Man, that pick at 2:00 is terrible. I just don't know wtf Mahomes saw there.

Veach previously said that the Chiefs free agency will be the draft this upcoming offseason… not sure if that changes given how desperately they need a LT.

All the underneath routes were zone coverage. Kelce and Juju are assassins at pick plays and zone busting but that takes timing and you can't have timing when the left tackle is a severe historic liability. I see nothing wrong with the scheme.

it feels like their mission with this draft was to fix all of this mess. Man I am so happy.

We didn’t have a RB on this team last year that had juice like Elijah Mitchell or Brashard Smith. Our depth WR was 50 year old Hopkins or knee replacement merchant Juju. Thank God.

If Simmons is the guy we’re sold this offense is scoring a lot of points again.

We will never know, but that 3rd play of the game for the offense could have been a game changer. If Kelce hangs on, maybe we were coming back with a run after 2 quick 1st downs, and things may have broken open for the offense?

I've felt that way on game day. I still feel that way today.

There were 4-5 players that would have given us a little momentum and could have changed things. But it seemed every single time we had a chance, the receivers couldn’t make the catch. It was the same way in the Bucs SB too. The inability to gain any kind of momentum killed us until the other team could put the game out of reach.

The offense went from #1 in the NFL to mediocre since Nagy arrived.

That's not a coincidence. Watch the Bears "highlights" under Nagy and what they have Mahomes doing over here.

Same crap.

Simmons
Royals
Moore
Rice
Hollywood
Smith
Pacheco
Hollywood

Crazy that we are basically adding all this talent to last years offense. And I’m probably missing a couple guys.

Hollywood so good he cannot make it past the first play of a preseason game you named him twice?

Moore? More what?

He is talking about Jaylon Moore. He used the word "talent" and that clearly rules out Skyy because he does not possess any.

Amen. Imo, he is definately part of the problem.

Mahomes has regressed the last few years. Now, whether that’s because of the shaky Oline or something within himself, it definitely has happened.

Hopefully the upgrades will help him out.

He has regressed the past few years, but the amazing thing is despite the regression he still has taken his team to two Super Bowls. Think about it - in a bad year, Mahomes still gets his team to the SB...

Mahomes struggled massively vs cover 2 with prime Tyreek and Kelce and EB in 2021. He was “broken” per the media.

Nagy’s first year back as Mahomes QB coach in 2022 without Tyreek, Mahomes won MVP, SB MVP and had his best season as a pro.

Cool. Then send his ass back to that job. Because this offense ****ing sucks with him as OC.

Nuff' said!
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Now...do we let Andy do it or who else?

Bring back EB?

Great! That"s what he needs to be rather than OC.

The league has changed along with the offense. Teams forced the Chiefs to adapt and now the Chiefs don't have the players to stretch the field. Add the problems with the OL and the team has turned from a big chunk offense to a beat you with paper cuts. Kelce is old and misses like Clyde and Skyy have had a negative impact.

Can’t think of a better picture to explain this thread. Worthy is so wide open it’s like they forgot he existed but Mahomes OL ruins any chance of the play happening. This was gonna be a walk in TD for Worthy if Mahomes can actually throw it to him.

The playcalls were Andy’s and they were mostly fine. It’s a talent problem, which is why they just drafted Josh Simmons.

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Yes. We had a talent problem. Which was exacerbated by the complete inability to adjust the scheme, which has been a fatal flaw of Nagy throughout all his tenures.

I mean, for ****s sake, your left side of the line is Joe Thuney and Mike Caliendo. No ****ing shit it's going to be near impossible to throw a deep shot.

Except (In RunKCs pic) one is coming thru Smith, and another around Taylor, not to mention the one that (while somehow holding up Caliendo from falling on his face again) is about to slam Mahomes into the ground.

Smith and Taylor are at least providing token resistance. Caliendos man already has Mahomes Jersey in his hand as he's winding up to throw. Not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Nagy isn't making any of the game time adjustments to this offense.

