Do we need a magical fix? We needed to be one possession better to win. Our offense did well enough. But there was plenty of room to be better.

Losing by 3pts= skull ****ing?

That loss sucks balls, especially with the lead and the ball in the 4th quarter to piss it away.

But we are where we have been the last few years. Top of the pack right there with Buffalo with an easy schedule to finish.

Buffalo is going to lose a game or two. Hell Buffalo and Cincy play first week of January.

Win out and sit back and we should have the #1 seed.

I love the enthusiasm, but my gut tells me we are going to drop another game.

Hope I'm wrong.

isn't that on spags? this didnt just happen once... also again due to zone coverages, Chase was able to line up away from Mcduffie and run slant routes across the middle without much opposition. the plan didn't seem to work... the score wasn't nearly as bad as it could've been.. they should've dropped a 40 burger on us had they not dropped an easy td and scored at the end instead of being able to kneel..

how can you be so sure these continued failures are only blamed on the players and not the plan because I am not so sure. on one hand you make excuses for spags then later you say it's ugly when it doesn't work. well if the plan isn't working maybe it needs changed?

To who?

looks very soft. is Seattle the best of the rest?

Probably Raiders

Probably and they really aren't very good.

We have a baffling loss every once in a while.


It wouldn't shock me if the team we shit on at will pulls a rabbit out of the hat. We were a freak fumble recovery for a TD away from losing to them last year.

Well, it's not even close to the worst OL now, so who cares about before?

Yep. Raiders game will not be a gimme. And it could be an important game for both teams.

Why people act like KC should roll the Raiders on the road is beyond me. That's a much better team than their record.

But that never happens to the other teams? You expect Buffalo to win out and everyone else to take care of business and KC to **** it up even though ALL the evidence the last 4 years says otherwise?

Alrighty.

I didn't say it doesn't happen to other teams.

Considering Mahomes is something like 27-2 in the past few seasons in Nov/Dec/Jan regular season games and both losses were to the Bengals, notbsure why we'd predict a bad loss. And IIRC, the only other one going back to like 2019 was to the Titans.

They've obviously had some surprises no one saw coming, like the 2nd half of the AFCCG, but losing yesterday doesn't mean shit for running the table against that dumpster fire list of teams.

It's the nature of this part of the season but I hate scoreboard watching. I'd feel a lot more comfortable controlling our own destiny.

The Bills SHOULD lose at least 1 more game.
The Chiefs SHOULD run the table.

The AFC Playoffs are going to be a dogfight, regardless of where we are seeded.

Should can be a BIG word.

I can see dropping 1 to a team like the Raiders at the end of the season. I'd be okay with 13-4. But feel like we will be going into the playoffs with a 16-1 offense paired with a 9-8 defense.

We need a new voice on D and some players that are mean. Other defensive players seem to always make sure they hit every tackle with the intention of making sure the opposing offensive player has the hit in his mind the next time.

Chiefs D barely hits them hard enough to tackle them and it shows.

Good writeup Meck. Hard to disagree with much.

I ****ing hate losing, but I'm strangely fine, here. Mahomes has calmed a shitload of my anxiety.

Here's the thing, I'm under no dumbass idea that we need to win the super bowl every year. I have to park that side of my brain, because it isn't happening. Even Brady who cheated incessantly, was the NFL darling, and invariably got a shitton of calls because large market and they had a 10 year drought. It will suck, but we're going to miss some super bowls. But my objective is to enjoy Mahomes, and if we accomplish shit, enjoy that too, because Mahomes is the best there has ever been. I'm here to enjoy it.

Viewing the world from that perspective, yeah this one sucked, but I'm strangely fine. Don't get me wrong we needed this one. Needed it for seeding. Really needed the bye. Needed it for our confidence, just to know we could house them. There's no hiding it. We needed it and they took it from us.

But here's the thing, this one falls into the margins of "football". If you look at these teams on paper and their performance, they're good. If you line these up 100 times it's probably 60/40 Chiefs I'd guess. Maybe 50/50 in Cinci. We lost this one, and they played well. They were ready. They played well largely. Couple shit ref calls, a couple missed reads, couple dumbass plays, probably 10-15 plays that went their way that could have flipped the game.

But they had a few too. If we pulled it out, their message boards sound like ours. "Why didn't we run Perine more?" "Catch the MOTHER****ING BALL." "OL played well enough to win" "Our DL sucks, why can't we get to Mahomes" "Who is this Pacheco mother****er, we suck so much if we're going to let a JAG run all over us?" "WTF was Joe doing on that ****ing pick?" "Refs won't call holding." "Their DBs are holding all day long."

