We paid JuJu + MVS somewhere around $20M last season with incentives.

Just saying... :shrug:

DO IT VEACH, BACK-TO-BACK LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other NFL Defensive Coordinators...

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This is where I am at as well. You give Andy Reid an offense consisting of Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and DHop in addition to a complete wildcard and lottery ticket in Toney...my goodness...good luck to the rest of the league. Ill take the Chiefs over the field for the SB winner next year.

Reid traded for Terrell Owens at 30 years old...just sayin...DHop is 30.

Nope, need better defense.

Offenses win championships

Historical defenses give up 38 to the Chiefs

Mere rumors of it already made Leslie Frazier quit.

If he were a free agent? Sure. If the Cards would trade him for a 4th or later? Sure.

But this is really just Benji throwing shit at the wall as we've effectively become the new Patriots: Aging star talent looking to revitalize his career, lets just assume he'll go to KC!

But this doesn't fit Veach's M.O at all. Trade a top 3 round draft pick for an aging, expensive player? Since when do the Chiefs do that? They don't.

Chiefs had to scored 38 to the Eagles 35. Defense too often seems to be balanced on a knifes edge of losing the game.

It really doesn't matter how good your defense is in todays game, you aren't winning games 17-13.

With the way Veach has been drafting, I’m all for keeping the capital unless you come across a Toney type of situation (value plus cost controlled years).

Bengals have given up 23-24 points in 3 straight games with the Chiefs. That Bengals defense has been a major part of their success in the Playoffs the last two years.

Cincy offense has scored 22 points per game in the Playoffs and it has been enough to win 5 of 7 Playoff games because the defense has been excellent. 22 points per game on offense would not have any success with a shitty defense.

How expensive would Brandin cooks be?

I always hate the articles about a report about a report (no offense to the OP, just a jab at the guys in the media who post stuff about other people's posts.)

For those interested, here's the exact source / quote @ the 6:19-mark. Sounds like Ben heard some stuff floating around at the Combine the past couple days. Thinks it might be our 2nd rounder, but doesn't want to speculate.

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Albright is hit or miss, but he does spend the first 5 minutes of the podcast getting blown by the other guys for calling the AZ HC hire.



To hear the podcasters chat about their thoughts on it, I've got it tee'd up at the correct timestamp below (29 min mark)


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No

this

I don’t think Andy has ever traded for a player over 30.

Is is nothing more than Albright connecting dots that aren’t there.

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Once upon a time...

checks calendar

...four years ago.

If he were a FA teams could bid up his price.

The advantsge here is the relatively low price on his cap hit, should he be willing to play on it.

Thanks for reminding me of that puppy abortion of a game.

Dickhead.

Also, no ****ing trades for declining PED using WR drama queens.

I Belize I’ll trust Andy and Bert over your opinion!!

Ok, Homeless Hedo Rick.

Defenses only really matter if you are playing Daniel Jones or something

The Bengals held Mahomes to 23-24 points in 3 straight games, including 2 Playoff games. The Bengals held Josh Allen to 10 points in a Playoff game. Bengals also held an explosive Rams offense to 23 points in the Super Bowl last year.

So this is like the 4th thread on this topic but I'm surprised KC fans aren't more excited about the potential. I'd personally, LOVE to bring him in! There isn't a single WR in the draft with Hopkin's potential IMO, and he's the top WR available on the market being added to the #1 offense in the league. No doubt he'd be amazing here.

I'm happy offering a 3rd this year and a conditional 3rd next year.

Get it done Veach!

PS: D Hop, make sure you're clean when you show up.

Guys, we're not going shopping for a #1 WR. Or anyone else anywhere near top of the market at any position.

We are much more likely to re-sign the guys we've had in the building and won a SB with than sign anyone the casual fan has heard of.

We'll be bargain shopping if we go shopping at all.

We're going to grow our own. And we should.

**** no.

Glad you're not GM.

Just stop it already.

