matter if we get it or not.

Again, what if they think Christian is strictly a left tackle? I get that people want to replace Wylie but maybe stop and think that Wylie is actually our BACKUP RT.

If you played offensive line, then you know that moving from left to right, or vice versa isn't just set it and forget it.

This is where I'll have to disagree. Remember that time in Philly he tried to give his o-line coach the defensive coordinator position?

He's loyal to fault with some people, and seems to develop certain connections in some cases that cloud his judgement at times. That's all I'm saying. I don't know for sure that's the case with Wylie, but it just seems like it could be.

Anyway, I get your point. I'm certainly not going to sit here and pretend I have a clue what's going on, it's all hearsay. If we keep winning and Mahomes stays healthy, it won't be an issue. I just hope they actually give Niang a shot once he's healthy.

The wording I took was from a google search and it was to his draft profile.

In other words, I failed to read the tab that the quote was from... my apologies.

It's definitely not set and forget. Some players can make a switch, some can't. When I was moved from LT as I got old and younger, better players, came in, the coach moved me to RT but I was just too slow to reach edge rushers to my right, so they kicked me down inside. I could play RG just not RT.

That said, Christian has played both sides in college and the NFL and he's done both pretty well. I don't think there's a real noticeable difference either way. I'd give the kid a shot there, personally. If it doesn't work then it doesn't work but man it's hard to watch Wylie suck every week. Wylie is built to be a guard.

Agree 100%, especially on Wylie.

I just think we're stuck waiting for Niang to get healthy. It seems like that's the guy they want starting at RT long-term.

Really intelligent analysis of Wiley to not notice the players or venues in the games he gave up pressures.

And the fans tooting Geron Christian's horn do not even know what denomination he is.

This is bs. "Outperformed Niang"?? Er Niang was the starter, not Wylie. Wylie was the third string option behind Lucas and Remmers. Niang was out there going against the likes of Bosa, Garrett, Clowney etc and though he had his ups and downs like any guy would in his first year, he was way better than Wylie imo and was playing well when he went down. Wylie gets protected..Lucas was often put on an island.

Look, I'm not gonna shit on Niang. He played well at times last year. But more often than not, he just wasn't that good. Better than Wylie but as they say, "better than bad does not equal good."

What are you even going on about?

He's given pressure up in every game. I care not who he went up against to make that assertion. He struggled mightily against the better pass rushers but guess what? Most teams that KC plays have at least one good pass rusher.

And what's it matter if he's a Catholic or not? It really doesn't.

Guys, we do remember that Andy's a former OL himself and that his first job as a coach in the NFL was OL/TE coach, right?

I'm going to go waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out on a limb here and say that Andy Reid is better at evaluating OL talent than anyone on the board. Nearly anyone in football, for that matter.

Probably we couldn't find 3 coaches in the NFL that are better.

His rough games were at the start of the season facing Bosa and Garrett out the gate. But the more he played, the more comfortable he looked imo and that was proven the second time he saw Bosa. Physically he's way above Wylie and he has nimble feet for such a big guy. It can only benefit the team if he comes back healthy and plays I think.

LMAO Who cares. He's got the body composition of Eggman. I doubt he'll ever manage to play a full season without one of those toothpicks he calls legs collapsing underneath him.

I saw some recent pics of Niang, and it looked like he lost a significant amount of weight.

I'm not counting on him or anything, but maybe it will help.

I think you guys are nuts.

Overreaction planet in full effect.

Niang has all the natural ability you could ask for. He just hasn't been able to stay healthy.

If he washes out, that will be why. If he's healthy, he develops into a plus player.

The comparisons to Roaf were physical ones, and they are apt. Take a look at Willie Roaf in his playing days. Niang has the exact same build.

No, i'm not saying he's as good as Willie Roaf. I'm saying they're the exact same body type.

But he can't make the club from the tub, so unless he gets and stays healthy, none of the rest of it matters.

Wylie blows goats. Niang if healthy is a significant upgrade, period. You'll see, hopefully.

Sooo, went to do a Google image search out of curiosity and noticed something. Pretty much every photo I saw of him in his TCU days he had two sturdy knee braces on. In contrast, he's never worn them while with the Chiefs. Why?

No idea.

Also....


OMFG CHANGE YOUR ****ING AVATAR YOU SICK ****! I CAN'T LOOK AT YOU

Send all complaints to staylor for putting this evil on you

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE IT STOP

I don't care what he did, NOTHING is worth the HELL you're putting us all thru.

You must not have watched any NCAA football in the last 15 years.

Or you have watched some and you are ****ing clueless.

You are such an insufferable douche. Wiley sucks and here's a graphic from The Athletic that shows how much he sucks. This is through week 6.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/63d650ee...0cc852b8d5.pnj

Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Maxx Crosby, Chandler Jones, Yannick Ngakoue, De'Forest Buckner. Shaq Barrett, Von Miller, Nick Bosa

How about watch the football games and figure out who is who?

Wylie is going up against guys that are paid 8-9 times as much as he is.

You post some horseshit that has no real information and think you are some kind of genius?

You do not even know the real life players the Chiefs have played this year and I suppose you do not know why the guys on the list are among the highest paid defensive players in the NFL.

And the Titans have some big dollar players rushing the passer also.

I think if he stayed healthy Niang is a better athlete than Wylie and has a higher ceiling. There's a good chance neither is good enough against the type of DEs we're seeing regularly. I agree as well that it's odd to just rule out the schedule Wylie has had. It's brutal. Obviously we need someone who'll hold up against it, but it's a tall order for Niang or some of the other names like Nijman being suggested as well.

Wait, what? Somebody's bashing a player for being Catholic? WTF?

That, he does.

What exactly is your point here? Nobody is saying it's Wylie's fault he's starting. We all know he's doing the best he can, who cares? He's paid 8-9 times less than these pass rushers because he's an incredibly limited player. I mean what is this, participation award league?

Super duper that he's putting his best foot forward and is cheap, this is the NFL and he shouldn't be a starting RT protecting the best QB to ever walk the Earth, that's all there is to it. You want to throw him at guard, fine. He shouldn't be starting at tackle, that's all anyone is saying. Nobody has any personal vendetta against the guy. Is he your cousin or something? Relax. ;)

LMAO :evil:

Christian is paid the you get to stay in the league as a 2018 3rd round draft pick minimum and you expected him to be the starter?