someone cheaper than Champ Bailey, or some cap friendly deal with him if possible. No way do I see Champ being to the Chiefs what Dale Carter was to the Donks :evil: but I worry

The same New England that has a PRO BOWL Corner Back and that they pay big bucks for?Hmmmmmm :hmmm:

Wow is that scary. Marcus Spears had numerous chances to start and hasn't cashed in. The guy cried when we moved Tait to right tackle. He whined so much that he was in Vermeil's dog house for an entire season. And Shaunard Harts? Do you remember how bad our D was with Harts at safety? He can hit like a truck but he's slower than cat piss.

I like Champ Bailey, and think he has a ton of talent. But messing with the Offensive Line is suicide as far as I am concerned. You start plugging new people in, and your asking for trouble, even though it's just one player. And Jerome Woods has done nothing but good things since he's been here. So the answer is hell no, I wouldn't give up a first round RT, and an anchor on the line in John Tait, and a Pro Bowl safety for Champ Bailey. Especially adding in the fact that we'll be required to give up at least a 1st and 2nd round draft pick.

Touche'..........

iirc the franchise tag number for tait is 1 year 4.8 million ... that's alot of cap space.

these 1 year deals actually take up more cap space than the long term one do because the bonus isn't pro rated over several years.


transition tag is top 10 ... so woods would be several million too.


i'm not sure about using dual tags... but i think i just remember something awhile back about it.

Hell, I'd be cheaper then Bailey......Somehow I don't think you want a fat,white, 42 year old guy as a shut down CB just to save $$$$$$.......... :p

yeah I didn't think about that...that could really screw our cap space unless we could restructure Bailey's contract?

yes, I am cheap. Thank God I'm not a Colts fan, I'd be:deevee:

probably the best thing we can do is just find a way to agree to a deal with tait and woods long term without screwing up our cap short term.



i wouldn't mind McCalister ... he would be cheaper in trade and cap

You think Baltimoe is going to let him get away?

This Rumor is from a very respected writer and paper in the Seattle area... :eek:


Rumor has Alexander traded to Redskins for Bailey
MIKE SANDO; The News Tribune

INDIANAPOLIS - Player-for-player trades are rare in the NFL, but this one makes too much sense to ignore. Both teams would benefit in big ways.

The Seattle Seahawks would receive a Pro Bowl cover cornerback to pair with youngster Marcus Trufant. The Washington Redskins would get the running back Joe Gibbs needs to make his offense take off, plus ample salary-cap relief to sign more players.


Champ Bailey for Shaun Alexander, straight up.


The notion sprang to life Saturday while Gibbs, in his second tenure as Redskins coach, brushed off questions about pursuing Cincinnati running back Corey Dillon.


"As to who we'd be interested in, right now that's something we want to keep to ourselves," Gibbs said during a break at the college scouting combine.


Bailey, 24, is on the trading block because Gibbs' team has salary-cap problems, too few draft choices and a glaring need at running back. He stands to collect $6.8 million as Washington's franchise player, a figure that would vanish from the payroll if Bailey were traded.


Alexander is entering the final year of his contract with Seattle. The odds of him returning in 2005 seem slim, so why not get the NFL's best cover corner in return?


The salary cap often makes such deals prohibitive, but trading Alexander would come at little cost to Seattle because so little of his contract remains on the books.


The team is already some $15 million beneath the revised cap of $80.5 million. That's more than enough wiggle room to sign Bailey to a long-term deal even if left tackle Walter Jones played for the franchise-player value of nearly $7.1 million.


Why trade a 26-year-old runner as talented as Alexander and with no history of injuries?


Let us count the reasons.


Alexander covets a stage bigger than Seattle currently offers. Never mind that Cortez Kennedy earned NFL Defensive Player of the Year honors on the 1992 Seattle team that finished 2-14. Alexander seems resigned to second-class status in Seattle.


What better place to shine than the nation's capital? Unable to crack 1,500 yards in any of his first four seasons, Alexander could conceivably eclipse 1,800 with Gibbs calling the plays.


