Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16986866)

lmao

as usual comic book purists over-analyze everything at an extremely autistic level and can't just enjoy the movie

iron man 3 is widely regarded as one of the worst MCU movies, which was even apparent to non-sperglords, and this was FAR better than that mess

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16986768)

Superman is a boring as **** character who shouldn’t be relied on to carry an entire trilogy by himself.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16986868)

the flash even has a higher RT than man of steel right now but you wouldn't know it by some of these reactions

idiots acting like it's green lantern level

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16986875)

I used to agree but lately I've flopped. I think Superman is pretty ****ing awesome.

A lot of people don't like the invulnerable Boy Scout deal, but if you focus on the positives, he's pretty dope.

He definitely benefits from getting his interposal relationships right as well as a strong villain. That's true for basically all superheroes except Spider-Man and Batman, though, so I won't hold that against him.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16986875)

I used to agree but lately I've flopped. I think Superman is pretty ****ing awesome.

A lot of people don't like the invulnerable Boy Scout deal, but if you focus on the positives, he's pretty dope.

He definitely benefits from getting his interposal relationships right as well as a strong villain. That's true for basically all superheroes except Spider-Man and Batman, though, so I won't hold that against him.

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16986791)

Gunn's already announced his Superman is loosely based off of All-Star Superman, which is more of the boy scout vibe you're referring to.

I think DC can produce decent superhero movies if WB doesn't ****ing meddle with everything. In terms of writing, Joker and Nolan trilogy are far superior to any story written in the MCU save for Infinity War/Endgame (which are mega events), and Winter Soldier. I also think DC's "worst" movies can be way worse than Marvel's worst. Marvel, for the better part of the past 15 years, has made movies that don't rock the boat too much. Not as much upside to great but still less downside to be bad.

If Gunn's given full control to do whatever the **** he wants, their movies should be fine. I think Marvel's in a vulnerable position given a majority of their movies have been super mid since Endgame and are now tied to an actor who has some pretty serious allegations against him. No way in hell will the DCU come close to the MCU, but the next few years should help secure it's footing while the DCEU was put behind the 8 ball with the MCU having a 5 year head start.

If not, DC is ****ed.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986874)

Iron Man 3 wasn't good, there are numerous movies that were done by Marvel in that period that were nothing jobs or just bland. The issue though is DC didn't earn the eh well there will be a few bad ones sometimes but they'll get the important stuff right, that Marvel did.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16986892)

the issue is that you think almost everything sucks because you are a miserable person

iron man 3 was a fun watch too

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986896)

No I really don't to be honest. But there's a reason a superhero movie made 55 million dollars in it's opening weekend, someone ****ed up.

Warner turned off all of the fans and ****ed it up, period.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986890)

While I enjoy the Dark Knight something I've heard and I'll agree with is, that trilogy is literally just 3 crime drama's where they just add in Batman characters.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986896)

No I really don't to be honest. But there's a reason a superhero movie made 55 million dollars in it's opening weekend, someone ****ed up.

Warner turned off all of the fans and ****ed it up, period.

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16986906)

I don’t disagree which is why I tend to think Bale’s rendition to not be Batman.

It’s an else-world story.

Keaton, Affleck, and Pattinson do a much better job at depicting Batman than Bale does in part to their scripts being more faithful to the comics (aside from Batman Returns which is just Tim Burton doing Tim Burton shit).

TDK trilogy is great, but it’s its own thing. Pattinson’s Batman and the plot is probably the most faithful to the comics. While Batman vs Superman is a steaming pile of shit, Batfleck is actually pretty awesome and somewhere beneath the dogshit Superman story is an interesting Batman story.



WB ****ed up with BvS which turned off a shit ton of people from DC.

WB was ****ed in this situation because of Miller's situation as well as its previous movies. The best case for WB is Flash breaks even and they have a clean break for Gunn to do WTF he wants.

It's a damn shame because this movie is actually good and the negative media attention has moreso to do with Miller having mental health problems and decisions made by prior WB leadership as well as creative differences with Whedon and Snyder.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16986902)

the amount of money a film makes is not indicative of it's quality

case in point, the han solo movie

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986913)

Good luck on it breaking even...it had a worse open than Black Adam which didn't break even...and Aquaman and is gonna tank hard because it literally only made money due to China and China isn't turning out for western flicks like they use to.

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16986926)

It has an 85% audience rating on RT and 66% from critics.

This movie isn't dogshit and really isn't divisive. It's good.

****ing damn shame.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986929)

So in short Ezra Miller being a real shithead person tanked the movie?

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16986930)

That combined with other opinions formed from existing DCEU movies, yes.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986932)

That's probably more it, DC didn't earn any goodwill at all with all of the bad movies and issues they've had for years.

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16986934)

The majority of gripes I've seen have been regarding the CGI, which at some points, is pretty shoddy.

Otherwise, the plot is good. The acting is good. The pacing is good. Are there things that could be better? Sure. But it's not a cookie-cutter super hero movie.

****, I'll go on record with this.

While Endgame is cool and good and does a great job at closing the Infinity saga, this does a better job at handling and explaining the multiverse as it's much more self-contained and not trying to expand the IP by launching TV shows or other movies.

inb4hate



Which is warranted, but Muschietti wasn't part of the mess that Snyder/Whedon dealt with.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986939)

I heard Batman explains why he's old with a noodle.

