Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4655973)

You're putting an awful lot of pressure on a rookie offensive lineman. Croyle is likely to get hurt no matter who you draft.

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4656016)

Everyone calls Gholston lazy because he takes plays off. He disappears in the fourth, and gets taken out of games completely.

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 4655264)

We simply don't have enough players on the defensive line though. IMO the only players currently on our roster at DL who will be here opening day are DE's Jared Allen, Tamba Hali, and Turk McBride and DT's Tank Tyler, Alfonso Boone, and Tank Tyler. Besides the obvious lack of depth at both positions, two things come to mind.

1) Our defensive tackles are all nose tackle types. None of them can rush the passer very well from the interior. Even if Tank Tyler develops he will never be a Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris type. He is more along the lines of a Anthony McFarland/Pat Williams type. We need our Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris/Kevin Williams on the interior.

2) Turk McBride is IMO nothing more than a rotational player. He simply does not have what it takes to rush the passer from the outside. If either Allen or Hali go down for an extended period of time our pass rush goes to shit because we simply won't have any reliable backups at DE who can rush the passer.

Any thought that we are fine on the defensive line is absurd.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 4655396)

22 posts in and no one has asked this obvious question

What the hell are you smoking?

Otah won't make it out of the top 15 picks, much less into the second round.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4655588)

You just completely ignored my post.

ACTUAL TALENT. Not who you think has a CHANCE to be talented.

Being excited about who will become a contributor is great. I'm looking forward to that as well.

But as of 11:46am on March 29th, there is little TRUE talent on this team......
.....

Philip Rivers
LaDainian Tomlinson
Nick Hardwick
Marcus McNeill
Antonio Gates
Chris Chambers
Igor Olshansky
Jamal Williams
Luis Castillo
Shaun Phillips
Shawne "roidman" "roidman" "roidman" Merriman
Antonio Cromartie


THAT is talent you build around. Not a whopping 2-3 players.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 4655596)

If you feel you absolutely need to draft an OT early this year, wouldn't it be better to draft an elite level prospect at 5, then trade up into the late first round to get a shot at Sam Baker?

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655636)

I think the point about "stars" that some of us have is that even DT and Neil didnt look nearly as star-like without Saleamua and Phillips in front of them. They didnt get star status but guys like them and Szott, Grunhard, Alt, etc. freed the other guys up to do their thing. We may never find out who the young stars are if they are picking up slack for poor play in the trenches.

LJ was a "star" untill we started loosing the battle of the trenches, then he looked like crap without solid talent in front.

I'm not for OT at all cost, but if Long is there it frees us up to do so much more with our other picks. I also would take Clady over reaching for a Defensive guy like Gholston who doesnt even fit out scheme. Its funny that the BPA regardless crowd seems to be all for reaching for Defense.

Again at 5 we're going to get one of the elite 5-6 players in the draft, whats wrong with hoping that its also a position of need that will free up our "stars" on Offense to do what they do? If its Dorsey or Ellis I'll be jumping for joy! But we'll still have to think OT, and OG later in the draft and hoping they can start almost immediately because they will have to. My whole point is the later we wait to address a position where we need starters NOW the less likely we'll get players ready to start NOW. ----before you say it I'm not saying that means we will win now.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4656037)

Wow.

That sounds like someone I know that plays DE for the Chiefs, yet everyone says he's an elite DE.....

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 4655670)

It's not about need, it's about quality, .

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655673)

Gholston is a lazy game day guy who had a great workout. Clady is a 2-3 spot "reach". Gholston doesnt fit our Defense and would have to take time to learn to play the run while we hope he starts giving every play. I only hope the Raiders take him so we can run at him all day long and forget him by the 4th quarter. NOT and elite prospect. ONCE AGAIN 2-3 spots isnt a reach otherwise all the teams would just take the next guy on the overall players list.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4655685)

Boone is 32 and Edwards is 35. Tanks and Turk BETTER work out, because right now, they are all we have at DT for the future.

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4656105)

Nope! It's about "quality" in the position of our greatest "need."

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4655692)

Not picking on you, but since you said it....

Why are people so hung up on Long's 1 penalty and 2 sacks?

If he got to play Michigan's schedule again this year, that might be of interest.

He has to play against 16 of the best DE's in the world. The best of the best.

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4656091)

How many of those names made your list AFTER SD became a good team? We are not a good team now. But when SD was in our current shoes a lot of those players were called no talent busts, I'm sure, by some of their fans. Just like you are doing.

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4656113)

Isn't that true for ALL college kids drafted in the NFL? So everybody is hopeless by your reasoning.