"He doesn't get the credit he deserves because he's playing in the late game or at time when other games are going on with other featured backs," an NFC personnel director said late last season.


Alexander would understandably prefer an offense centered on his considerable running skills, not the pass-oriented attack coach Mike Holmgren has installed to great effect. Besides, scouts privately note that Alexander's obvious disdain for pass blocking could prove costly for quarterback Matt Hasselbeck.


Put Alexander in a run-oriented offense, hand him the ball 25 times a game and suddenly his blocking wouldn't matter so much. He might also become more amenable to polishing his game.


Meanwhile, the Redskins would be getting the most prolific prime-time runner in the game. Alexander's Sunday night résumé features a 266-yard game and a five-touchdown first half. In 2003, he topped 110 yards rushing four times in the final seven games as Seattle nailed down its second playoff berth in 15 years.


Only Kansas City's Priest Holmes (61) has more touchdowns than Alexander (50) since 2001.


"Everybody says, even myself, that I need 25 carries to be at my best," Alexander once said.


"Without tooting my horn or being arrogant about it, I've been blessed to make plays with less than 25 carries. But I still believe if I have 25 carries, it's going to be crazy."


Might Washington be willing to find out? On the surface, Alexander appears to be precisely the kind of marquee player Redskins owner Daniel Snyder can't resist.


Would the Seahawks explore such a trade? A chance to land Bailey would surely pique their interest, particularly because Alexander is probably gone in 2005 anyway.


The team would have to find another running back, a much simpler task than finding a shutdown corner.


Talks don't materialize - Seahawks senior vice president Mike Reinfeldt did not attend the combine after pondering a trip earlier in the week.


Face-to-face meetings with the agents for Jones and receiver Darrell Jackson seemed destined to go nowhere, anyway.


In fact, given the rocky history of the Jones negotiations, the sides probably came out ahead by not meeting.


Front-office rumblings - As Seattle's contract negotiator since 1999, Reinfeldt has been at the center of the team's journey to salary-cap flexibility. His future in Seattle could become an issue, however, after Rein-feldt's contract expired this month.


Reinfeldt has worked without a contract in the past, but Seattle's front office was considerably less crowded in those days.


The addition of general manager Bob Ferguson, coupled with more active stewardship from president Bob Whitsitt, has some in the league wondering where Reinfeldt fits in over the long haul.


Whitsitt downplayed the issue at the Super Bowl, but time will tell.


Local watch - Michigan defensive end Larry Stevens is skipping combine workouts while he rehabs an injured left shoulder.


Stevens, a product of Wilson High School, planned to participate in an on-campus workout scheduled for March 13.


Tacoma-based scout Rob Rang, owner of www.westcoastdraft.com and formerly an assistant at Stadium High, projects Stevens as a later-round pick.


"A lot of it depends on his speed," Rang said. "I will say we couldn't stop him at Stadium."


Catching up with 'Tez - Kennedy, who retired from the Seahawks after the 2000 season, is helping out the New Orleans Saints at the combine.


The eight-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle is eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2006. Kennedy remains friendly with several former Seattle employees who landed with the Saints a few years ago.


Strongman competition - Isaac Sopoaga, a defensive lineman from Hawaii, opened eyes by cranking out 42 repetitions of 225 pounds in the bench press. That was the most at the combine since UTEP's Leif Larsen did 44 in 2000.


He was only joking - As the Indianapolis Colts struggle to re-sign quarterback Peyton Manning, GM Floyd Reese of the rival Tennessee Titans joked about encouraging Manning's agent, Tom Condon, to keep upping his demands.




Mike Sando: 425-822-9504
mike.sando@mail.tribnet.com





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:mad: party pooper :mad: :cuss:

Alexander would be right up Gibbs' alley...