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16986934)

Otherwise, the plot is good. The acting is good. The pacing is good. Are there things that could be better? Sure. But it's not a cookie-cutter super hero movie.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986939)

I heard Batman explains why he's old with a noodle.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16986882)

The issue though is, if you take away what Superman is, you destroy him as a character. Him being moral and the boy scout is who he is, he does the right thing, if you make him this dark brooding dude who's mad about what happened to him and his dad etc...then he just becomes a Batman offshoot.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16987412)

Apparently it's bombing spectacularly. Originally projected to have an domestic opening of 140 million+, they dropped it over time until it ended up in the 60 to 80 range, and it only managed 55 million domestically

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16987629)

I don't know what issues Gunn has with Cavill, but his stubborn obstinance about not including him and everything about the release of this movie makes me think he's potentially just not the right fit to be a head of an entire studio. We'll see if he ultimately turns it around but this was a wretched start to his run.

Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan (Post 16988560)

This movie was in the making long before James gunn took over. The real test will be his Superman movie.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16987375)

The "high" has worn off from yesterday for me. I still like the movie, it was an unexpected enjoyment tbh, but the more I read about why this thing was delayed as it was has kinda tamped down the excitement for me. NINE directors?? Looking back at it, you can certainly see where those ideas intersected. And honestly, if I never see a movie with Ezra Miller in it ever again, that's just fine with me. That guy is a chaotic disaster that deserves absolutely no fame or fortune.

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If you aren't familiar with Miller's troubles, you should look them up. He's a ****ing mental case.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16988607)

Sure, but his fingerprints are still embedded in it. Also, he needs to tell Ezra Miller to **** off and never come back yesterday, not float ideas of him working in the DCEU down the road. I don't know if Gunn feels some sort of sympathy for him due to how he got cancelled a half decade ago, but this dude legitimately doesn't need a platform. He needs to be institutionalized.

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 16988707)

I think his comments are intentionally tepid to prevent any possible lawsuit against DC from Miller since he actually got help for mental illness.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16988725)

Nah. The type of shit he's done should get him blacklisted permanently.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16988725)

Nah. The type of shit he's done should get him blacklisted permanently.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16988959)

****

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16988935)

Watchmen was an awesome flick, too.

Way too much masturbating in this thread over how much money a movie makes.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16989788)

Yes, because the financial successes/failures of tent pole movies, and mega-franchise installments is of little importance.

LMAO

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16990126)

It routinely means little relative to the movie's quality.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16990163)

Everything routinely means little relative to a movie's quality, when you want it to, and context is always important. But, for the most part in this century, when the big studio superhero movies have been good, the money has been rolling in and, when the money hasn't rolled in for a big studio superhero movie, it's been because the movie wasn't good.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16989059)

Wut. I mean, I guess I can't be too surprised given it's WB but they can't seriously be gauging how well a new Keaton movie would do using Flash as a barometer, right? That's just total idiocy.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16989059)

Wut. I mean, I guess I can't be too surprised given it's WB but they can't seriously be gauging how well a new Keaton movie would do using Flash as a barometer, right? That's just total idiocy.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16990164)

Got it. Everything sucks.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16990513)

Even if the movie was good...

Ezra Miller mixed with how awful DC movies have been had this thing behind the 8ball before release, it would have had to have been a real top of the line movie to overcome it.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16990565)

The movie was excellent. You're a loser.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16987412)

Apparently it's bombing spectacularly. Originally projected to have an domestic opening of 140 million+, they dropped it over time until it ended up in the 60 to 80 range, and it only managed 55 million domestically

Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 16993023)

Leaving the house in a few minutes to go see this. If it wasn’t for Keaton’s return as Batman I wouldn’t bother.

And as bad as it appears to be bombing, imagine how much worse the numbers could be if not for Keaton.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16993026)

I loved the movie. Dont let the haters get in your head its trash.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16995803)

Welp, you have to wonder where DC goes from here. The Flash is a flagship character. This would be like Captain America or Thor bombing for Marvel.

Do they power through as planned or will we just be seeing Batman and Superman reboots over the next decade until they figure out a better plan?

Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 16996702)

I really don’t understand why this is bombing so badly. Is it the greatest super hero movie? Of course not. It’s far from the worst however. Hell IM2 & 3 were worse movies than this. Personally I am a bit fatigued on the time travel and multiverse story lines, I prefer those only occasionally because otherwise it gets pretty ridiculous pretty quick, but aside from that this movie is plenty entertaining. And we got a Keaton Batman storyline as well!

I just don’t get the flop.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16996709)

Two words - Ezra Miller

Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 16996726)

Because of his performance, past behavior or a little of both?

As someone who didn’t grow up reading comic books I have no idea is his performance in any way matches to the source material, but what little exposure I’ve had from film the character has always been at least a little odd. So while he was a tad annoying, it sort of fit with what I’ve come to know.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16996681)

I feel like James Gunn was going to springboard his universe off the Flashpoint premise of this movie, but now with this movie nosediving, he might just do a hard reboot and say **** everything that's happened before his projects.

Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 16997025)

They tried to play it down, but it seemed pretty clear to me from Gunn's presentation that it was going to be a de facto hard reboot. I don't think there was ever going to be any connection. Given the way Flash played out I don't know what even could carry over, unless they were going to have Flash cross into the new universe to set up Crisis or something. Even then they'd still would have had to recast Ezra Miller.

I also think this is probably part of the reason Flash bombed so bad, they essentially told everyone it didn't matter. I bet Aquaman 2 bombs too.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16996681)

I feel like James Gunn was going to springboard his universe off the Flashpoint premise of this movie, but now with this movie nosediving, he might just do a hard reboot and say **** everything that's happened before his projects.