So longwinded way of saying that it is a close game of 2 teams that are close to each other.

And that's fine with me. It isn't great that both the top of the AFC teams beat us. But similar deal. Buffalo BLEW US OUT last year and we beat them in the playoffs. The inexplicable shit pisses me off way more, like the butt****ing Colts game. If we line up 100 times with the Colts, no way they win more than 10 of those matchups, right? MAYBE 5. Those pisses me right the **** off more than this one.

Sometimes you don't get the bounces. But we're right there with them. And that's about all I can ask. And is it the worst thing in the world to potentially have to go rip these ****s souls out in their place in the playoffs?

It sucks, we have shit to fix, but we aren't winning them all. I'm here for the Mahomes.

It's almost like....we're starting a bunch of rookies on that defense. Anyone who didn't think that this year was a retooling year and was going to be a little more tough....wasn't being honest with themselves.

It's week 13. Enough with the rookie shit.

I’m with you on this. We’ve gone back to being lunch pail. When HB was actually trying he was a terrific leader. We need someone in our back 7 to be our swagger guy.

Oh **** off. Our CBs, outside of Sneed and McDuffie, are a 4th round small school pick and a 7th rounder.

If you want to blame anything on this defense...blame the defensive line.

I noticed him whiff a couple tackles yesterday. That's about it.

Anyone who thinks KC will get to week 18 against the Raiders with the #1 seed on the line and lose to them needs to get their head examined.

Reid was a very good player for Houston, makes me wonder how much of it is scheme because this defense just doesn't create many turnovers.

As much as we all hate to admit it Denver ALWAYS plays us tough. Those two games will be their season.

They're shooting blanks man.

Just saying https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e9e318b659.jpg

But they're absolutely terrible.

We're going to have to score at least 16 points to beat them.

just don't use jon baker on kickoffs

I think the DL is a much bigger issue last game.

I thought Furious George had several nice snaps. Jones and Dunlap certainly deserve a ton of credit on that 4th down turnover series. That’s 3 huge individual effort tackles to force a turnover on downs with 3 plays to get 1 yard.

But Jesus Christ on WAY TOO MANY passing downs they would send 5, engage with the lineman and stop ****ing moving. All 5 of them. I’ve never seen anything like it. Not washed out. Not overran. Not jammed up on a double. Just one on one and getting ****ing stoned 5x. I’ve never seen anything like it.

Next Gen stat of the game: The Chiefs defense generated a season-low 15.6 QB pressure percentage (25.7 from Weeks 1-12).

https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-se...sunday-s-games

Orlovsky pointed out this morning that the Bengals swapped personnel (positions) to create mismatches.

They had Chase in the backfield and Evans out wide to cause confusion in coverage.

Not really though.

22-9 was stupid but never really in doubt.
43-16
23-3
30-6

That's from the last 6 games with the other two being close. Played them closer in 2018 and going back into the Alex years. :shrug:

I wonder if the strategy was to keep him in the pocket so they played conservative with the rush to stay in their lanes.

If that was the plan, it was stupid. He's no statue, but I am WAY more terrified of him in the pocket tossing it to whomever, than I am him running, plus he doesn't throw on the move like Mahomes.

Dude is best in the pocket. That's why he eats so many sacks.

It’s was weird. I kept thinking how the hell is it Mahomes has like 1.5 seconds when they bring 3 but every blitz we bring gets picked up and stonewalled like the online was ran by AI or some shit lol.

Just my two cents, and I'm probably off by a mile, but it looked like Spags was mush rushing a lot, and he dropped a DL into short coverage a lot.

I think he was trying to simulate pressure and make Burrow throw a pass that could be tipped. Burrow has a lot for them in his career and several have been defensed/picked.

Again, I don't really know, but that's what it looked like to me in the heat of the moment. But watch some of those clips that have been posted since the game in various threads, and several times we've got DLs just a couple-three yards off the LoS right in front of Burrow with their hands up like they're waiting to try and bat a pass. And they took their swings, just didn't get lucky and bat them.

Not saying this was the only thing Spags and the defense tried either, because there are plenty of snaps where that doesn't happen. but there were a handful when it did.

One play here, a different penalty there and we walk out with the W

We lost by 3 on the road to a loaded team... I'm moving on :arrow:

Yea. It’s frustrating but focus and the remaining games and win and it will take care of itself.

Watching the game the most puzzling thing was how bad our DL was.

It made me so mad I was screaming at my tv.

Running game slowed them down. Balanced offenses are the achilles heel of the Chiefs defense. Been that way the entire Mahomes era.

We've already ripped off one 5 game win streak, so lets get one more and PRAY we see Cincy again in the playoffs

Even on obvious passing downs our DL no-showed.