As for the Chiefs, the defense has to find a way to stop the run first and foremost. If we can't do that, blowing a zillion dollars on Champ Bailey isn't going to accomplish much but allow him to rack up his tackle numbers as Clinton Portis shreds the front 7. I think bringing in Gunther alone should help remedy this quite a bit... that's why I want Bailey... but for all the people on here who were wanting all kinds of change on defense and were complaining about how standing pat showed the front office doesn't care, I'm surprised so many are able to accept just adding one guy who has nothing to do with our biggest weakness on defense. I think the WR's we face next year have nothing on the running backs we'll see. The run defense MUST be solid next year, we face Portis x 2, Tomlinson x 2, Jamal Lewis, Deuce McAllister, Fred Taylor, Michael Vick, Warrick Dunn, Stephen Davis, Edgerrin James, Eddie George, Dominick Davis... all of those guys have the ability to go for 100+ against a porous defense...

the fact that you think cornerbacks have nothing to do with the running game makes the rest of your post fairly pointless to read.

Personally, I think we might already have what we need to stop the run...

Holliday is supposed to be a run-stopper...he did fine in GB. Sims can fill a gap. Browning is not great but ain't poor...he's solid enough to not be owned play after play...Hicks...well...every line has their weakness (aside from that, he's been a solid pass rusher before, and I think that's what Gun is gunning for from him...should we re-sign him)...LB's--Fujita has talent, ability, brains and speed...Barber is solid and Maz's strength is stopping the run...

The problem in the run game is that the scheme resulted in our guys getting pushed around and not striking first at the point of attack.

Aside from that...you get a shut down corner in there, you can leave him on an island and use a safety for run support...

And how many times did we see D-linemen and LB's drop back into pass coverage??? You guess wrong on doing that and it weakens the run support greatly...

Get a top-flight corner and the whole D improves...

:thumb: agreed

in fact i think getting 2 guys would solidify our defense dramatically

1. shutdown corner (champ bailey)
2. big fat tackle (ted washington)


these 2 guys(along with gunther) makes our defense 100% better

I just got home, what's the deal?

Agree 100%.

Robinson's scheme did nothing to help what appears to be a weakness in our line, backers and safties.

I'm really thinking Vincent is the short term answer...like Hasty.

My head tells me that a guy like Vincent is what we're going to get...would not be opposed to signing him and then drafting Derrick Straight (not just since I'm an OU fan, but realisitically I think he'll be the best CB still availiable by our pick) and then boot Bartee out the door...

But my heart still clamors for Bailey...

you beat me BASTARD.... ;)

But we do think alike... :)

:moon:

Maybe I shouldn't have said "nothing", I guess I forgot it was most definitely McCleon and Warfield's fault Portis ran for 5 touchdowns.....

I know but it's not going to happen.


To me Bailey is a double edged sword.

Unless we sign him to a long term deal (which won't happen) he might be here 3 years max.

If we win a superbowl and I do mean IF then its worth it.

I guess I just don't see this happening.

If I'm wrong pick the sig and I'll wear it till opening day.

You mean like Sylvester Morris or Ryan Sims?

What if ANY player get's injured?

YOu don't win a super bowl trying to grab average talent. That's how you become average. We've been average.

We don't have ONE stud on this defense, and we only have one probowler. Sims or Fujita might step up this year, they might not.

Bailey is the best in the league at what he does. If Trent is worth a first round pick, Bailey is worth 5 of them. AND he's young. AND we need help in our secondary. AND this allows Gunther to run the defense he wants to run (blitz like crazy, play man/bumb n' run coverage.)

This pick does for Gunther's defense what Trent Green did for DV's offense.....

Not to be a D!ck but what do you know about football?

I agree but what about the future?

~we are a little long in the tooth at O-line~

Of our offensive starters we have two first rounders, a third rounder, and that is it. (if you want to include Hall, he was a 5th rounder) Everyone else, 8 of the 11, are someone that we brought in. Green we traded picks for, but the point stands. 8 out of 11 spots on our offense are filled with guys we didn't draft.

