Brett Kollman says this guy has the highest pass rush metrics for all college DT in the last 10 years .

Yeah - there are folks online giving this pick the worst grade of the DRAFT so far and the reason is pure confirmation bias.

"We didn't have him ranked this high..."

But he has an OBVIOUS nfl skill and a high value one at that.

I can see preferring a different position or trait - fine. But ONL is gonna be a valuable NFL player.

Never understood how a guy that can get to the QB on the interior like he does was ranked so low by so many.

YouTube guys like Kollman, Sikkema, Rogers and some of the other draft guys I listen to all loved him. Yet the more plugged in people like DJ were very low on him.

I was actually thinking a bit of Nick Fairley who ironically was the comp for Jones.

They really need to add a 5 yard split to the combine to measure as well as a first step explosion metric bc ONM’s 1.79 10 yd split doesn’t do him justice. He’s extremely quick off the snap and has long arms, enormous hands and a solid set of pass rush moves.

Wharton didn’t quite put it together until last year. I think ONM can give us 2024 Wharton this year bc his ceiling is higher.

Thank God we took guys with pass rush ability like bc I never understood the appeal for guys like Alfred Collins who had size but wasn’t that much of a pass rusher aside from a strong bull rush.

6'2 291 is pretty small for DT, but he appears to have the motor and quickness to be a solid disruptor

Should I be thinking about him as a slightly heavier, but better pass-rushing upgrade on Wharton?

Oh no. If he's only a highly disruptive rotational pass rusher whatever will we do :(

Imagine a John bones jones vs Butterbean mma fight with both in their prime and watching them beat on each other. That’s how undersized DLinemen succeed

Again can someone tell me why this guy played only 17 snaps per game? Wasn't even a starter?

Tennessee had a philosophy of rotating their defensive linemen, and had a deep group. This is what I'm told.

Ok thank you. Love that he's best in pass rush win rate but part of that is he's put in ideal situations to do so.

Sure.

And he'll continue to be. No problem.

I've seen talk about it and they basically said it was a stupid decision made the coaching staff- nothing to really read into it even though it is odd.

The rest of the league just got put on notice.

https://c.tenor.com/MfPupMtBnWcAAAAC/tenor.gif

It's just a LOT easier to find a viable alternative to someone like Collins on the 3rd day or UDFA.

Nazir Stackhouse is someone I mentioned - he'll give you 90% of what Collins can, IMO.

Finding that for an interior pass rusher is rare. It's what made Wharton such a coup. Those just do not happen very often.

This! Look, in theory, with his pass win rate, if he was only in on longer 3rd downs, and he does his interior disruption or sack thing, whats not to like

So why is no one in the draft room looking excited? Most of the videos from the draft room shows everyone clapping and jumping. Chiefs look like they are not excited.

Because the Chiefs are all about that business

Here’s his negatives from the beast…Cullen has work to do.

I don't see anything there that's too concerning.

This kid is your Wharton replacement, only when he wins, he wins fast.

I think teams look stupid when they get all riled up and start sucking each others dicks after making a draft pick. Everyone makes draft picks. You dont KNOW if the pick is any good or not...yet.

TBH, the more I looked the more I think he's my least favourite pick. I never really got on the ONL train.

As a Wharton replacement, it's a solid move, he'll be better imo, but maybe not by a whole lot.

Oswald - Cobblepot is the lovechild of John Randle and Warren Sapp, prove me wrong

He'll fit right in with what we do here. No bigger than he is you may see Spags try him out as an edge rusher when we're attempting to contain a mobile QB like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.

Tershawn Wharton had 6.5 sacks in 2024.

A little better than that?

I'll take that any day of the week.

12 flags in 2 seasons and missed 1/3 of his tackles is concerning.

The coaches are thoroughly aware and I’m sure will get it under control.

Interior pass rush is a scarce resource not all that different from T.

The Chiefs got a guy that is exceptional at that one thing, even if he needs work in the run game. I reject the notion that he's completely useless against the run, and I'm pretty sure that's backed up by the advanced stats too.

You don't get a guy that can rush the passer like he does AND stuff the run at a high level at the end of the 2nd round.

Also, even if he's a part time rotational guy, he's ready to get after the QB today. He can play next to Jones on passing downs week 1.

If all we get are 4 years of this guy wrecking shit on passing downs only, that's still great value.

Run defense is all about discipline, strength and being prepared. That comes with coaching.

