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BigRedChief 06-14-2022 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16332133)
They're doing a good job so far. Still waiting for some epic space battles, though. I suspect they may be holding that back for the final episode, though.
Good to see the Star Trek universe go back to its roots. Not perfect but its a good show.

I'm sure they are saving the big space battle for the ending. I'd also be real disappointed if we don't get a big space battle.

KC_Connection 06-14-2022 09:22 PM
https://www.vulture.com/article/star...orlds-yes.html

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KVA: The episodic rhythm of Strange New Worlds feels like an immense relief in the current TV landscape. It feels like such a relief that I am almost waiting, afraid, for the moment when the show suddenly abandons episodic structure and slowly bleeds into a more serialized plot. Some would be fine! A nice two-parter as a treat! But aside from the way that episodic plotting creates a solid structural framework, there’s something crucial about the way an episodic format allows Strange New Worlds to play with a variety of tones. Not every hour of the show needs to feel the same. The palette is broader, and there’s something so lovely about not knowing exactly what each new episode will feel like. I’d argue that it’s not necessarily a problem for Star Trek to be grim. The problem is when it’s grim all the time. Your point about character-based emotional through-lines fits in here, too. We can have some backstory about why Captain Pike feels haunted, but we could also have emotional through-lines about romance plots or friendships or a much broader spectrum of emotional experiences. Episodes! Are! Our! Friends!
I agree with this point made in this article. I think the episodic nature of this show is really helping it right now and it’s something you rarely see in this streaming era of television anymore.

listopencil 06-15-2022 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16334218)
https://www.vulture.com/article/star...orlds-yes.html



I agree with this point made in this article. I think the episodic nature of this show is really helping it right now and it’s something you rarely see in this streaming era of television anymore.
In an episodic format the stories have to be a little tighter and there have been some rough spots here and there when they need to move things along. Sometimes it hurts the story because the conflict has to be resolved by the end of the episode, but this last episode also shows how you can leave an open ended resolution when the ensemble cast is always traveling. That planet was ****ed up? Whew! Well, we're not staying there. Oh well. It's just different and it's more like old school weekly television. That's a bit of a refreshing change.

Hammock Parties 06-15-2022 10:05 AM
https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...Ag&oe=62AE90EB

lawrenceRaider 06-17-2022 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16334218)
https://www.vulture.com/article/star...orlds-yes.html



I agree with this point made in this article. I think the episodic nature of this show is really helping it right now and it’s something you rarely see in this streaming era of television anymore.
Definitely makes it feel fresh in the current environment of every damn show being so ****ing grim all the damn time. It seems there has been a race to see who can make a show with the absolute worst thing either happening, or looming over the top of the show.

Bowser 06-17-2022 12:53 PM
I enjoyed the latest episode, but I'm kind of feeling that it was way too easy for that band of dipshits to take over the Federation flag ship.

I liked Captain Angel, though. She waltzed right over young and inexperienced Spock. I hope she returns so her, Nurse Chapell, and Number One can all get in a three way death match. For personal reasons.

lawrenceRaider 06-17-2022 03:42 PM
Did you notice Captain Angel's Adam's Apple?

Bowser 06-17-2022 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16338221)
Did you notice Captain Angel's Adam's Apple?
https://media1.tenor.com/images/7bff...temid=11346371

Bowser 06-17-2022 04:39 PM
And oh yeah, I was genuinely surprised that

Spoiler!

lawrenceRaider 06-17-2022 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16338291)
Jesse James Keitel (actor who plays Captain Angel) is "non-binary". Also has a prominent Adam's Apple.

lawrenceRaider 06-17-2022 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16338292)
And oh yeah, I was genuinely surprised that

Spoiler!
They've done a tremendous job with everything thus far. I'm curious to see where it goes from here.

listopencil 06-17-2022 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16338292)
And oh yeah, I was genuinely surprised that

Spoiler!
I was concerned because...

Spoiler!

listopencil 06-17-2022 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16338221)
Did you notice Captain Angel's Adam's Apple?
Pike gave it away at the end by referring to Angel as 'them' if you hadn't noticed it by then.

lawrenceRaider 06-18-2022 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16338394)
I was concerned because...