We have almost always done better by going and getting some experienced players than we have in grooming draftees. Our picks flat out have more value for us in a trade than they do in Carl's hands.

When I have ever said I know anything about football? I don't proclaim to be some kind of expert in football. I'm an armchair QB like 95% of the people here. What does anyone here really know about football? I'd say not enough, that's why I've pretty much gone along Dick Vermeil's decision-making with the organization... I think I have a pretty good record of doing that. The only thing I'd say I'd have any kind of expertise from a technical standpoint is basketball, I have experience there, but that does me no good here.

The real question is what gives you any right to question my football knowledge but no one else's. Last time I checked nobody on this board had been hired for any front office position in the National Football League. Except for possibly KCTitus, I think he's Denny Thum in disguise. :D I don't really get the point of asking someone about why they should be talking football on a forum designed for such, but whatever, I guess we can go talk politics or something.

That's why free agency works..BUT..my thought's are in what we have yet to sign (our own free agents) versus who we can draft and pay little for.


Sometimes I glad I'm not in the business.

I DON'T GIVE TO $#ITS ABOUT THE FUTURE.....

Our future, like it or not, will suck. This team, as old as it is on the offensive line, WR, and secondary will SUCK in 3 years. Green will be gone, Shields and Roaf and TRich will be gone, Woods will be gone, Kennison and Morton will be gone, and likely Priest will be half of the back he is now or retired.

If we Bailey we can win now. Period. Bailey is young, and there is NO downside to signing him. None. ZERO.

He's the best in the league, young, and come in IMMEDIATELY and help this team. NO rookie can do that on defense. NO ROOKIE can come in year one and have half the impact Bailey can.

Not only that, but a draft pick is only a CHANCE at a good player. You can get a stud, a dud, or an average Joe. If we trade for Bailey we are GAURANTEED a stud. NO PICK, NO ROOKIE, is a gauranteed stud.

Not only that but we NEED great players on defense. Woods is a good player but he's getting up there.

I'm just responding to your remark about why the corners had nothing to do with run support.

Just a question (henceforth the D!ck remark) not a putdown.

Have a beer bud....

I am....

Every defensive Free agent we have, added together, won't have the impact Bailey will.

Hicks hasn't done squat in two years, Woods is a probowler but not nearly as talented as Bailey, and no one else on defense is even worth discussing.

Exactly.The future is NOW!!!The Chiefs need to go out and get players that UPGRADE the defense and Bailey certainly upgrades the secondary.

That is an interesting question, what did super bowl teams add to their roster that put them over the top?

NE? Tampa? NE? Rams?

I think that's got more to do with GROB's shat scheme than talent. Missing Maz hurt a lot in the running game as well. He wasn't very good in coverage, but he had a great feel for where the play was developing and a solid tackler and run stuffer.

I don't remember GROB ever having that great a run defense.

I do agree with you...

Don't get me wrong.

I'm just not sold that the chiefs agree with our logic.

If it did we would have looked for ANY free agent corner for the last three years to do the job.

NE added Ted Washington, but on the other hand they cut Lawyer Milloy and had guys like Eugene Wilson and Asante Samuel out there playing in the secondary as rookies... then again having McGinest and Seymour and Bruschi and Law out there doesn't hurt....

NE added to their defensive line and a LOT of quality depth, so when they did get injuries their team didn't fall apart like ours did two years ago....

Tampa Added stability to the QB position, a new head coach that costed TWO first round picks and two 2nd's (IIRC), and Keenan McCardel (WR.)

The Rams added a new DC, spent a first round pick in a trade for (here it is, pay attention) A CORNERBACK, and signed two new offensive lineman. (ANY of that sound familar? )

And the Panthers TRADED for Stephen Davis....

Again I mentioned the Patriots having a PRO BOWL Corner Back named Ty Law,but you must have missed that one.Guess how much he makes? :hmmm:
Surely you aren't implying that the BUCS defense didn't get them to the big dance are you?

