NFL would slap that suspension on Kamara as soon as he was put on our roster.

Not guys at Cook's level.

The worst deal out there last year was universally seen as Kirk's deal. His contract was effective 2 years, $39 million with a couple of team options for about $15 million/yr.

That was for his age 26-29 seasons.

You'd be getting Cooks at $18 million starting in his age 30 season. That's a BIG difference.

The only reason to trade for Cooks is if you don't believe you can extend Juju IMO.

With what our defensive front looks like, I dont' think spending that on a 30 year old wr who's bounced around is smart.

I feel like we've been talking about Cooks every year the last 5 years or so.

Yeah... I'm not sure about Belichick, honestly. Brady won a super bowl immediately after leaving and the hoodie can't put together a playoff team. Since Belichick vs. Brady is why he left, I'd imagine the leash is shorter than you'd expect.

I could see the Colts looking to fire sale, simply because Andrew Luck - national hero - quit on them unexpectedly three years ago and there have been zero opportunities to draft a franchise guy. they have 52 really good players, but a total rebuild is coming if they can't trade up to #1.

Packers are going to be driving the cost up on every WR option conceivably available. That's going to be a bit annoying.

Probably because we have. Dude's been traded a half dozen times or so.

Since we're all just sitting around here suckin' on our big ol' chili dogs, let me posit a question to you.

If a team called and wanted to acquire Noah Gray or Darius Harris, what would you charge to be willing to get the deal done?

I mention both guys because they are assets teams would ostensibly want (for instance: nobody wants Frank Clark), and we have enough resources at both positions to get by without them.

What draft pick would you accept for either player?

Gray I'd probably trade for a 3rd. I'd listen for a 4th, but I'm not sure I make that deal. Veach has been pretty killer with 4ths though.

Harris I may not trade, as he is our always-needed Gay insurance. But if you threw a 3rd my way, I'd probably jump on that. I may jump on it for a 4th as well, honestly.

They're worth more to us than they are to anyone else.

If you're looking to acquire someone like that you might be willing to give up a 5th rounder.

And in both cases, I'd rather have the player than the pick.

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Yeah - ain't anybody giving up a 3rd for a guy with 16 career catches for 115 yards or a LB who was cut and could've signed anywhere else in the off-season but came back on a minimum contract.

They're valuable depth here. Would I give up either of them for a 3rd? Well yeah, but we might as well be talking about getting a 2 for Lucas Niang at this point. It's just not a realistic conversation to have.

A long term extension eh?
I think I'll pass. I'm having Frank Clark flashbacks.

I don't want Chubb.

The price tag is going to be way too high for a guy that can't stay healthy.

I like Chubb alot, but the injury history probably scares me off that.

I would be interested in giving up a 3rd for a rental as it would basically be moving down the draft slot as we've got a comp 3 at the end IIRC anyway.

But still, sadly, I don't think I'd be interested in what it woudl take to get him.

Would you eat the moon if it were made out of cheese

Denver dealing Chubb would be massively funny. They give away all their picks for sorry as Russ and then suck and have to turn around and kill the team and don't Jeudy is off the trade table as well. He isn't.

Hey! don't jerk me around Ronald! It's a simple question, would you eat a dinosaur?

I know I would! And I'd wash it down with a tall cool Budweiser.

It's not inconceivable that an NFL team sees him and sees the ceiling of an above-average starting TE in the NFL. It's not his fault he has a Hall of Famer gobbling up snaps in front of him.

And I think that criticism of Harris is unfair -- he has shown he's a starting caliber off ball linebacker this season, after he came back.

I will agree they are both worth more to us than the pick, but that's why I wouldn't move on either of them unless the compensation was strong/overwhelming.

I think that's an easier argument to make for, say, Albert O.

And Albert O ain't getting more than a 5th.