You sign a 31 yeard old WR to $20m plus (and he WILL want that, and wants a new deal with a trade) then you say goodbye to Sneed, and probably Bolton in the next couple of years, and you un-do a lot of the groundwork we laid last off-season. And you'd better cut MVS as well, because you've got too much tied up in the WR corps otherwise and you've got to pay Brown and Jones and congratulations! You've re-created a lesser version of the 2021 Chiefs. Maybe they can lose in the divisional round instead of the AFCCG!

This whole idea is dumb and a big step backwards. And it's not going to happen. so the conversation is doubly dumb.

Don’t stop Belize-ing! Liar!

I wanted him 8 years ago. Now...nah. I'd rather draft the next star WR. Unless we could get him for next to nothing on a team friendly deal. Then I'd be fine with it.

He's less than 2 yrs older than Tyreek, and his game doesn't rely on pure speed.

They’re always gonna keep weapons around pat

I don’t think they’ll do this but it wouldn’t shock me

Pretty much where I'm at. I don't think Veach will pay what Cards/DHop wants, but the prime directive is pretty clear: Get Andy as many weapons as possible every season. DHop would be one hell of a weapon. So i won't be surprised if he ends up in KC.

I thought it was discussed at length too and I'm still a NO. :shake:

It has been reported that the Chiefs were in for AJ Brown and we know they tried to get OBJ before he went to the Rams. So that's consecutive seasons where they have tried so the notion that "they don't want a number one" is misleading.

The question is would anyone here NOT take Travis Kelce if he was at the Cards and 30 years old? Would anyone here not take Julio Jones from four years ago when he was 30 and putting up godly numbers? Randy Moss was also 30 years old when he had his incredible year with Brady.

Hopkins is a hall of fame talent and they don't grow on trees. If Pat wants him and he's not silly about a new contract then pull the trigger I say. Hopkins with Kelce and Pat would simply be unfair like KD joining the Warriors imo.

I doubt it happens, but if its a team friendly deal, then why not?

I think sooner than not, the Mahomes Effect is gonna kick in where vets are gonna want to play here for their shot at a ring.

If he stays healthy and hes 80% of what he once was he would slay. I don't think people have processed how good this offense is capable of being, even as good as they've been. That being said it must be the right price and doubt it happens.

Man I have always liked DHop but at 31 it would be risky and I am not a gambler. Glad we have Reid and Count Veachula.

I still think we are preparing for Andys final ride sooner vs later. Let's give him some fun toys to play with

Count Veachula

well said.

Yeah, I'm thinking sooner rather than later at this point. And just how many shots at a true HOF receiver still in his prime are we going to get before Andy hangs them up? JC, giving Andy DHop is literally like KD going to the Warriors. Just hand over the Lombardi already. And blow the doors off of every scoring record in the book. Threepeat. Maybe Four-peat?

I don't see trading for him being a good idea. If he got released and he wanted to sign here for a 2 year $20 mill, then cool. But that's not happening.

I would rather keep JuJu

General WR thought: I’m excited to see what KT can do next year, but I’m only banking on him playing 6-9 games.

Honestly last year was a little frustrating watching Mahomes have to make due with this mediocre receiving group when defenses managed to lock down Kelce for a bit, who has another year of mileage. An upgrade is in order, and a draft pick isn't getting that done next year.

Bengals LOST an AFCC and a Superbowl because they're offense didn't execute...your point?

Moss to the Pats vibes?

Eagles and Andy Reid traded for Terrell Owens at 30 years old. DHop is 30.

KC already had a very impactful receiver in Tyreek and they got rid of him.

After winning a Super Bowl starting hoards of rookies. Do it again!

This thought that we arent shopping for a #1 WR is just dead wrong. Veach will do whatever makes the team better. He wants to surround Mahomes with as much talent as possible.

He would offer something Mahomes doesn’t have with a WR that can play the fade and high point

Not the same type of WR, and Hill wanted $30M. And more fame or whatever. Face time, idk.

And as Pat's career continues, and his cap hit becomes more burdensome, the opportunities will greatly diminish. IF, and that's a big IF, DHop could be had for a reasonable $$ figure and/or concessions, there may not be a better opportunity to pair Mahomes with a HOFer WR AND Travis AND Andy. It might be the only opportunity.