I find it funny how everyone was so excited about Nagy, because he had given Mahomes insider info before his interview. They thought Nagy was going to bring out the best in Mahomes and now there is a pretty big group that hates him lol

I guess, that if Mahomes wanted to step up in the (pocket), he has no where to go, and it's hard to tell by that pick but it looks as if Smith has his arm around the defenders neck. I totally agree Caliendo shouldn't have been in there. IMO

LMAO I so do love the notion that Andy Reid is doing everything all the time and the rest of the staff were hired to stand there.

****ing stupid. Of course Matt Nagy has involvement with this offense. He's been seen holding the call sheet for ****s sake.

Twasn't me. ****ing hated the idea, especially after the article about how shitty in particular he ended up being in Chicago was penned.

The reason we havent been as good offensively is because Kelce is no longer unstoppable. Without the best TE of all time this is who Mahomes is.

2025 will be the most important year for Mahomes thus far. He has to have a statement season to quiet the critics. If he continues to play poorly, you can't blame the offensive line this time around.

Take a guess who determined all of the playcalls on that playsheet Nagy is holding? Bc it ain’t Nagy.

Friendly reminder

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Always remember who has 51% of the vote on what the Chiefs offense does, and it&#39;s not Eric Bieniemy or Patrick Mahomes.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1574105013097582596?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yes, Nagy was the QB coach not the play caller or offensive coordinator and Mahomes led the #1 offense in the NFL with JuJu and MVS as his main WR's and Kelce with Reid/Bienemy combo.


The next year Nagy was promoted and the offense has been AIDS since.

That was 3 years ago.



Good old days.


;)

Hmm wonder if losing your WR1 (Juju), a competent LT (Orlando), your HOF TE suddenly declining (Kelce), your 2nd best receiving threat from that MVP season becoming old and broken (McKinnon) and replacing those guys with Wanya Morris, Skyy Moore/Kadarius Toney and MEH payed a part?

It’s almost as if the talent took a complete nosedive to hell :hmmm:

Nagy is not the play caller.

Kelce and offense wasn’t that good without mahomes with alex smith. Alex smith put up similar numbers elsewhere too

Mahomes had historic college numbers with no kelce

Eh, Alex was statistically the best QB in the league in 2017.


How this offense rolls this season will have a ton to do with the LT play, imo. Big question mark there. If we get solid performance from our LT, the offense will be decent, maybe even great (assuming that rice comes back 100% from his injury). The other big issue will be play-calling. Looking back over the playoffs/SB, there were a lot of questionable calls and some of the plays were poorly designed, or we had several players running bad routes. Which would go back to coaching again.

And with a shitty LT situation, which is the biggest issue. There's not a QB in the world that would do very well with craptastic Left Tackle play and questionable weapons.

I think you still have major question marks with the Offensive Line in April 2025. You got rid of your best guy (Joe Thuney), and you now have a pretty big question mark at Left Guard. Caliendo is not the answer. Will Kingsley be able to handle it? We don't know. Time will tell. Your big money free agent signing at Left Tackle has mostly been a backup throughout his career, and he's coming from the Shanahan scheme. Who knows how Jaylon Moore will perform in Andy Reid's scheme. Hope for the best, but you never know until the games are played.

And then you have Josh Simmons, who is a massive question mark for performance due to the patellar tendon injury. It's pretty rare for guys to come back at high performance after this injury. Sure hope Simmons can overcome the odds people have mentioned on this forum. It would be really cool if Simmons can be another Correll Buckhalter, who had major success coming back from the same injury while playing for Andy Reid in Philadelphia.

Not that I want to be in the situation of having to cast blame anywhere at the end of the season, but let's be honest here: we don't know how our LT is going to work out and we don't even know who our LG will be. I mean, color me crazy, but if neither our LT or our LG play respectably, I'm going to guess that will have a huge impact on how Mahomes plays this year, no?

Well, fellas, he was never going to have the same OL all the way thru.

And at some point, we're gonna get to a point of "when is any of this on him"?

I've been overly critical of him this past year in hindsight, but all these other QB's have had OL's shuffle. They've had weapons in and out. Different guys etc.

At some point, if he is what we all think, he's gotta get back to playing at that MVP level.