I have to admit, it feels pretty damn good reading this post. The Broncos might just have the dumbest front office in the entire NFL. They might have to trade away a diamond to hold on to a lit paper bag full of shit who's sitting on their front porch the next four seasons... LOL

I think it's a real reach to say any other team would see Grey as an above average starter. He's our guy and I don't think any of us see that.

Don't forget about Justyn Ross....

You can go ahead and forget about Justyn Ross...

The Broncos failure is so spectacular, so total. They might as well put Elway back in charge.

I suppose we can agree to disagree on that front.

He absolutely has the upside to become that. He just doesn't get a ton of opportunity.

I was going to say it's impossible to forget about Justyn Ross considering I never thought of him in the first place...

They'd have to give him an extension for this to work. Converting base salary to cash would still count as $16.5 million per season given it's the last two seasons. Given he's 31 at the end of his current contract, how much longer are you going to sign a guy more known for his speed than his size (5'10" 185lbs)?

This. We get him and Kyle Long back and our OL and WRs will be better than ever!

Who the **** is Justyn Ross?

I don't understand the point. Both players serve important roles on our team. I love getting draft picks, but a couple or 5th, 6th, 7th round picks isn't enough return to replace their current experience/value to the team, IMO.

Quinn to the Iggles.

Howie playing chess when others play checkers.

Stacking their DL.

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Damn a 4th we should have done that

4th rounder is cheap, damn

Saving it for Kareem Hunt

Hope we're in for Hughes

I'd much rather have had QUinn than Hughes.

Ngakoue needs to be headed to KC for like a 5th.

I’d be hard pressed to see them trade for anyone.

The Chiefs?

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Yeah. After the plan they laid out in the offseason…I don’t see them selling out mid season like that. They’ll ride what they have.

Yeah, if Chicago is absorbing the salary and only getting a 4th, that sets a pretty makeable market for Hughes.

I would think a 4th MIGHT get you Hughes and Green at that price point. I'd be all over that.

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I dont' understand why the Chiefs wouldn't be all over that Quinn deal.

Maybe they think he's washed? Don't want to give up higher than a 5th? You'd think with Poles there they could've gotten something done.

Quinn doesn't have the numbers this year, but he's been doubled alot and can still bend well.

Oh well, on to the next hope.

They don't make 'em much more brokedick than Andre Dillard.

But I'd bring him on cheap as a swing tackle and possible replacement for Wylie if they think they can get him up to speed quickly enough. He's a much better athlete than Wylie.

He's FA next year right? I mentioned on another thread I liked him as a reclamation project but maybe from the offseason?

Don't laugh, but are we SURE Wanogho isn't worth a go? Pretty certain he's a LT only but I dunno, he's looked like a decent athlete on incredibly limited snaps...

WTF? Quinn to the Eagles? Jeez....that team is loaded.

Especially if the Chiefs can get Houston to eat a healthy dose of that $18 million this year and the compensation is modest.

I mean, a 3rd is probably a max in my book for the guy though.

Cooks can bring a certain Tyreek-like element back to this offense in short order.

If you watched him closely in that game Sunday night I think you’d understand.

I don't get the Hughes hype at all.

Why do we need another aging, mediocre DE who rarely gets to the QB again?

I was trying to think about the mechanics of how they'd do that.

I mean I guess the easy answer is a new contract that turns his salary next year into bonus this year and reduces his guaranteed salary next season.

But at a point what's the cash value of the draft pick? Or hell, the rollover value of the cap space?

Let's say in one hand you can move him for a 7th round pick to a team that's just willing to take the contract.

And on the other you can convert that $18 million in guarantees to $7 million in guarantees and $11 million in bonus that accelerates onto your cap. In so doing, you can get yourself a 3rd.

If you're the Texans, you're effectively buying a 3rd rounder for $11 million. You're writing him that check right then and there.

Is that worthwhile for the owner? Is it a good use of the cap space for the team? Because if you don't use it, you'll have it next season via the rollover mechanism.

There's gotta be a puke point in there somewhere, right?

I thought he looked pretty good?

I'm equally befuddled.

I don't know if it's the "he has 4 sacks already this year" thing or what but when you look at his history as a player, he's always been mediocre as a pass rusher, he normally only gets 4 or 5 sacks total, and he's not especially great against the run.

My book is he's not even a one-trick pony... he's like a half-trick.

I mean, if you want a guy that will be on par with Frank Clark, he's it.

It takes so long for WR's to learn Andy's system I've been told, so I don't think that's a good idea.

Skill set.

He's still quick off the line and we don't have anyone who is.

He's a component this roster doesn't have from the edge.

My thoughts exactly.

We already have Clark and Dunlap. We're all set on aging, limited DE's.

You know who is quick off the line from the edge?

Dunlap is the wrong kind of player. He's just big and long and lumbering. He's a pure power rusher.

Yes, Hughes and Dunlap are similar in results and age and cost and aaaaaall that stuff. But they get there in different (and ultimately complementary ways).

They're mirror images of each other and that's really not a bad thing to add to the roster at all.

Jerry Hughes is washed and sucks. Move on.

:cuss: You shut your mouth about the very thought of trading number 47, Darius Harris! Shame on you!

He will still be on his rookie deal when a couple guys are going to want to get a huge pay day. :cuss:

Yeah i don't really agree with you here. I think he's a non impact player who won't add anything to our already underwhelming group. Just another body who will kinda almost get there but won't.

It's a deal for this year only. If it's the only option we have, why not try to throw bodies and see what might work or at least allow our DEs to be be more rotational and hopefully fresher?

Quinn for a 4th seems reasonable. Surprised we weren’t in on it.

Agreed, and to be honest I don't get anyone watching both he and Quinn this year and banging the table for Quinn but rejecting Hughes out of hand. Hughes is playing well in a turd team, and he's still, remarkably, quick. We really don't have another guy like that and even in a pretty limited role I think he offers a fair amount.

He'd basically be another Melvin Ingram-type signing. Probably get him for a 5th or 6th and he's scheduled to make slightly less than $6M over the next TWO seasons.

Who do you want them to get? Brian ****ing Burns isn't coming to KC.

Exactly. O just doesn't have any time for realistic trades. Gotta be the white whale variety for him to get excited.

KC doesn't need to sign anyone else to win the SB this year. Buffalo is the only other team that can challenge for the title...the Eagles are bullshit frauds. Considering KC would've comfortably beaten Buffalo if they hadn't stepped on their own dicks, why worry? Let shitheel teams like Denver and LV mortgage their futures for no reason.

I was just looking at his contract and apparently, there was some misreporting being done or something...

He has 1.17 of guaranteed salary this year and 8.11 million in bonus money. His salary goes up to 18 and 13 million in 2023 and 2024, respectively. They have the 8.11 million in bonus money tacked on in each of those years for cap hits of 26 and 21 million.

So, they are really just paying the balance of the 8.11 left this year, let's call it about 5 million, to pick up a 3rd-round pick provided they are intent on releasing him anyhow in the offseason.

If you can restructure a little of that money next year into a bonus, for example 5 million, you could have Cooks for 2 years at 15.5 million per. That's not bad for a guy that can get you 1100 yards in an offense taylor-made for his skill set.

Hughes and Cooks did not practice today. Not injury related

I'd rather they hold on to their picks rather than use them to throw shit at the wall.

Ya'll are basically spending a pick on an aging player who's been mediocre at best his entire career hoping that it'll somehow pan out.

To me, it looks like wasting a pick just to waste a pick.

You could get Hughes for a 5th, possibly a 6th. We did the same exact thing with Melvin Ingram a year ago and worked out just fine. We won't miss those picks.

:drool:

I still have hope on us swinging a trade for Sweat.

That guy would be an absolutely perfect fit across from Furious George.