You can’t teach the tools he has.

When I heard we drafted this guy I couldn't get this song out of my head... https://youtu.be/CAmMKHJo9GE?si=Tb8RgDvIY_UQR1FX

Been there, done that.

Ryan Tracy loved this pick and the draft as a whole. And he is usually levelheaded when it comes to overhyping prospects. Harms wasn't a fan but he liked the rest of the draft.

I think Harms, like me, was really on Jordan Burch and Joshua Farmer (believe he also was a huge fan of Alfred Collins) Norman-Lott is a very different player than I thought they’d add at DT but I see the fit.

Gillotte and Butch are two sides of the same coin. If you like Burch you like Gillotte for the same reasons; they’re both guys with the length and power Spagnuolo requires but have some speed and bend.

They can find the big 0/1 tech run stuffers off the street. Makes sense they look for a guy that can get some rush up there.

FWIW- the guys on a podcast I was listening to were remarking that Gillotte is not a typical Spags DE because he doesn’t have the length. His arm length is 31 7/8. ONL arm length though is 33 3/4 .

I just can't bring myself to care.

I don't think that was their point. The pick is designed to find a rotational fit as a pass-rusher for at LEAST 2 seasons, IMO.

This year he may struggle to break into the rotation because of how much the team values Danna. I don't understand it, but they do.

Because with Danna and Omenihu, the team's going to like to kick one of those guys inside on passing downs. Or even Karlaftis.

Now if you move Jones out wide, that would seem to open a spot for him. You're not going to want Danna and Omenihu in there; you want a little more bulk than that. So if you have Jones at DE w/ Karlaftis at the other DE, Omenihu and ONL seem like a viable interior rush.

But ultimately I just don't see them even being worried about whether or not ONL becomes a 3-down DT someday.

Often times I feel the Chiefs build their roster with beating teams at the buzzer in mind. This is one of those guys. When the opposing offense is on the field in the waning seconds of the game the running game is virtually irrelevant. This is the guy you went out there along side Chris Jones.

Norman-Lott is a perfect fit for a pass rush-heavy role, even if the run defense still needs some polish. I’m here for a rotational guy that can cause chaos up the middle right away. The Chiefs got a steal in this one. Let’s see if he can develop the other aspects, either way, he’s a great value pick for a 2nd rounder.

Mike Pennel

The Chiefs went from 55 and 57 sacks to only 39 last year. The pass rush from week 1 through 11 only had 21 sacks averaging 1.9 sacks/game which was one of the bottom teams in the league. You could really tell Spags was relying too much on blitzing most of last year. There’s only so many blitzes you can put on tape before teams can adjust, so it was a big need to address the pass rush.

Not surprisingly, the Chiefs had 18 sacks in their last 5 games which drastically improved that number to 3.6 sacks/game.

The pass rush immediately got better when Omenihu came back. Danna also had a pec injury which hampered him until about December and that made even more of a difference.

They’ve got their 4 best rushers in Chris, Karlaftis, Omenihu and Danna.
They’ve got Felix in a critical year right behind him. Now they have ONM and Gillotte behind them. I’d argue ONM was perfectly fine bc they don’t need him to play a ton of snaps. He’s gonna be a money down rusher.

Stack good pass rushers. You never know when a few guys will miss time. As much as I hate them, you have to give the Broncos credit for doing this with Bonitto, Cooper, Allen, JFM and Roach/Ellis and even Tillman. Not to mention those assholes got one of my guys Sai’vion Jones.

Keep your guys fresh and rotate. We need to be drafting a pass rusher in the top 100 every single year.

I'd still like to have a pure speed DE. But that's just not gonna happen.

Gillotte is as close to that as you're gonna get, it would seem.

He has speed, he has some bend. But he uses that speed more to get into guys bodies and/or set them up for a genuine move.

He's not looking to go up the arc on anyone. If they just don't react, he might. But he uses his speed to set up his power or to set up a hand-fight rather than as a means to an end itself.

With someone like Uche, speed was the first club in his bag - his speed was his Driver. With Gillotte it's something of a 7 iron.

I'll take what I can get there. Honestly, I kinda feel like that was the plan for FAU but the get-off has just never come along like it should. If Gillotte plays out like we hope, it'll be because he became the guy we thought FAU would.

Yeah if you want the speed guys Spags isn’t for you bc those guys are smaller and Spags just doesn’t like those guys. Gillotte is extremely athletic for a 264 lb player though.

Among DE’s at the combine he was 5th in the 40, 4th best 10 split, 3rd best 20 shuttle and tied for the best 3 cone.

Gillotte legitimately has the athleticism of a smaller edge rusher O.City wants. He was right there with the top guys in all of the agility tests but the 40, which is a bit redundant for a DE bc they will rarely run 40 yards downfield, if at all.

That’s why I think his ceiling is higher than George’s. It showed on tape too. Yeesh.

And yeah. Felix better be ready day 1 of camp bc this kid is coming for his job. Not sure he’s gonna be able to fend this kid off. He’s exactly what they wanted Felix to become.

Not unless we suck so bad to get into the top of the draft, I'd rather not suck. I've seen enough of that crap from my team to last a lifetime.

I would just caution against expecting too much, too soon.

Spags is one to keep his thumb on the scale. Especially in his front 7. I just think the odds of Gillotte carving through both Danna AND FAU are pretty long.

Yeah, it's weird that he does that with the front, but not the back. And the back is where all the high level performance happened. I dunno.

This is the most important pick in the draft, in the short-term at least, because we need him to contribute immediately. Not much depth at DT beyond Jones. The other guys drafted can be brought along slower.

I understand the pick and the high value of pass-rush but this pick was my least favorite.

I like the idea of tool boxing guys to create a complete DT but a DT that plays 17 snaps in college in just a pass-rush role seems like a bit of a reach in the 2nd. Reminds me of last year where we took Kingsley because we loved the idea of hitting value on LT but we were wish casting a bit.

Hopefully his numbers aren't fluff and this pass-rush ability translates to the next level.

Absolutely hilarious that in the modern NFL, many of you would've been good with a one-dimensional run stuffer, but not the one-dimensional pass rusher?

News flash: you aren't getting both at 63 either way.

Also, interior pass rush is a far more finite resource than a run stuffing 2 gap DT. This is just ass backwards thinking in the modern NFL, even after the RB renaissance last year.

I thought all the Tennessee guys were difficult to gauge because they rotated their DL like hockey lines. Dude has a lot of potential and some really nice measurables, first step is there...but it's hard to judge if he was doing what he was because he was incredibly fresh against tired guys.

Saw Matt Lane bring this up as well, but if your main concern is that he's a rotational player, that's not exactly going to change in the NFL.

He's still going to be much more fresh than the guys blocking him.

Yeah, who knows. If his pass-rush win rate translates to the NFL no one will care he's one dimensional.


When I watch him it's not 100% obvious like Kancey coming out.

You mean to tell me Calijah Kancey, a top 20 pick, and one of the best interior pass rushers to come out in the last decade, is better?

You're really bad at this. No wonder you've stopped talking draft during the process on here after looking like a clown with your Worthy takes.

I preferred Darius Alexander as a prospect but he isn't without questions either so it is what it is.

I thought Alexander was the better prospect, but he's also like 25. He's supposed to be further along, and age for age, he's not as far as he should be.

Shouldn't you actually be having fun talking draft?


It doesn't seem like you are enjoying yourself.


:hmmm:


Talking to you is as much fun as shopping at Walmart.

Dude you just tried to compare a late 2nd rounder to a top 20 pick and one of the best interior pass rushers we've seen in a decade.

It's the equivalent of saying that it's "not as obvious" with Nohl Williams as it was with Trent McDuffie. No ****ing shit! It's a completely nonsensical comparison.

Kid had an amazing pass rush win rate vs the big boys in the SEC so we know what he is.

As for his low snap count, that’s what Wharton’s role was here. He had to play more snaps earlier in the season this year bc Danna and Omenihu were injured, but when Omenihu got back this was his snap %.

49%
43%
55%
47%
95%-Chris Jones was out this game

Playoffs

57%
37%
64%-played garbage the snaps..

Wharton was a speciality player who didn’t get a ton of snaps. Only gripe about ONM is it feels like they really just tried to find another Wharton with a higher ceiling but I get it.

That's an odd comparison honestly like who does that?

Like I was surprised we took Gilotte over Princely but it's all preference.

I just think it speaks to how many people are annoyed the Chiefs don't value guys who play NT. I can't count the number of times I've heard "what if Jones played next to a real nose?"

Learn to read bro.


My point was completely missed by you in that Kancey it was obvious he would be a demon pass-rusher in the NFL and Lott is less certain .


It is amusing that I love this draft and just said one player I didn't like as much gets you this fired up while half the regular posters here were shitting on Simmons pick and you did nothing.

Defend Veach better, you are slacking.

Exactly, anybody that does this stuff knows that's not at all a fair comparison for the 63rd pick in the draft LMAO

You mean it was more obvious the the top 20 pick would dominate than the 63rd pick?

Just genius stuff here, dude.

You are very slow and dimwitted.

LMAO

Anyways, I know this is the best version of you and you are only going to get more annoying and feminine as the season is about to start so you're back on ignore.

I will take you off to learn about the 300 players you like best next year.

You guys have to get these undersized finesse rushers out of your head. Spags doesn’t like those guys. He didn’t like Dee Fordand he sure as hell didn’t like Josh Uche.

Princely was 6’4” 244 lbs. Kid is not a fit here.

Spags stops the run first. Go watch the Broncos/Bills playoff game if you want to know why. Best pass rush in the NFL statistically and they got prison raped by bigger OL running the ball down their throat and blowing them off the ball.

Also I’d encourage you to look at Gillotte’s numbers. He’s more athletic and 20 lbs heavier! Kid is really big and tops in the agility testing among DE’s at the combine.

Princely is 6'4 in an NFL weight program he isn't gonna continue to be 240lbs he likely ends up more like 255-260.

Pennel IS a 'real nose'.

He's just not a long-term answer there. And we need depth behind him.

But they can find a fairly turnkey 2-gap nose in really any given draft by the end of the third round.

It's like taking Karlaftis or Rice instead of speed specialists when we did. It's just not the are we targeted because we're content with what we have at that spot at that time.

He came out of ol' miss. They have a weight room there.

He may get stronger or bigger or heavier - but like FAU, it's gonna come with a trade off. He's gonna lose some burst doing it.

When these guys spend some time in these big time college programs, you can trade physical assets but you're not likely to just raise their overall physical profile much.

He damn sure isn't adding 20 lbs of weight without sacrificing speed.

Talking about prospect age- FAU is actually 3 months younger than ONL. Pretty interesting considering FAU already has two years NFL experience and ONL is just getting started.

liking everything i see

That’s why I still hold out hope for FAU.

Milton Williams just made how much money again, and he didn’t even play 50% of Philly’s snaps last year

I love taking a guy with pass rush juice. Can’t have enough of that. CB depth and lack of a four-man pass rush was a brutal thing last year in conjunction, this year I think it’s fixed.

And despite those short comings, the defense was still really good for the most part.

Fix those and…

Getting pressure with just 4 will unlock this D full potential and help the itch turnovers , with George/Chris/ONL/Gillotte/ Omenihu we should be able to find a combination that works.

Not dinging ONL at all.... but I'm convinced that we were all ready to take Shemar Turner from A&M in the 2nd, and then the Bears snagged him right before we were on the clock.

If you recall, we were on the clock for the entire length of the time (felt like even longer), which made me think we were either A) sitting there discussing which player to choose, which means they did not immediately have ONL tee'd up as "the guy", or B) entertaining trade back options OR actively shopping to get it done.... ultimately failing to do so and settling for ONL.

Then, both in the Day 2 presser and in Nutt's presser yesterday, they alluded to the fact that there was a fall-off after ONL at the position. Which sort of indirectly says "he was the last guy we had ranked at that tier for that position group." Which further implies the guys before him were ranked above him...

In R2, the DT's that went were: Sanders (41), Collins (43), then Turner (62) and ONL at 63.

I wonder how much of a gap in grade they had between Turner and ONL. It will be interesting to compare Turner to ONL and see how it plays out over the next couple years.

I was thinking the same thing. I bet they were zeroed in on Turner. They used every bit of their time allotted and the reaction in the draft room seemed less than thrilled.

LMAO

What are you even basing this on? The draft room looks exactly the same after every pick.

It's one thing to assume they might've possibly taken/preferred Turner, which we can't know for sure either way based on what we know (even including Nutt's comments). It's another to pretend they were upset or displeased. Total nonsense, but not surprising at all, considering it's you.

Did Cullen appear "less than thrilled" when he told him on the call "I told you when you were here. I told you when you were here it was going to happen"?

https://youtube.com/shorts/MHRsGlbzI...Mo9yYPTgbFXXV7

"Less than thrilled" :rolleyes: