Career TDs: Orton- 80 Cassel- 76
Number of Starts: Orton- 69 Cassel- 54
TDs per start: Orton- 1.16 Cassel-1.41

He sucks. Hell, he could only get 20 TDs in 2010 playing the NFC West ROFL

You keep trying to bring Chicago and New England into this. It's not relevant.

Over the last 37 games? In Kansas City and Denver? Identical TD production.

Yes it is relevant. You don't get to pick and choose what years you want to throw in this. It's no coincidence that you want to stop counting years the year Cassel threw for 3600 yards and 21 TDs while Orton had 2900 yards and 18TDs. I'm including every year. No bias in my stats.

And over the past 3 years, Cassel has 53 TDs to Orton's 50 so...

Of those td passes Cassel had, I'd like to see how many came on short throws that guys took the distance or fades that a guy made a crazy catch on.

Orton is a different player than he was in Chicago.

Not really, he was a backup in Chicago too LMAO

Tapping out. Concession offered.

How many of Ortons TDs are of Brandon Marshall/Brandon Lloyd making crazy catches or catching fades? How many are on short throws that Royal and Lloyd took the distance?

How was it a tap out? He wouldn't be sitting on the bench right now if he was truly good. If he is a much different player, he wouldn't have been benched for Tim Tebow and then cut.

Good QBs are the hottest commodity in the NFL. If he was a good QB, he'd be a starter right now.

No, you misunderstand.

You've outlasted me. I've reached my breaking point. My debate-o-matic is burned out.

I am tapping out.

Congrats.

BINGO !

I can't argue stats or anything, but just by seeing Orton play and Cassel play, Orton just looked like a better passer to me. However, we're a team that hasn't won a Super Bowl in over 40 years and hasn't won a playoff game in nearly 20. To sit here and say Kyle ****ing Orton is the man we need on the job would just be idiotic. Neither Cassel or Orton are winning a damn Super Bowl for us, so who gives a shit.

Living out here in donkey country I saw every game he played and his redzone play sucked because he had no talent around him good enough to make it happen when the D's tightened up. Orton would have rocked here IMO but Pioli got scared as shit imagining just that point you make with the above guys mentioned and it would have been too controversial for Cassel because Orton would have shown him up big time and especially with the arm accuracy and strength.

Dollars to donuts that Orton would at least get us to the AFC championship and possible win it depending on who we played whereas Cassel shits his pants the first playoff game as usual.