It wouldn't be wise for 90% of the teams in the league. But the other teams are not the Chiefs. The other teams don't have the best QB in the league in his prime and the best TE ever at the very tail end of his career.

You pay him 10 times out of 10.

If you are the ****ing Bears, of course you trade him and get what you can.

And yet we don't think interior pass rush is important when it comes to the one we have?

Kelce isn't asking for a 30 mill per year aav.

How much longer are you gonna have that, you can realistically argue Chris Jones just had the best year of his career and he'll never do that again so are you willing to pay top dollar for what he use to be?

I mean...he's 29. It's not like he's 33 or 34.

If there is a QB in the league that can mitigate a bad centers play or an avg centers play compared to a great one it is Patrick Mahomes.

He is quick to read defenses. He's smart. He's fast twitch and quick as ****. If a pass rush does come up the middle he has multiple arm angles and has such a strong arm he can get it to anyone across the field.

Look I won't be mad if they sign Creed. I'm only bringing that up because I WANT to sign Chris Jones. And if their ability to sign Creed (or even Bolton) in the future is one of the reasons they won't pay Chris Jones. It is a huge mistake.

The time is now.

You also have a bunch of talent locked in on rookie deals on the DL around the guy. I dunno.....it doesn't really matter to me, but trading away these types of players generally doesn't work out for the teams that do it, right?

Chris Jones will probably suck in the last year of his contract.

I DO NOT CARE

You pay him because he's needed NOW. When Chris Jones is 33 or 34 Kelce will be out of the league or not a factor.

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Quickly go do a run down of interior DL and when they fall off cliffs. He'll either lose effectiveness from age or he'll still be a dominant player but a dominant player that misses games from injury.

If it's a 5 year deal he'll probably suck in more than 1 of those years.

Why would it be a 5 year deal?

They'll tack 3 on the current year, maybe 4 with a void I suppose.

The reason the Chiefs rebuilt the IOL is because it is critical for any QB. Pressure up the middle is about the only way any team could hope to slow down Mahomes on a regular basis.

Creed should stay, even if Jones is lost as a direct result...and I doubt keeping both is impossible.

Well, sure. Guys miss games with injuries. It happens.

Hell, maybe he falls off a cliff this year. If that's the case, the damage is already done.

Bringing Jones back means that Snead is probably the odd man out. The way they’ve drafted DBs looks like they already expect it to happen.

Why didn't we keep Morse and Hudson then? Are the Chiefs stupid? They didn't know Creed Humphrey was walking through the door. They recognized based on how they play that paying a really good center is just a luxury.

They've spent alot of high round picks on C's, paid a LG a shit ton of money.

They obviously value the interior OL.

I would imagine they pay Creed. Seems a no brainer. He's an elite player, pay those and move on.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sneed was out anyway since he seems to have a chronic knee issue.

Maybe I'm off here....but that's the smart way to go?

They've clearly been able to mine DB's in the draft and such. Why would that stop?

Morse had a pretty serious injury history...

Creed is far better than Hudson or Morse ever were, and he's still improving

The way the Chiefs play, the IOL is at least as important as the OTs, maybe even more important.

If they give him a contract now I'd say 3 years is a decent bet. That would be through 29, 30 and 31. After that is tricky but if the contract is built correctly with a way out it won't matter.

He may be satire but...

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Not Chiefs related but I found it interesting.

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I get the point you're trying to make here, but he's under contract this season. This COMING year is his contract year - not the last one. (And it was the same situation last time.)

I loved me some Rodney Hudson, but the dude broke the back when he went to the Raiders. No way we were going to be able to pay him 5 years 45M at the time.

Things are different when you have Mahomes at QB. Nobody is going to risk it now.

Quick notes:


*Skyy Moore dropped a nice pass (Mahomes) deep ball at the beginning of the practice. Def an OOOOF moment and he knew it.

*CEH running with the first team a lot from what I saw.

*Pacheco with a QB (yellow) jersey on and I didn't know why. Why? TELL ME WHY? I Feel like a noob.

*During first team 7 on 7, WR's were blanketed and Mahomes had to throw away and/or check down many passes. This is good news for our DB's... but they are familiar with our offense so it's a little expected.

*Blaine Gabbert had a beauty of a deep ball for a completion down the seem.