It is interesting that people think losing Joe Thuney will be no big deal. Really hope Kingsley can get the job done. If Caliendo is the starter, that seems like a pretty big red flag for the LG spot. I think there are obviously major questions for Josh Simmons trying to come back from the patellar tendon injury. And Jaylon Moore is still kind of unproven compared to a long-time starter.

Just gotta hope all 3 of these situations can turn out well for the Chiefs. Hope like hell the LG spot isn't a major problem. Hope like hell Jaylon Moore can live up to his big money contract. Hope like hell Josh Simmons can have a much more positive recovery than 80% of the people with a blown patellar tendon.

Ummm...I think you have to give him credit for at least 2 great drafts: 2022 AND 2021.


2021 had Nick Bolton and Creed Humphrey in the 2nd round. Noah Gray in the 5th and Trey Smith in the 6th.

Getting an above average MLB who is a playmaker due to his, plus two top 5 players at their positions in Humphrey and Trey Smith should be recognized. I also think Noah Gray could be an average starter at TE. He's not Travis Kelce or Tony G, but he's good enough to start for most teams.

I'm not worried about LG at all, we have plenty of reasonable options there besides Caliendo

And I'm not super concerned about LT for the same reason, we have three options there - make it four if Humphries is still in the mix - surely to God one of them can confidently secure the job

Mahomes led you to 3 straight Super Bowl appearances (and 2 Super Bowl wins) with JAG's at both Left Tackle and Right Tackle. Lot of questionable weapons on those 3 rosters as well. Where's the run game? Pretty weak compared to a lot of other teams. A lot of that run game stuff falls 100% on Andy Reid and Andy Heck.

Josh Allen has had Dion Dawkins protecting his blind side for 7+ years. Dawkins has been healthy that whole time (remarkable luck for Buffalo). Zero conference titles and zero Super Bowl appearances for Buffalo in this time period, which is hilarious. The Lions have a loaded roster in terms of both weapons and OL (LT/RT are both studs), strong run game, etc...and yet zero Super Bowl appearances, got knocked out very early in the Playoffs this past season...hilarious.

Ronnie Stanley has had some injury stuff in his career, but he has been pretty healthy the last couple years and sure enough Lamar Jackson's 3 best seasons (2019, 2023, 2024) have all featured Stanley protecting Lamar's blind side for 80-90% of the games. Baltimore still has zero Super Bowl appearances with Lamar despite the talent on their team (both sides of the ball), which is hilarious.

The Eagles have a completely loaded roster with void years out the wazoo, and it paid off for them this past season. Top dollar RB, two big money receivers, big money tight end, lot of big money OL guys, plenty of big money defensive guys...some nice draft picks to help put them over the top as well. Would be nice if they run into some problems in 2025.

i hope so. But we had several options at LT last season, and that worked so well we ended up throwing our LG out there to finish the season, so . . .

Based on all the data people have posted here, it seems unlikely that Josh Simmons can be ready to go at a solid level in 2025. Redshirt year is probably an appropriate situation for him.

So we hope Jaylon Moore can do it. I still wonder about Jawaan Taylor. Always thought the goal was to move him to Left Tackle, but they never did it...even last year when the situation became desperate.

In 2019, Tom Brady had an old, washed Edelman, washed Demarcus Thomas (RIP), Phillip Dorsett and Josh Gordon at WR, Matt LaCrosse at TE bc Gronk retired and a train wreck known as Isaiah Wynn at LT.

He was miserable, it ruined their season and he had the fewest TD passes since 2006.

1 year later when he told Bill to **** off, he went to TB and “magically” threw 40 TD’s with a stacked offense that had Jameis Winston throw 33 the year prior.

It’s almost like talent matters and it’s a team game.

A redshirt year wouldn't bother me a damn bit, treat him as a long term investment... especially if Moore looks decent

Seems like they gave up on Taylor to LT a long time ago, or he would've been plan B for the SB not Thuney

Wouldn't make a ton of sense to pay Moore $15 million to ride the bench, haha. Feels a little bit like the Kirk Cousins, Michael Penix situation with the Falcons. Thankfully not anywhere near the amount of money involved with Jaylon Moore compared to Kirk Cousins.