The time is now,the window is two years,regardless if when win it all or not in two years we WILL be rebuilding.We might as well go out and do everything we can to give us the best odds of winning the Super Bowl.We have tried for nearly 15 years of replacing players in FA with the same type players.There is RARELY an UPGRADE,so why not go with the closest thing to a sure thing in a 4 year Pro Bowler who is still VERY YOUNG?Sometimes it seems like some are CONTENT with staying mediocre.I'm NOT-I want the Chiefs to win it all.

You're in a zone today, Brad. Single rep for multiple posts on this thread. :thumb:

Dexter McCleon did a pretty damn fine job IMO.

He's not Champ Bailey, not a shutdown corner, but how many times did you see him get roasted deep for a touchdown, Bartee/Warfield style? Warfield got beat deep for a TD by 267 year old Jerry Rice for crying out loud. McCleon is twice the corner Warfield is.

Then there were his 6 interceptions. Early in the season when we were getting turnovers we were winning. Later in the year when we didn't, we weren't.

McCleon was a great acquisition at corner and did a damn fine job. You have to give Carl and Vermeil credit for that one.

Yep...and every superbowl team has had an edge weather it be talent, health or coaching. IMO the Pats won on coaching other than talent and that's why we hear and see DV assessing his job on a consistant basis.

It's ship, capitan, crew and that in some regards is all there is to it.

If I'm wrong than how else to you explain the Panthers?


Just something to chew on.

Again the Pats have PRO BOWL CB Ty Law.He makes MORE money than Champ Bailey.The Pats have had no problem paying him because they KNOW how important having a shut down Corner is to their defense.

I thought he did a great job...

But he did GET those interception's during the first 8 games. IMO as soon as we lost Maz the D went south (as we all know).

This all boils down to last years scheme and I know it but if Gun is the answer, why do we need Champ when we Dexter and Warfield?

actually on one of the portis runs Vermeil SAID that Warfield took the wrong gap that led to the 60 yard portis run.


1. Good Corners can go man on man ... which allows safeties to play closer to the line of scrimmage and cover tightends

2. with safeties on tightend instead of linebackers(see shannon sharpe for 200 yards) you get better tightend coverage.

3. since the linebackers don't have to fall into coverage they can attack the line of scrimmage with run support and blitzes.

4. when we blitz with a linebacker we don't have to drop a defensive lineman into coverage because the safeties are closer to the line of scrimmage and can slider over instead.

5. that means we now have 7 defenders(4 DL,3 LB) playing the run instead of just the 4 defensive lineman. Just the numbers alone will clog more lanes and improve the run defense.



all these things started with better corner coverage


not to mention the 140 tackles the cornerback got on our team last year

You're right. Also, on the postgame show on 101 the Fox, Eric Warfield said that he "lined up on the wrong side of the field" and that he was at fault for it.

Allright, we'll just agree to disagree. This is where I shake my head and leave the discussion :shake:

:thumb: I like the way you think. :D

yes it sounds familiar & even more so to DV. But if you want to go for it all now, why not sign cheaper-Vincent and have more $$ for other positions.

Great post!! :thumb: A cover corner in Gunther's scheme is a must.Some think McCleon can fill in.I agree that McCleon had a very good year,but he is not the big cover corner that Gunther covets and will most likely become the nickleback or the FS if Woods isn't retained.McCleon is NOT the answer in a GUNTHER D.

How much does Law make, what will Bailey cost?

Because Vincent is on the DOWN-side of his career.Bailey is in his prime.

I don't know why everyone's attacking me, I don't disagree with a single thing that's been said here. I said I shouldn't have said they had "no impact", we all know better than that. I don't think Champ Bailey or anybody would've mattered in that Denver game because that defense couldn't stop things when they absolutely knew what was coming over the last 2 years. I've said 350 million times I don't think any of that is a problem anymore and that we would be serviceable now just because of a coaching change. I agree with a lot of what's being said here, I was just making a remark regarding how everyone was complaining because we weren't looking at FA's supposedly and how the front office just didn't care and now the tune had changed somewhat. Instead, one little statement out of my post that I could care less about gets turned into some huge deal... it's like I'm running for President.