*Our DB's had multiple INT's today and WR's were barely running open. The completed passes were in super tight windows, and the DB's were ball hawks.

*Butker was nailing every kick right down the middle.

*A few times Ross had the opportunity to make a big play and it didn't get done, for whatever reason.

*Justin Watson caught a deep ball for a nice TD.

As far as DTs falling off, his body type is very rare for the position. It’s something I took notice of after we drafted him and Teresa Paylor likened his body type to Reggie White.

He hasn’t dealt with a ton of injuries that have a cumulative effect, either.

I think we can expect his prime to be 2020-2025, so a 3-4 year deal shouldn’t hurt.

That said, the history of Ried or Veach extending players after 30 isn’t exactly a long list…

I'll do a quick breakdown of DTs and when they decline...I'll try to do the best of a long period I'll start with 2000-2010

Kevin Williams,

drafted in 2003 and played that season at age 23...2010 would have been his age 30 season. He netted years of 10.5, 11.5 and 8.5 sacks before age 30. His age 29 season he had 6 sacks and his age 30 season he had 1. After the age 30 season the most he netted in a season was 5. He has 63 career sacks 14.5 of them come at age 30 and after. He dramatically dropped off after his age 28 season and this was an elite player.

La'Roi Glover
Drafted in 1996 he began his career at age 22. His age 30 season would have been in 2004. That season he compiled 7 sacks. He had 5 during his age 29 season. His best year came in 2000 as he threw up 17 sacks that year. Glover compiled 83.5 career sacks, 22 came at age 30 or after.

Warren Sapp
Drafted in 95 and would have been 24 during his first season. 2001 would have been his age 30 season, that season he had 6 sacks. His age 29 season though he had 16.5 sacks. Sapp compiled 96.5 career sacks 38 came at 30 or after.

I can do many more if you want but as you can see there is a steep production decline even for a HOFer like Sapp.

If they can get Jones age 29 season and then move after that, that would be the smartest thing to do based on history.

Give me a DT that didn't fall off as they aged, there aren't many great examples.

What position doesn't fall off as they age?

Isn't Sapp's falloff about the same time the Bucs went in the shitter?

It's certainly a possibility. We'd be severely cap strapped this season though.

Sapp actually boosted his numbers because he had a 10 sack year with the Raiders of all the guys I went over he had the best end of career.

Pacheco had surgery after the Super Bowl. Had wrist/hand issue and a shoulder. Not sure if he had surgery on both or not, but wrist/hand area for sure.

WR's report is interesting. Not really matching up with video's we are seeing and other reports. We had Watson dropping the early long pass from Mahomes.

And who were the starting WR's in 7 on 7's not getting open?

We also have video of Ross making plays.

Justin Watson dropping a deep ball sounds like Justin Watson.

Wr's making plays in 1 on 1 and jump balls, haven't really seen alot of separation as much.

But it's fine. Good news for the defense IMO.

This is true. The reason Pacheco is in yellow is because he’s non-contact. Thanks for sharing Monolith.

John Randle but he was so special. Usually these guys start falling off around 31

Sooooo....do we have a QB controversy brewing?????

:bolt:

The video which was probably the second unit since 9 was the QB on the pass to Ross had Rice and James open. Rice behind the defense, and James on the crossing route. :shrug:

DE, OT, TE are good examples

Eh, they age it's just a bit more gracefully I guess. They can still play those spots, specifically, OT and TE and still be fine but they still go down hill.

DE is a weird one...haven't really thought about it but they do seem to somewhat hold up a bit longer. Wonder what the reason is with that? They're supremely athletic specimens usually maybe that helps?

Randle actually had 4 double digit sack seasons at 30 or after putting up 15.5 in his age 30 season.

137.5 total sacks...67.5 coming after 30.

He's actually a pretty big outlier in general 6'1 290...had double digit sacks in 8 straight years and 9 total.

So the 1 video clip of a single play you saw vs a guy going to camp watching the practice?

Depends on the style of DE, the big physical types like JJ Watt don't last as long as the speed guys.

It's a mix of how long can your athletic traits last while limiting how much abuse you take.

That was normal for a DT in the 90s and 2000s, no?

The size or the production? Neither were exactly normal to be honest.

No, DT's then were more you're run stuffing types.

The 90s NFL was way more about running the ball, Randle got those numbers with teams throwing less. He was very undersized for his position also.

There were more. But I was wondering who was with the one's today since 4, 8, and 17 were with a backup QB in that 7 on 7 clip. And throughout camp, I have seen seperation multiple times with Mahomes as the QB. Not all jump balls and no seperation.

You’re such a Ross hater, first off Watson dropped a long what would’ve been TD pass earlier today. Also, Ross has been catching everything that is coming his way. He has consistently cooked DBs, his route running is superb. We have video evidence as well…

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It was Moore guys, FFS.

I am officially excited about our WRs.

CP has me convinced that they are the best WRs since the greatest show on turf

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I was talking about the size.

I suppose I didn’t pay much attention back in those days.

If Jones was willing to sign a 3 year deal, or a longer deal but it had voidable years, to a reasonably team friendly incentive laden contract...

He would be signed by now...

Very astute, I'd wager if he were willing to play for the vet minimum he'd be signed by now too. So we've eliminated 2 possibilities of what the holdup is. Let's keep working on it.

Can we just double tag Jones lol. Looks like he would just be a free agent in 2024 if we dont trade.

I really just care if hes here for 3 more years.

So apparently two dropped long passes? One by Moore and one by Watson.

He's so big. Once he gets even a little separation he can use his body to wall off the defender. He's an impressive guy.

33.5 mil on the tag next year.

So no, doubt that happens.

A tag would likely mean a trade because there is no way a 30 year old would play on that deal and it would be a huge number on the Chiefs cap.

Extension or play out the year tag and trade.

That would be about the only 2 options with much chance of happening at this point

Maybe the ‘good things’ mean his mini vacation that he’s having right now. I feel like Jones likes to troll reactionary fans. I bet some movement happens soon.

Say they decide they aren't doin a new deal and he's playin out the string with the current deal....when does he show up?

Before the last preseason game.

It's probably a good bet, but at some point $50k/day is a big chunk even for someone at Chris's salary. It'd feel pretty shitty to blow a million dollars on sitting out and not even get a new contract out of it.

The WRs not getting open is extremely alarming.

At some point....just break off the contract talks right?

"We're gonna hold off and see how the year goes then we can talk, come on to camp".

:banghead:

I feel like I've watched like 50 videos on twitter of WR getting open.

WTF is he watching?

If a pass attempt is caught and completed - our d-backs are crappy.
If a pass attempt is broken up, dropped, or incomplete - our receivers are crappy
If a runner breaks through the line - our d-line and backers are crappy.
If a runner gets stuffed at the line - our runner and o-line is crappy.

Sometimes, perfection just isn't good enough.

6 straight years of our WRs getting wide open is reason enough for me not to be worried after a few days of camp. I read that our offense the other day looked terrible. Not even remotely concerned.

Is it good D or Bad O. It’s training camp vs our own team it’s pretty hard to tell. If our WR were wide open you would be complaining about the DBs sucking I assume.

I saw a facebook post of a pass from Mahomes to James. Moore was wide open coming across the middle right in front of Mahomes. Mahomes was rolling to his right and threw back across the field to James. If Mahomes would have went to Moore, it would probably been a shorter gain as defenders were in position a couple of yards behind the line where Moore was.

Flashing back a few days, Mahomes said at a press conference that he communicates with the defensive back all of the time, and that he wants to challange the DB's as much as possible. So it could be that Mahomes is forcing the ball into more covered receivers to help the DB's learn instead of always just throwing to the wide open receiver. Mahomes is a team player all the way.

I've never said a bad thing about Ross unless you can show me otherwise?
I'm rooting for him and hoping he is a breakout player.

I just simply saw 2 attempts today where he didn't come down with the ball, like I said "for whatever reason". I didn't have the best view, (could have been a bad pass) and I wasn't really nerding out with binoculars like some of you other geeks. I was just there casually watching while talking to family and friends.

The Watson play I must have missed, just like many other plays that Ross must have made. Big deal, don't get so worked up about my quick notes. lol

Do you wanna run the team like Veach, or the previous regimes? You’re not comparing apples to apples numb nuts!

50 plays out of how many so far at camp?

Numbers a relative.

I will say that today, while many passes were completed... our DB's were doing a damn fine job of contesting balls. Was more of a compliment to the DB's than a diss to our WR's. I'm an optimist about our offense, because Mahomes effect.