My point is that the window for such a circumstance is definitely closing, and who knows when it might open again?

For the record to those dismissing a Hall of Fame WR option with a manageable contract… I love the world you live in. But winning a SuperBowl with this many rookies is being slept on. We def need more fire power.

D. Hop would provide an amazing security blanket

:hmmm:

Sounds pretty fair. He would be a nice target for Mahomes. Make the trade, resign Ju Ju and we are good.

Mahomes might hit 6,000 yards and 60 TD's. Another MVP and SB MVP.

People keep saying this but I think we know both sides were ready to move on for reasons beyond the field and he brought back massive draft value when we needed the picks to upgrade the D. Just a different scenario than a Dhop trade.

D Hop has two years left in his Prime, Health willing he is still a HOF WR and yes playing with Mahomes would open up other people….

If you don’t double him he’s going to murder you.

Oh and we need a vet WR in that room. Adding a HOF looking for a ring before he starts downside of career….

Sign me the **** up

For this team it's probably worth the gamble, unless of course you don't think placing yourself firmly ahead of everyone in the SB conversation matters.

I want them to focus on the OL and defense more than anything else. You can have the greatest offense in the world and it won’t mean anything if the defense blows it. We saw this in 2018. Strong OL & Strong defense are the 2 things Belichick was able to put on the field seemingly every year in the Patriots dynasty.

If it's a 3 or 4 it's really not going to prevent anything else from happening.

Last year's playoff run should be the nail in the coffin of the 80s talking heads defense wins championship mantra. But it won't be cause they can't help themselves.

If the Cardinals allow a meeting between Hopkins and the Chiefs before a possible trade, Veach should walk in, sit down in front of D-Hop and just start clinking his two Super Bowl rings together. Don't say a word, just clink those rings together for about 30 seconds and stare directly into his eyes. And just when the sheer awkwardness gets to the unbearable point, Veach needs to say "D-Hop, if you want one of these, maybe even two of these to clink together, you accept a trade to us without a new deal. You play for $19.45M in 2023 and $14.915M in 2024 and you walk away as a HOF-er with a Super Bowl ring or two as your legacy. Or you add a few more million dollars to what should already be a bank account so big your grand-kids won't be able to spend it all and watch us keep racking up Lombardi's. It's time to figure out what your priorities are."

If he plays his on his current deal, I'd give up a 2nd and a 4th for him and drive a wooden stake through the heart of the rest of the NFL. He absolutely looked like one of the best WRs in the NFL for a few games when he came back. With Kyler Murray throwing to him. The opportunity to play with Patrick would turn his biological clock back a couple seasons.

If he wants a new deal then wish him good luck and move on.

What about moving up and grabbing a WR in the 12-20 range?

Or are there lots of talented receivers later in the draft?

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That would cost more in draft capital and the guy would unlikely hit the ground running.

I'm not even against giving Hopkins a new deal if it's reasonable. If he's coming in at an 18-22 avg that isn't bad for who Hopkins is.

Hey, I get it. And until Mahomes showed up, I was as old school as it gets about defense. Used to prop up Bill all the time with his philosophy about how to maintain a dynasty.

But what I've come to realize in the last couple three years is that the Chiefs aren't the Patriots. Clark Hunt isn't Kraft. Andy isn't Bill. It's almost like they're polar opposites.

And then we have the rules. Which have now leaned hugely in the direction of offense. You can't even play the kind of defense Bill used to put on the field. They've even made some of Bill's adjustments illegal now.

The way to win SBs is now mostly in the hands of the offense. That's not to say that you don't need a defense, because obviously that's stupid. But you don't need a top-5 defense to keep winning SBs. Top 14-ish will get it done.

You do need a top-5 offense though. The days of building teams that rely on running the ball over passing, that lean on a top-5 defense to win SBs is over. Now, Andy got away with fielding a bunch of rooks and WR2s or WR3s this time. But it was like a magic trick, or pulling off a miracle 70-yard Hail Mary. It can be done, and if anyone's going to do it, I trust Andy and Pat to make t happen, but I don't want the Chiefs to have to rely on that formula. At least not if they don't have to.

Bringing in an elite WR of DHop's caliber for the next couple years would make everything that much easier.

:thumb:

This draft seems to me, from my reading and mocks to be a not great draft in the top of the first. Not much in like, sure-fire, future all-pros. But a LOT of good talent in that late first to late second and into the third rounds at several interesting positions for KC, like DE, WR, TE, and even OT.

I think moving UP to get a WR is unlikely given what it costs to do so, but I fully expect we'll grab a guy in the first two days.

It’s not impossible to play defense in the modern game. Belichick shutdown a pretty good Rams offense for only 3 points in the Super Bowl a few years ago. The Bengals defense has never given up more than 23-24 points in 7 playoff games the last 2 seasons. Cincy held Josh Allen to 10 points and they’ve consistently held the KC offense below 25 points. KC defense gave up 36 to Buffalo last year and 35 to Philly this year. I don’t believe it’s a sustainable approach to winning.

We had the number one offense in football. If you want to spend money on the offense, spend it on protecting Mahomes. Otherwise, spend it on pass rushers and keeping the good young talent we have that won us a Super Bowl and have us poised to seriously threaten to repeat.

Draft and develop our own.

For a 3rd and a pick and him on his current contract or a reworked beneficial one I’d absolutely do it in a heart beat. It would instantly mean Mahomes running for less 3rd downs, ease the strain of kelce pitch count and keep Mahomes from having to make chicken salad out of chicken shit so often. Yes I know he can, but Rodgers could once upon a time an I bet the packers wish they gave him some help at this point.

This current run of the team isn't gonna last forever...let's gets real here, Kelce has limited time left.

This is a chance to strike to possibly grab 2 more SBs.

You have a GM that just landed serious plus contributions from 7 rookies. We have TWELVE picks in this draft.

The answer is not to go spend #20m on an over 30 WR.

The difference Hopkins makes is not worth that chunk of change.

With D Hop- the Chiefs could 3 peat. Be the best team in NFL history. Yep, that is worth a 3rd rounder. ;)

The team LAR put on the field in that first SB vs. NE wasn't even the same team we faced earlier that season. Their running game completely tanked when Gurley's knee or whatever went arthritic, and their whole offense was predicated on that run game. Once it became the Goff show, bill just overwhelmed him.

Sidenote: And that was the worst SB in my memory. Could not have been a more boring shitshow from just a football perspective. I would gladly sacrifice my left nut to not ever watch a Chiefs' team score just 13 points in a SB.

CIN's defense didn't win them a SB last year.

Our defense last year vs. BUF was too old and too slow. That's been addressed. And will continue to be addressed. The unit we put on the field next season will be a top-10 squad, barring injuries, and they'll start the year fast.

And what does Andy always say? "Keep firing. Just keep firing, boys!"

Let's give him some ammo for those guns, I say.

No to DHop! He is not the answer. Nothing to see, move along. We have other needs for this team to address before considering a FA at this point in time.

To quote the arrogant Joe Burrow, “The window is Patrick Mahomes’ entire career.” Veach needs to build a balanced roster and don’t throw away the future in hopes of short-term gain, especially with expensive veterans who might not even stay healthy.

From a fan perspective we haven't talked about the fact that Mahomes is at the peak of his aging curve. This is prime Mahomes right now. Throw in Kelce nearing the end of being elite and Andy's uncertain duration.

Let's not waste this very unique two year window without Pat having a first tier weapon on the outside, whether it's Dhop or someone else.

Who's wasting what?

We just won the ****ing Super Bowl for ****ssake.

Veach laid the foundation for the next group of stars, and we've got 12 picks to move around in this draft.

Buying someone else's over the hill, expensive players is not the way.

D Hop is not over the hill...yet. He would fit perfectly into this offense. He and Kelce would gut the middle on teams. He would also help our pitiful 3rd and 1 conversion rate.

Snap, Mahomes instantly throws to D Hop, he falls forward for the 1st down.