I don't see a loss. I certainly don't see two. . . But I see a couple of slogs that will surprise some. They aren't producing on offense, but they are holding nearly EVERYONE down on defense. Not streaky, or occasionally fortunate, legit week-in, week-out stifling.

Seeing Mahomes sling us to a quick early lead would be an immense relief when the time comes.

Patrick was saying we have to take that kind of thing with the kind of play and production that Kelce brings. I disagree. There is never a reason to not take care of the football.

You can say the Bengal players made a play on Kelce and I don't disagree. I am certain tonight though that Travis knows he had to take care of that ball and he failed to do so.

That's the truth, Patrick.

I am pissed because now at least 3 of Kelce's career fumbles were on the exact same play.

There was absolutely nothing to be gained by trying to fight 6 guys, or however many, for an extra yard.

Just FN go down. Remember in SB 54, when Tyreek caught the long Jet Chip Wasp pass? He started to battle the defenders, and Sammy Watkins was running towards the play pointing and yelling for Tyreek to go down. That's the smart play.

I don't remember the specific games, but I know that before Sunday, Kelce lost at least 2 fumbles the same way, fighting for an extra yard or two. NOT fighting for a first down, because he already had the 1st, but just an extra yard or two.

He is the greatest TE of all-time, and I am beyond grateful that he is a Kansas City Chief, but this was just an ignorant play by a future HOFer.

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I wonder if there’s truth to some of our guys not feeling 100%. There were rumors kelce was sick, clark was almost a no go, juju was sick earlier in the week. Not making excuses but maybe there’s reason to be optimistic that we’re better than what we showed. You’d have to imagine mahomes had a little distracting of a week as well having had a baby earlier in the week

I thought the same thing. Kelce seemed to be on the sideline quite a bit more than normal. I'd hate to ask about the number of snaps from our WRs and TEs because --- well you know. ;) :evil:

You’ll never ever ever hear kelce admit it if true because he’s just that kind of standup dude. But his eyes looked pretty shot and he was huffing.

As far as the Kelce fumble, two things.

1) why don't we see the Chiefs defenders ganging up and trying to strip the ball?
2) was Kelce fighting for extra yards or was he being held up while they tried to strip the ball?

I don't like the pushing the pile rule for the offense. If you allow this, why don't they allow the defenders to do the same thing? Are we playing American Football or Rugby?

FWIW, I saw on Twitter someone said Holthus was on CDot's show yesterday and confirmed that Kelce (and some others, I think maybe Bolton being one, and he had a horrible game) had been sick 48 hours before the game.

I knew that this game would hinge on our DLine. I remember last year we just never got pressure and burrow got to do what he wanted. Although our offense lost last years AFCCG for us by not scoring in the second half, if we get like 1 maybe 2 sack that game to end a drive we win that one. Upsetting that this is still an issue.

At some point you have to look at spags he has had what 4 years of influence over this roster? These are his guys and really how much has our defense improved from year 1 of his system? In a lot of ways it seems to be the same defense every year regardless of the players. A middle of the pack mediocre unit, never elite. Andy will never move on from him so it is pointless to talk about it but I think we can do better. Mahomes doesn't get to have a defense....he has to be perfect every game. Hope he doesn't get tired of it eventually.

Disappointing loss, but we are still sitting in good shape. I hope the bengals get launched by another team because we flat out can't beat them. I don't want to play them again because we just don't see to have the answers there. Yea you can say "oh it was the fumble" or whatever but reality is, these guys have beat us 3 times in a row in a calendar year basically. They are the better team until we prove otherwise. I Think they are just the kryptonite, bad personelle matchup for us. Hope Andy an dco can figure that one out because they sure as hell have our number.

No.

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I think an issue we have with the DL is we have too many specialized types up there. We have guys to play the run and guys to rush the passer but not guys that can really do both, other than Jones.

Danna against the run just tends to get washed out, but he can rush better than most we've got.

I think they need to get Williams up and ready to go and plug him in up there and stop the run firts.

I said this. A lot of the teams body language was off. Guys were just casually walking off the field between plays. DL got stonewalled continuously. Defense gave up more YAC than usual.

It certainly seems like he would've helped on Sunday.

I understand they're proclivity to want to stop the pass, but you just can't get ran on like we did and expect to stop anyone.

They already bounced off and fell down.

Both. At first he was fighting for yards, but when he was stripped he was trying to go down but being held up.

Allegretti struggled more on second watch than I thought

Yeah, I posted in the game thread that I was a pretty big Stan for Allegretti because he's cheap and versatile but he was getting ****ing destroyed out there. We really missed Thuney.

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