Spoiler!
Possibly. Though it really only stays on the one uniting theme of the season, Spock and his personal life.

listopencil 06-18-2022 07:48 AM
For those of you who might remember, is Stonn the Vulcan that Spock has to eventually challenge for the hand of T'Pring?

listopencil 06-18-2022 07:51 AM
Found it. It's Stonn:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708416/

Also, original T'Pring was pretty hot.

lawrenceRaider 06-18-2022 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16338876)
Found it. It's Stonn:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708416/

Also, original T'Pring was pretty hot.
Her modern counterpart is remarkably similar looking, and also pretty hot.

KC_Connection 06-19-2022 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16338394)
I was concerned because...

Spoiler!
I'm fine with serialized elements in an episodic format (effectively they're already doing that with the characters already such as the development of Spock's relationships with T'Pring/Chapel). TNG certainly had that as well. I don't think it's an issue if Angel or Sybok pop up once in a while as running villains.

I haven't watched Final Frontier in a long, long time but I seem to recall Sybok, the character, being less of an issue than the plot of that movie itself (and especially the ending). There may be interesting places this show could take him.

listopencil 06-23-2022 10:26 AM
God damn it. Just when I started internally bitching about how goofy the episode was even though it was fun, those sumbitches had to punch me in the gut like that.

listopencil 06-23-2022 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16319186)
Well, the last episode was definitely a step back. While it wasn't horrible, and was clearly going for light-hearted laughs after the Gorn episode, it definitely had some Discovery creep to it. Apparently Chapel is bi, and it's pretty obvious that the butch helmsman chick has the hots for her. Similar vibe developing between Number One and the security officer.

This show is so promising. Don't want to see it devolve into woke shit. :shake:

Apparently so.

Frazod 06-23-2022 11:18 AM
Ugh. I crapped out midway through the last episode and now I don't really have any desire to see the current one. :shake:

listopencil 06-23-2022 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16345367)
Ugh. I crapped out midway through the last episode and now I don't really have any desire to see the current one. :shake:
I was surprised because it's the kind of episode that shows normally do after they have well established characters, to change things up a bit. It's a fantasy episode with many of the actors playing parts that are dissimilar from their normal roles. They all obviously had a blast doing it and hammed it up quite a bit. Also, Lieutenant La'an Noonien-Singh (Christina Chong) has some great tits.

KC_Connection 06-24-2022 12:19 PM
So that was unexpectedly hugely emotional at the end. Really made the episode for me.

I'm also not sure how well the rest of it will go over with most in this era of TV, but these are the kinds of stories you can and should be doing on an episodic series and very much reminds me of aspects of TOS.

KC_Connection 06-24-2022 07:23 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV_VqDjX...jpg&name=small

Definitely didn't notice this Easter egg.

Mosbonian 06-25-2022 11:16 AM
While the last episode was light hearted I actually chuckled until the end when they get into your heart.

The fact that some of the characters play people they aren't normally made it fun for me.

And yes...Noonien-Singh definitely has some distinguishing features they tend to hide with her normal uniform.

lawrenceRaider 06-25-2022 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16345367)
Ugh. I crapped out midway through the last episode and now I don't really have any desire to see the current one. :shake:
It starts pretty damn rough, but the end is absolutely worth it.

The "romance" is a nothing burger.

listopencil 06-25-2022 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16346915)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV_VqDjX...jpg&name=small

Definitely didn't notice this Easter egg.
He's real. It's canon.

Mosbonian 06-30-2022 06:13 PM
Enjoyed this week's episode....a couple of surprises but still pretty good

Frazod 06-30-2022 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 16354282)
Enjoyed this week's episode....a couple of surprises but still pretty good
I guess I'll spoiler this for now

Spoiler!

Frazod 07-01-2022 10:37 PM
Looks like we'll finally get an epic space battle in the finale! With the Romulans! :rockon:

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KC_Connection 07-02-2022 03:03 AM
Spoiler!

lawrenceRaider 07-02-2022 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16355418)
Spoiler!
Agreed.

listopencil 07-02-2022 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16355418)
Spoiler!
I'm holding out hope because we didn't see a death.

Bowser 07-02-2022 06:00 PM
So I'll just go forward assuming Kirk fought the derpiest Gorn to ever live at the end of its life. Lol

Still enjoyed the episode in spite of the few blatant ripoffs. Enjoying this show quite thoroughly so far.

Frazod 07-02-2022 06:19 PM
Chris Doohan, the son of original the original Scotty James Doohan, played an excellent Scotty in the fan-made Star Trek Continues a few years ago. It would really be cool if they brought him onboard to reprise the role. Roddenberry's son is one of the producers, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that it could happen.