Either your I'm drunk or I need to down a few more to understand your reply.


Did you even read my "whole" post?

Agree to dissagree? :bong:

Let's pretend that's what we do. We sign Vincent. That contract will be the LAST contract he ever signs. He's got 2-3 years left in this league before he retires or Joins Rod Woodson at FS. He's going to want us to show him the money. Bailey would likely be CHEAPER at this point because we could back-load a longer term (5-7 year) contract. See Holmes or Green's contracts for similar approach. We don't have that option with Vincent because he KNOWS he won't ever be around to see that late-year payday...He's a good player though, and would be a solid addition.

THEN who do we target? What IMPACT LB or DL are out there? Is there a Warren Sapp talent at DT?

No....

Is there a Jevon Kearse at End who ISN'T always injured?

No...Winstrom is likely the most solid DE available. He's good, but no stud. I'll pretend we somehow land BOTH Vincent and Winstrom. Our defense is better. This year. But that's it. We've blown our wad.

This is just MHO but I'd rather improve our WR's and sign a STUD CB...We take a step up on offense AND on defense. A CB like Bailey allows us to blitz (making up for a lack of pass rush on from the D line) and we won't get burned with him locking up on his guy.

I kind of think the fact we have drafted Sims, Freeman, Wilkerson, Downing, Sharpe in the last three years while having added Truluck and just resigned Browning might be telling us nothing is going to happen along the defensive line. I would not be against getting a top notch MLB do you know of one that is available? I think the reason people are concentrating on CB is that it is a position of obvious need, there are a number of them available and most importantly we figure we only at most have a shot at 1 player based on what has been said by DV if that many.

As what?

Democrat, Republican or Independant?

Be specific... ;)

Blah, I'm going to delete that post. I can go find 300 quotes of my own where I said Gunther was going to fix this defense talent be damned and I think the Chiefs #1 priority this offseason should be a FA CB.... but no one's listening.

I read it....

ROFL

;)

Law will cost the Patriots almost $9.5 million against the salary cap next year and more than $12 million in 2005-they will either sign him long-term to free up some cap space or say goodbye to him,but I believe last year he made at least $8 million.
Nobody knows Bailey will make because he hasn't signed a contract yet.

I agree with everything you stated. I don't buy into the window, teams rebuild to some extend every year. My problem was with the dollars & draft picks to land Bailey. This I understand is his first big payday & will be going to a new team anyway so he will go for the bucks, I would. The back loaded deal sounds good. But with Gonzo & Priests deals, the O line is not cheap. QBOTF is needed to groom. We really do need a good WR, maybe through draft. Is all this doable & Bailey too?

I wish I could post your sig..


ROFL ROFL :LOL:

I did. You acted like you didn't understand why we needed Bailey when we had Warfield, so I gave up.

:hmmm:Clearly you need smilies.ROFL

Whether you want to admit it or not there IS a window.That window is TWO years and TWO years ONLY.Vermeil WILL NOT be back.The other coaches aren't signed for any longer than Two years and even Carl Peterson's contract is up.Parlay that with having SEVERAL players that are over the age of 30 and it easy to see there is ONLY a two year window.Priest Holmes,T-Rich,Will Shields,Wille Roaf,Trent Green,Johnny Morton,Eddie Kennison,Kendall Gammon,and Morten Andersen are ALL over the age of 30,that means they won't be around much longer,so to get it done,the window is two years.

That is why the draft picks that go for Bailey hurt. Saunders is probably pushing for the future & DV will listen. What CP ultimately decides is the question

The Draft picks don't really hurt.Picking at 30 overall and getting Bailey for that pick is a steal.We are not going to get a stud Pro Bowl corner picking at 30, so Bailey actually improves our pick and it's like trading up,except we KNOW what we are getting with Bailey,a proven PRO BOWL CB that is going into his prime.You don't actually believe we are going to get a better player with the 30th pick do you?BTW why are you so against getting Bailey?

