Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7596047)

He does have a point about being in love with the idea rather than the player.

You're completely overselling his NFL ability to justify the 36th pick in a ridiculously deep draft.

You don't take this kind of a player with that valuable of a pick.

He's not what you all claimed he was. He's not Wes Welker. He's not DeSean Jackson. He's not Percy Harvin. He's not Devin Hester.

He's a guy that you can get in the later rounds of almost every draft.

He's an even smaller, slower version of Jacoby Ford who was taken in the 4th.

Just one example off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7596040)

How would you know? You've pretty much had your fingers in your ears whistling the whole time anyway.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7596053)

Chris Johnson is no scat back and was no scat-back. He's a speed rusher that, IIRC, broke the 40 time record at the combine. He also showed a solid power game as a full-time rusher at UCF. If you honestly want to compare Johnson and McCluster, do so at your own peril. As far as I'm concerned, it only serves to undermine your credibility.

Charles is also not a scat-back. Even when he was taken people marveled at his balance and the fact that he was actually pretty sturdy off-tackle (by all means, review the thread). The concern with Charles was his experience and the fact that he ran tall. No, he was not seen as a scat-back. Even still, he was taken a hell of a lot later than 36 overall because, again, you don't take guys you don't think can shoulder a legitimate NFL workload at 36 overall.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7596056)

I haven't made a single argument for or against WHERE he was drafted. My argument is over his ability to be a play making contributer. He's shown the ability to do that.

And we can't sit here and use this "But blah blah blah was taken in X round" argument. If people knew what Ford would've been, he would've been taken higher. Hence the "draft is a crap shoot" blah blah blah.

I hate that argument actually.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7596056)

I haven't made a single argument for or against WHERE he was drafted. My argument is over his ability to be a play making contributer. He's shown the ability to do that.

And we can't sit here and use this "But blah blah blah was taken in X round" argument. If people knew what Ford would've been, he would've been taken higher. Hence the "draft is a crap shoot" blah blah blah.

I hate that argument actually.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7596098)

But here's the problem:

If McCluster is taken in the 6th round, EVERYONE likes this pick, yes even Clay. He can say he wouldn't, but that's not true.

The angst over McCluster, from everyone that's ever knocked him, is where he was drafted. So when this thread gets rolling and people like BCD come in trying to call out the wolves, they're tacitly defending the where of the pick because said wolves were only ever angry about where he was drafted.

You can't try to get a group of people riled up about something, mis-characterize their position then deflect when they make the same point they've made from the very start.

Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7596090)

Plenty of Chiefs fans are madly in love with McCluster. He's little and cute and exciting.

Just check out his facebook page.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7596116)

How many of those people post on this site, much less this thread?

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7596116)

How many of those people post on this site, much less this thread?

Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7596130)

I am sure there is crossover.

Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7596103)

I would love McCluster if he was taken in the 6th.

He's little and cute and exciting.