I don't think there's much need to spoiler things at this point since it seems there are only about six of us who give a shit.

Jamie 07-02-2022 07:20 PM
Chris Doohan as Scotty occurred to me too, but he's in his early 60s. I know ages can be fudged a little, but Scotty should only be in his mid to late 30s at this point.

Speaking of which, I've wondered if their plan long-term is to transition into a psuedo-reboot of TOS. We've never seen the beginning of Kirk's 5 year mission, doing some kind of "TOS: Year One" show would be the least of Kirkman-Trek's affronts to canon.

Frazod 07-02-2022 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 16356003)
Chris Doohan as Scotty occurred to me too, but he's in his early 60s. I know ages can be fudged a little, but Scotty should only be in his mid to late 30s at this point.

Speaking of which, I've wondered if their plan long-term is to transition into a psuedo-reboot of TOS. We've never seen the beginning of Kirk's 5 year mission, doing some kind of "TOS: Year One" show would be the least of Kirkman-Trek's affronts to canon.
Hmm. I didn't realize he was that old. But I guess to have a World War II vet as a dad, he'd pretty much have to be.

Frazod 07-07-2022 07:27 AM
Just finished the season finale. Not only the best episode of the season, but it ranks among the best Star Trek episodes ever. Absolutely fantastic.

Bowser 07-07-2022 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16359722)
Just finished the season finale. Not only the best episode of the season, but it ranks among the best Star Trek episodes ever. Absolutely fantastic.
Ok, this is high praise coming from you. Going to go check this out immediately.

listopencil 07-07-2022 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16359722)
Just finished the season finale. Not only the best episode of the season, but it ranks among the best Star Trek episodes ever. Absolutely fantastic.
OK. Good. Because if you said anything other than that I would have told you to go **** yourself. That shit was golden.

listopencil 07-07-2022 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16359829)
Ok, this is high praise coming from you. Going to go check this out immediately.
Go watch it as soon as you can.

listopencil 07-07-2022 10:33 AM
Brave New Worlds is, I swear, Star Trek in every single way that Discovery isn't.

mnchiefsguy 07-07-2022 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16359722)
Just finished the season finale. Not only the best episode of the season, but it ranks among the best Star Trek episodes ever. Absolutely fantastic.
Gonna watch it tonight, but this is high praise. I have really enjoyed Strange New Worlds--even at its worst it has been light years ahead of Picard and Discovery.

mnchiefsguy 07-07-2022 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16359941)
OK. Good. Because if you said anything other than that I would have told you to go **** yourself. That shit was golden.
This makes me wish Season 1 was longer. Season 2 is already in production at least. Hopefully Paramount recognizes what a success this is and Trek can continue to move in that direction.

Early speculation on Picard Season 3 gives me a little hope...I still need to finish up Season 2---but it has been such a dissappoint so far.

Bowser 07-07-2022 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16359944)
Go watch it as soon as you can.
Frazod didn't lie, that was as good as Star Trek has been in quite some time. Many, many subtle nods to its own past that were done fantastically. They took a "same old, same old" formula and mastered it for this episode.

Frazod 07-07-2022 02:14 PM
So many cool things about this episode.

Spoiler!


This episode really exists in rarified air. I'd put it the top ten all time, and I don't say that lightly. We haven't seen Star Trek this good since DS9. Really looking forward to season 2.

Bowser 07-07-2022 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16360321)
So many cool things about this episode.

Spoiler!


This episode really exists in rarified air. I'd put it the top ten all time, and I don't say that lightly. We haven't seen Star Trek this good since DS9. Really looking forward to season 2.
Also

Spoiler!

Frazod 07-07-2022 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16360342)
Also

Spoiler!
They lifted several musical cues from the original episode as well.

Snica 07-07-2022 07:53 PM
Absolutely great episode.

mnchiefsguy 07-08-2022 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16360321)
So many cool things about this episode.

Spoiler!


This episode really exists in rarified air. I'd put it the top ten all time, and I don't say that lightly. We haven't seen Star Trek this good since DS9. Really looking forward to season 2.
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Completely agree...this episode was amazing and one of the best of any Trek ever.

The TOS episode they refer back to is one of my favorites, and the music, dialogue, and scenes they replayed all turned out excellent.

Can't wait for the next season......and Lord knows, I have not said that about Trek for a long, long, time.

lawrenceRaider 07-08-2022 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16360368)
They lifted several musical cues from the original episode as well.
I have loved all the musical cues they've lifted for the series as a whole. A TON of them sprinkled in here and there in every episode.

This series has nearly redeemed Paramount for the disaster that is Discovery.

Very excited to see season 2!

Though I have to say I'll be sad if #1 stays in lockup.

Frazod 07-08-2022 10:45 AM
Spoiler!

stumppy 07-08-2022 08:22 PM
This season was way too short, damnit!

Bowser 07-09-2022 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 16361893)
This season was way too short, damnit!
I thought that as well. Maybe with the feedback they'll have gotten from the first season, they'll find some funding to add some more eps next season. Hopefully.

listopencil 07-09-2022 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16360321)
So many cool things about this episode.

Spoiler!


This episode really exists in rarified air. I'd put it the top ten all time, and I don't say that lightly. We haven't seen Star Trek this good since DS9. Really looking forward to season 2.

There is just so much good stuff to mull over from this episode that I am still soaking it in. I mean, that is how you do a season ender, holy shit. I might go back and watch the entire season again. One of the things I liked about the episode that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that it really hammers home exactly why Spock did (will do) what he did (does) for Pike in The Menagerie. It's not just loyalty. It's not just friendship. It's a debt of honor that must be repaid and damn the costs or consequences. The showrunners have taken a throwaway pilot that was repurposed for budget reasons (IIRC) and just exploded from that starting point.

lawrenceRaider 07-09-2022 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16362132)
There is just so much good stuff to mull over from this episode that I am still soaking it in. I mean, that is how you do a season ender, holy shit. I might go back and watch the entire season again. One of the things I liked about the episode that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that it really hammers home exactly why Spock did (will do) what he did (does) for Pike in The Menagerie. It's not just loyalty. It's not just friendship. It's a debt of honor that must be repaid and damn the costs or consequences. The showrunners have taken a throwaway pilot that was repurposed for budget reasons (IIRC) and just exploded from that starting point.
I"ve been strongly considering re-watching the whole season. Just packed full of fan service done in a way that just fit right into the episodes with nothing feeling forced or like it was done for fan service.

If the awards were done in a fair way, a bunch should end up with the cast, writers, and director of this series.

listopencil 07-09-2022 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16362167)
I"ve been strongly considering re-watching the whole season. Just packed full of fan service done in a way that just fit right into the episodes with nothing feeling forced or like it was done for fan service.

If the awards were done in a fair way, a bunch should end up with the cast, writers, and director of this series.
Yeah. I normally don't do rewatches like that but I'm really tempted and it's probably going to be a long wait for the next season. I watched each episode of ST:TOS so many times as a kid that I could do a full on synopsis of every one within just a few seconds of the opening. Drove my sister nuts.

Frazod 07-09-2022 08:54 PM
I think at this point we can dispense with spoilers.

Another thing I've noticed in additional viewing, as well as another watch of the original Balance of Terror, is that Peck's voice and portrayal of Spock in the alternate timeline is much closer to that of Nimoy's portrayal. Another interesting little change that I didn't pick up on right away.

Again, that makes me wonder why they didn't do the same with the alternate Kirk, who bears almost no similarity to Shatner's Kirk. But again, a minor point at best. I wonder if they tried it and it just didn't work.

listopencil 07-09-2022 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16362659)
I think at this point we can dispense with spoilers.

Another thing I've noticed in additional viewing, as well as another watch of the original Balance of Terror, is that Peck's voice and portrayal of Spock in the alternate timeline is much closer to that of Nimoy's portrayal. Another interesting little change that I didn't pick up on right away.

Again, that makes me wonder why they didn't do the same with the alternate Kirk, who bears almost no similarity to Shatner's Kirk. But again, a minor point at best. I wonder if they tried it and it just didn't work.
Spock in the season finale episode is much closer to the Spock of ST:TOS, it's seven years forward from 'current day' for the show. It really comes across clearly in the tea-not-coffee scene. Also, the actor playing Kirk made the conscious decision not to imitate Shatner (IIRC) basically saying that any attempt would just be a mockery.

listopencil 07-09-2022 09:48 PM
Although I do wish they had gone for a better physical similarity for Kirk, and Uhura as well. Nichelle Nichols was smoking hot and this girl just isn't.

Frazod 07-09-2022 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16362685)
Although I do wish they had gone for a better physical similarity for Kirk, and Uhura as well. Nichelle Nichols was smoking hot and this girl just isn't.
I would have preferred it had they given her a hairstyle like Nichols had in the original series. Maybe the actress didn't want to wear a wig. Who knows?

Frazod 07-09-2022 11:26 PM
And while she may not be as pretty as young Nichelle was, she certainly looks better with hair.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...14,317_AL_.jpg

It takes a seriously hot woman to rock a ****ing crew cut. And she definitely isn't that.

Jamie 07-10-2022 01:48 PM
I really didn't like they guy they cast as Kirk. He didn't look or sound like Kirk, and didn't have the charisma either. Say what you will about the JJ movies, Chris Pine did at least have the charisma to pull it off.

Frazod 07-10-2022 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 16363120)
I really didn't like they guy they cast as Kirk. He didn't look or sound like Kirk, and didn't have the charisma either. Say what you will about the JJ movies, Chris Pine did at least have the charisma to pull it off.
Can’t really disagree with this. Pine wasn’t really Shatner-like either, but he had the passion and charisma needed to pull off the role. This guy is pretty wooden.

It was Mount that really sold that episode. Great performance.

listopencil 07-10-2022 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 16363120)
I really didn't like they guy they cast as Kirk. He didn't look or sound like Kirk, and didn't have the charisma either. Say what you will about the JJ movies, Chris Pine did at least have the charisma to pull it off.
Yeah. There wasn't really anything special about him. Nothing compelling. His screen presence was on par with the guy playing his brother and the characters only had some minor differences in personality. There are several actors playing regulars on the series who would steal scenes from him constantly if he he was on the show.

Frazod 07-10-2022 04:39 PM
I actually like the guy who plays Sam. He's kind of a low rent Sam Rockwell from Galaxy Quest. But he wouldn't be anymore suitable to play Kirk than this guy is.

Ironically, in the TOS episode where Sam was shown dead, it was just Shatner sporting a cheesy mustache.

listopencil 07-10-2022 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16363241)
I actually like the guy who plays Sam. He's kind of a low rent Sam Rockwell from Galaxy Quest. But he wouldn't be anymore suitable to play Kirk than this guy is.

Ironically, in the TOS episode where Sam was shown dead, it was just Shatner sporting a cheesy mustache.
Makes me wonder if the show runners had a bias towards casting Kirk a certain way, conscious or unconscious. Because the existence of Kirk is a marker for the end of this show.

BigRedChief 07-11-2022 10:24 AM
Finally got caught up. Agreed with others. Fantastic last episode. Definitely the best "Star Trek" that's been put on streaming.

Frazod 07-11-2022 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16363281)
Makes me wonder if the show runners had a bias towards casting Kirk a certain way, conscious or unconscious. Because the existence of Kirk is a marker for the end of this show.
Maybe. Or perhaps they kept him bland so he wouldn't steal Mount's thunder.

I guess my biggest problem with this Kirk is that he was too calm and deferential. Sam went on and on about what a pain in the ass he was, but he really wasn't. Remember when original Kirk went up against Commodore Decker in Doomsday Machine? When Decker put his ship at risk, he got pissed and gave not one **** about the senior rank. Had they both been on the Enterprise, Kirk would have probably beat his ass and dragged him to the brig himself, regulations be damned. There would have been none of Spock's tapdancing around regulations. In this one, Pike's inaction actually did cost him his ship and obviously the lives of many of his crew. New Kirk barely seemed bothered; IMO he would have reacted to that much like Decker himself did when the Constellation was defeated. Simply put, Shatner's Kirk would have lost his shit.

[Grabbing Pike by the throat] YOU... DIDN'T FIRE! FARRAGUT... IS LOST... BECAUSE OF YOU! [punches Pike, knocks him on his ass]

KC_Connection 07-11-2022 11:43 PM
Finally got to watching the finale, that was excellent. Certainly the best in a season with some other very good episodes.

I think I can also safely say now that it's over that this was the best first season of any Trek series since TOS itself, which is a pretty incredible achievement considering how mediocre to downright terrible some of what has been produced since its revival five years ago. The franchise is very much alive again with the introduction of this series and I only wish that we could have gotten more of it. My hope is that CBS/Paramount recognizes what they have in SNW and pushes its resources towards it.

BigRedChief 07-13-2022 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16364829)
Finally got to watching the finale, that was excellent. Certainly the best in a season with some other very good episodes.

I think I can also safely say now that it's over that this was the best first season of any Trek series since TOS itself, which is a pretty incredible achievement considering how mediocre to downright terrible some of what has been produced since its revival five years ago. The franchise is very much alive again with the introduction of this series and I only wish that we could have gotten more of it. My hope is that CBS/Paramount recognizes what they have in SNW and pushes its resources towards it.
Yeah, it was my hope that this series would turn around Star Trek like the Mandolrian did for Star Wars. That was a high bar. They met it. Hope Paramount learns from this, listens to the fans, when they put out the revival of TOS.

BigRedChief 07-13-2022 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16364134)
Maybe. Or perhaps they kept him bland so he wouldn't steal Mount's thunder.

I guess my biggest problem with this Kirk is that he was too calm and deferential. Sam went on and on about what a pain in the ass he was, but he really wasn't. Remember when original Kirk went up against Commodore Decker in Doomsday Machine? When Decker put his ship at risk, he got pissed and gave not one **** about the senior rank. Had they both been on the Enterprise, Kirk would have probably beat his ass and dragged him to the brig himself, regulations be damned. There would have been none of Spock's tapdancing around regulations. In this one, Pike's inaction actually did cost him his ship and obviously the lives of many of his crew. New Kirk barely seemed bothered; IMO he would have reacted to that much like Decker himself did when the Constellation was defeated. Simply put, Shatner's Kirk would have lost his shit.

[Grabbing Pike by the throat] YOU... DIDN'T FIRE! FARRAGUT... IS LOST... BECAUSE OF YOU! [punches Pike, knocks him on his ass]
I saw an interview with him where he said he didn't even try to recreate Shatners mannerisms with Kirk. Said it would come off as a parody.

Frazod 07-13-2022 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16366269)
I saw an interview with him where he said he didn't even try to recreate Shatners mannerisms with Kirk. Said it would come off as a parody.
I guess that makes sense. I can't think of a time when anybody has imitated Shatner's Kirk except for laughs.

Perhaps only Shatner can do Shatner.

Jamie 07-13-2022 07:02 PM
I've wondered if there's a little bit of a Shatner impression in that staccato way Avery Brooks speaks as Sisko. He doesn't really talk like that outside of playing Sisko, at least not that I've seen.

KC_Connection 07-13-2022 07:29 PM
Nobody can replicate Shatner and honestly nobody should even try (Chris Pine didn't and it still worked in the movies). I will say that Wesley's appearance as Kirk was kind of jarring for me in that episode when first introduced, but it sort of worked for me by the end.

I don't think I'll have any issue with it in S2, though I don't think he was anywhere near the best casting choice they could have made with this character.

Couch-Potato 07-13-2022 07:39 PM
Big fan!

BigRedChief 07-15-2022 03:48 PM
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I saw an interview with him where he said he didn't even try to recreate Shatners mannerisms with Kirk. Said it would come off as a parody.
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I guess that makes sense. I can't think of a time when anybody has imitated Shatner's Kirk except for laughs.

Perhaps only Shatner can do Shatner.
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Nobody can replicate Shatner and honestly nobody should even try (Chris Pine didn't and it still worked in the movies). I will say that Wesley's appearance as Kirk was kind of jarring for me in that episode when first introduced, but it sort of worked for me by the end.

I don't think I'll have any issue with it in S2, though I don't think he was anywhere near the best casting choice they could have made with this character.
this would be the time to get better acting in the role.

I’d like to see a “Kirk” V. Klingons origin story. The Worf looking Klingons, not that Atrious shit from Discovery. Maybe in a few years Tarantino might dust off his already done script turned into a 10 episode arc on Paramount+ or whoever owns the rights by then.

BigBeauford 08-19-2022 08:38 AM
3 episodes in, only watched the Star Trek movies starting with 08', and I think it is terrific so far. This spock is already much better than the recent movie versions.

Bowser 04-29-2023 08:43 PM
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listopencil 05-31-2023 09:02 AM
Season Two is only a couple of weeks away from what I've read. So there's something I saw recently that made sense to me. I read an article about the obvious tech differences popping up in these shows, like the way that the Enterprise in this show seems more advanced than the Enterprise in the original show even though that's completely backwards. The idea is that all of the time traveling has screwed up tech advancement badly. Bits and chunks of future tech keeps being left behind by time traveling Trek characters. So history keeps being rewritten as teams of scientists reverse engineer the stuff. It's a fun idea and the article implied that this idea is canon.


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