Is this a draft loaded with WRs? I would love to have Champ, it's the price tag. The Chiefs paid a ridiculous amount for Warfield, what the hell will Bailey cost? CP will be stepping out the door when DV goes, he has to be grooming someone to take his place. His ego would want that person to succeed so he could have a piece of the Chiefs after he is gone. Is Champ part of that success? Seems most here think yes

I'd rather sign Troy Vincent, who is still a Pro Bowl CB, for cheap, than have to pony up tons of dough for Bailey plus give up at least 2 very high draft picks.

Troy Vincent is still a very special CB even at his age. Whoever compared Ray Crockett to Troy Vincent doesn't have a clue.

30th in the draft is not a very high draft pick. Who knows where we will pick next year but hopefully even lower.

You have to look at the value of the pick.Picking at 30 overall,there is no way we will get a player that caliber of Bailey.Trading up to get a potential player that great costs picks.If it only costs a 1st rounder and a 3rd,why in the Hell WOULDN'T we go after him?Like I said earlier, to me it's not the draft picks,because that works in our favor,but the money that is the sticking point.Even the money IMO, is only an obstacle if we aren't willing to pay him what he's worth.Give him more in a signing bonus and guarantee some money for him.He's absolutely worth it.I respect your opinion but Troy Vincent
is on the down-side of his career and Bailey is just coming into his prime.It's like comparing night and day,IMO.

I said the same thing earlier. It's not the draft picks, it's the money he's going to command. I am really doubtful that we can sign Bailey and re-up Tait, Woods, Dunn, Hicks, and Bartee, although the last 2 can walk as far as I am concerned.

At this point, I would rather keep Tait, Woods and Dunn, and sign either Taylor or Vincent than give away 2 picks and all of our cap space. My opinion changes though if Bailey wouldn't want to stick it to us cap wise. That being said, I doubt the Redskins will pick our offer over the 4 or 5 other teams interested in Champ Bailey. As you said, the value of our picks aren't that good.

I really do not care if we resign Woods and I do not want to resign Bartee. Hicks at a reasonable price is fine. So I think we can find a way to make him fit. I just do not believe Carl will.

Yeah our Defense is definitely in position to start pissing away Pro Bowl players. We have a ton of Pro Bowl players on defense. We can let one walk, especially one that performed well under our new D Coordinator.

I like Jerome Woods and I'm sure the Chiefs want to keep him,but according to Adam Teicher we aren't even close on the dollar amount.Both sides are far apart.I think many would like to keep Woods,but not if he is expecting to break the bank.He had the option to make $3 million this year and HE opted to VOID the contract,which tells me he thinks he is worth more or he would have played it out.Woods is a fine player but he is NOT worth over $3 million a year,when we have players like Shanaurd Harts or Dexter McCleon who could step in for him.That might not be as good as Woods,but they already are signed.The Chiefs need to upgrade on defense and IF players like Woods are going to be greedy and hold the Chiefs back than we have no choice but to let him walk.The Chiefs didn't choose this,Woods did.

I would trade a Pro-Bowl Safety and a below average CB for a Pro-Bowl CB and a below average Safety any day.

The bump increase from McCleon to Champ has to be greater than the drop from Woods to Harts.

Agreed and can't Julian Battle be taught to play Safety? He's got the size, speed, and he's a hard hitter. Didn't he play it in college more than CB? :hmmm:

Don't sign Woods...move up to draft Sean Taylor....and get Bailey.

So what? I can dream....

Dexter McCleon came here to play CB. McCleon failed miserably at Safety with the Rams. And Shaunard Harts should only be allowed to play spot duty.

Either way, I'd rather have Woods and Tait over what Bailey will command money wise.

Yes, my biggest complaint wth Battle is that he should be a Safety in the NFL. I would be delighted if he got that chance.

Holy Lord in Heaven :banghead: