Yes. Though he knew of the plan as Toranaga's line to Mariko suggests.
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But letting Hiromatsu do what he did, all to deepen a deception? Ancient Japan was a jacked up place to live |
He said that Hiromatsu knew his role well.
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I'm surprised it isn't drawing more discussion here, this show is a nationwide blockbuster and its very well deserved |
The best scene was Mariko making Ishido look like a bitch in front of court.
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Its top shelf tv, such a shame we can't get more of it without having to juggle 5 different streaming accounts... Shogun is the new Yellowstone, can't wait for tuesday and then season two
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Hate to break it to you but there won't be a season 2 unless they want to adapt Gai-Jin using a lot of the same actors.
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why would they use the same actors? Gai-jin is set 262 years later than Shogun
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WTH this was rushed horribly so disappointing. The woman writer obviously took the source material and pitched in in the burn barrel. She created a woke 1600s Japan LMAO. Why they even bothered I don't know I guess they didn't count on the popularity of a masterpiece of a book. |
I kind of like the way they ended it but it's missing a lot of the story. I mean they do introduce a lot of stuff in the last 5 minutes. I guess they didn't have time to introduce ochiba's true treachery.
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Offered to chop my lady’s head off, didn’t get laid
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Recorded tonight, watching tomorrow night... can't wait
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The ending of this new series is pretty much the same as the old mini-series |
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Holy shit, I hated that finale. God damn, the slowest most drawn out finale I've ever seen.
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God damn you ****ing reeruns that cry woke about everything have become unhinged. You must be really miserable people. |
Definitely could have used a few more episodes to wrap things up.
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Loved this series and I thought the finale was very effective and fitting to its style throughout.
And while I know it was based on the book (which was also based on real history) and completed its story, I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to the creators trying to write something new with those same characters in some kind of second season. |
William Adams, the person Blackthrone is based on, did participate in the battles of Aizu and Sekigahara but after that much of his time was spent building ships and training sailors as well as establishing trade under the Tokugawa shogunate. He was the shogun's personal translator, both Iyeasu and his successor. He did marry a Japanese woman but she was not of samurai class. He did leave Japan on trade expeditions but never returned to Europe.
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Such an unexpected ending, but it lived up to the hype anyway
A slow burn finale that actually pays off emotionally, Anjins cannons were not a a factor as I had anticipated... but no big bang boom warzone Walking Dead finale extravaganza was needed at all That ending was perfection, everyone knows what comes next and Blackthorne clearly lived through it... it stands alone as a 10 part masterpiece |
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I wanted a big spectacle with Anijins cannons blasting away for the win, but the way they played it was sooo much better than the typical boom pow finale |
A battle wouldn’t have fit this show, nor was it needed because his machinations won him the battle before it was even fought. They also certainly didn’t have the money to do something like that anyway.
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if you want to see samurai armies square off with gunpowder there are plenty of options. my favorites are Ran, Kagemusha, and Ten To Chi To (Heaven and Earth) here is a short film of the Battle at Sekigahara. the title cards will tell you who is fighting who, when and where. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/FJIwu616guM?si=SGghWSf0LxYhmAHV" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
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Man, that was really good.
I've stayed out because I'm behind, but holy crap. I could watch more of that. Really good stuff. Execute a good story and I'm in. |
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I do have a question.
Old Man Anjin had Marikos cross. How did he get it after he threw it in the water. I presume it’s a different one? |
I think that was Blackthorne imagining what it would be like if he left Japan to go back to England. He doesn't fully commit to staying in Japan until he tries to commit Seppaku and Toranaga stops him.
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At least they brought the 'Unless I win' back around. It is more subtle in the show but in the book it is made quite clear that is when Toranaga realizes that Blackthorne understands him better than many of his vassals.
In real life Adams and Tokugawa had a meeting that lasted a whole day past midnight as Tokugawa was very curious about Adams' knowledge of sailing and shipbuilding. |
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That was a vision of a possible future. As Toranaga (And Rogriguez) said, Blackthorne's destiny is to never leave Japan |
This show was really well done. It reminded me of Game of Thrones with all of the political subterfuge.
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It’s hard to believe an entire culture could have such an obsession with death. I’m still upset about Fuji’s son. **** anyone who would sanction the murder of an infant because his father spoke out of turn. |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FX is looking to make Season 2 of ‘SHOGUN’<br><br>Hiroyuki Sanada is closing a deal to return.<br><br>(Source: Deadline) <a href="https://t.co/f3YI7FyJV5">pic.twitter.com/f3YI7FyJV5</a></p>— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) <a href="https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1788960254622941643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Great news. There's still plenty of history they can follow with those characters. |
Stoked for another season of this
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We just started this and the boiling thing is the most ****ed up thing I've seen on TV.
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Oh man, that ending leaving like that. After the quality of that let them cook I guess, but they
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Loved the show so much I am now reading the book. Big heavy book, and is fantastic so far.
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I would have been happy if the series ended after one season. Personally, I liked the ending.
On board for Seasons 2 and 3 as Shogun was one of the few times I eagerly looked forward to watching a show every week. |
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