Even if caliendo plays lg and Moore or Simmons plays left tackle we are better off than last year just due to how important left tackle is over left guard

Also much more likely to find a plug and play lg than a left tackle which what we were doing last year.

Playing through the playoffs with a lg at left tackle is wildly insane

And?

Of course Mahomes is better than Alex Smith. By alot.

He is not THEE best of all time though...unless he has elite Kelce by his side. Kelce is better at his position than Mahomes is at his. Although they are both elite.

Travis Kelce gas a menial job compared to qb. He wouldn’t have ever even played in a sb if not for mahomes. It’s like saying the lady that is my receptionist is better type writer than Mahomes is qb. Who cares

Our offensive line was better than most teams with great QBs. Yes LT was rough at times but there was a stretch with Thuney were it was very solid...until it wasn't. Mahomes, more times than not, saw ghosts.

I actually think you have it the other way around. Mahomes is still more important than Kelce yes. But Kelce is a tad better at his position than Mahomes is.

I don't think it is outlandish, at all, to say Mahomes would not have been to a SB or at least not won a SB had it been for Kelce.

Considering the well noted history of players coming back from a PT injury, I'd be totally cool with Simmons sitting this year

It gives him that extra time to iron out any potential kinks and learn our game... treat him like a prized rookie QB that you don't wanna throw straight into the fire

And yeah, get some return on the investment with Moore in the meantime

I think Patrick has tunnel vision for Kelce and ignores other guys too often. The best games of Patrick's career (both college and professional) have been when he spreads the ball around to a bunch of different guys. The QB trying to force the ball to an aging, slow tight end is a very bad strategy. From that standpoint, I am looking forward to Kelce's retirement.

Not having Kelce on the field will force Patrick to simply throw to the open guy, no matter what the name is on the jersey. What other choice do you have? He had a game back in 2021 (Steelers) where Kelce didn't play at all and Tyreek barely played. Mahomes torched them by just spreading the ball around to a lot of different JAG guys:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/...401326565#home

What happened in 2018?

Are you Nagy's son?


What is your obsession with defending him?



How many years of Mahomes prime do you propose we waste with Matt Nagy doing his thing?

They had a competent LT in Trent Brown, a first ballot HOF TE (Gronk), their 2nd leading WR wasn’t cut (Gordon) and their WR3 was still there (Hogan) and didn’t lost James Develin and David Andrews to injury.

In 2019 only 1 Patriots WR in 2019 (Edelman) had at least 30 receptions.

Major OL issues as well as a lack of explosive playmakers at the skill position. That….sounds familiar.

We’ve been to 5 Super Bowls in 6 years wining 3. Best 3 year run in NFL history. Even with the offensive issues, saying we are “wasting Mahomes prime” is absolute lunacy.

The elite QB whose prime is being wasted resides in Buffalo

Yes, credit Nagy for years when he wasn't the OC is one way to improve morale.

Under Nagy as OC we "went to a SB" because we had an elite defense and Patrick Mahomes made it work.

Still, not scoring a TD in 15-16 STRAIGHT drives in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl shows how much a drag Nagy is on the team.

This year in the playoffs offense was awful in 2 out of 3 games and was good against Buffalo. But even's Nagy's spread them out they can't cover it all works against McDermott's stale zone D.


I would prefer to make it easier on our QB, not harder.

Then run the ****ing football and don't ask him to throw 40 times a game.

I think Simmons plays mid season. I’d probably be ok with him even playing rt but another topic altogether

So would the Chiefs, which is they drafted Josh Simmons to fix the biggest problem on offense: the QB getting beaten to the ground all game when it matters.

I dont think anyone is crediting Nagy, dude.

Run KC loves Nagy Ball.


Watching a Super Bowl where Eagles DB's were waiting for our WR's because the playcalling was so stale and predictable.

Zero real adjustments till the game was out of hand.

Kid is a bandwagon fan who doesn’t understand that Andy Reid runs this team not Nagy or anybody else. It’s hilarious hearing how Nagy apparently threw Andy in a closet and took over playcalling LMAO

Kid isn’t a Chiefs fan. As soon as Mahomes retires he’s gone.

Most people know what has ruined the offense. Thankfully the Chiefs addressed it in the draft.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs offense is panifully slow.<br><br>Travis Kelce, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Kareem Hunt and DeAndre Hopkins turned this offense into dust.<br><br>It&#39;s time for KC to do a full rebuild on offense. <a href="https://t.co/k2p9ID5bpv">https://t.co/k2p9ID5bpv</a></p>&mdash; Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) <a href="https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1888810313002242248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I agree with you. Andy is old at this point, but I don't think he's lost his touch yet. I still think he's got a few more seasons of magic left in his brain.

The issue is personnel like you said. Specifically, it is the Left Tackle spot. You can't function properly on offense with arguably the worst starting LT in the NFL. We didn't want to pay for Trent Williams so this is what we get. He was there. Veach didn't think Williams was worth it. Well he then went on to have three All Pro 1 seasons after Veach turned him down.

Trent called your bluff Veach.

I'd trade Creed, Thuney and Trey Smith for Tristan Wirfs. Straight up...

:hmmm:

Not a Chiefs fan, he's a Nagy ball licker.


Sorry, no excuse not to have a top 5 offense with Patrick Mahomes in his prime.



You might think throwing 2 yard passes over and over is slick but I actually watch other NFL games and watch other teams move the ball way easier than us with better schemes and playcalling.


Watch Buffalo run a Teemu Sean Payton offense with Shakir as their #1 and bully ball win a good but not great OL. An OC that no one else in the NFL wanted and got fired multiple times.


Everybody else scoring points easily that has a top end QB and Chiefs have to make everything hard.

The Chiefs won the Super Bowl 2 years ago and you called it an absolute failure for months.

You’re not a Chiefs fan. You joined when things were good. You didn’t live through 20 years without a playoff win. You didn’t live through finally seeing this franchise win a playoff game in 2015. You didn’t live through the Pioli or Herm disasters or struggle through the Marty years.

We don’t have issues with new Chiefs fans, but let’s make something clear: you are not a Chiefs fan. You’re a Mahomes fan only. Team reaches the mountain top again and you called it a complete failure. That’s your out.

You are viewed no better than the Swifties who bandwagoned this fanbase. That I can promise you. We had posters just like you before. They were Alexsexuals in the years before this dynasty.

Like them, you’ll leave when your guy leaves. But we will remain whether the franchise succeeds or fails.

Bc we are Chiefs fans and you are not. And the answer is yes by the way. Everybody on this board knows this and sees you as such.

Trent Williams was always using the Chiefs to squeeze more money out of the Niners. He didn't want to leave San Francisco. He missed out on at least 2 rings, maybe even more than that if the Chiefs had him the whole time (2021 to 2024).

I did not call winning the SB a failure you absolute retarrd.


Look, I don't mind talking to old people but when you are living in your own nursing own reality I have to put you back on ignore.


Seek help and hope you don't shit your pants again.


As for the rest off your fan fiction, speak for yourself. Don't speak for others. Obviously you never learned basic life lessons even with your advanced age.

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Another NPC that can't think for themself.


Sad.



"We"

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You just said yesterday on the last page, post 140, that we were wasting Mahomes prime. Of course you think it’s a failure. Just like you blabbed about in 2023 LMAO

5 SB’s in 6 years and winning 3 is a waste to you. A failure. Because you are not a Chiefs fan. As you prove repeatedly.

That’s perfectly fine. Accept it little fella. Embrace it. The Swifties do and you should as well. Your age, boomer, alpha, soy and other mainstream insults only reveal your age and get more hilarious each time. You’re still welcome here little guy. Just know who you are…

This is for the non-Nagy family to consider.


2022 Last year with no Nagy as OC

Chiefs #1 in explosive plays over 20 yards
#2 in explosive plays over 40 yards



Matt Nagy enters as OC 2023

2023

Plays over +20 yards Chiefs drop to 16th from 1 in ONE YEAR!


2024

Plays over +20 yards Chiefs now near bottom 5 in the NFL.


NAGIFICATION almost complete.


The question is can Matt Nagy get us to bottom 3 like his last year with the Bears?!