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Sorter 02-18-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9412995)
Not to worry. The LOW END of his possible win totals next year will be six games better than last year. It will probably be seven or eight, though.

I mean, I thought my post was more than reasonable.

B14ckmon 02-18-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9413000)
I mean, I thought my post was more than reasonable.

You're post was one of the few reasonable ones here. Some of the ones here make it sound like Cam is a bust and Geno has already been declared a finalist for the Hall of Fame.

Saul Good 02-18-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9413000)
I mean, I thought my post was more than reasonable.

I'd say it's reasonable to think we could catch a lot of breaks and go 9-7. I'd say it's also reasonable that we don't and wind up 4-12.

Sorter 02-18-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9413031)
I'd say it's reasonable to think we could catch a lot of breaks and go 9-7. I'd say it's also reasonable that we don't and wind up 4-12.

I initially suggested 5-11. It's tough to say currently not knowing our roster and schedule. Additionally, he could hit the rookie wall or progress exceptionally ala R. Wilson.

DeezNutz 02-18-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9412995)
Not to worry. The LOW END of his possible win totals next year will be six games better than last year. It will probably be seven or eight, though.

Nothing is a sure thing in terms of wins for a franchise like the Chiefs, but I believe we'll be shocked to learn further the weight of the shit pile that was Scott Pioli.

The environment he created was so toxic that I believe the effort/performances of damn near everyone employed at 1 Arrowhead will raise dramatically because he's gone. It might be the single greatest example of addition by subtraction in sports history.

Scott ****ing Pioli really is that ****ing bad as a GM. And **** everyone who tried to argue otherwise for the last four years.

HotCarl 02-18-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9413019)
You're post was one of the few reasonable ones here. Some of the ones here make it sound like Cam is a bust and Geno has already been declared a finalist for the Hall of Fame.

Cam isn't that good of a football player, even before you consider his attitude and lack of leadership/character.

B14ckmon 02-18-2013 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HotCarl (Post 9413228)
Cam isn't that good of a football player, even before you consider his attitude and lack of leadership/character.

Compared to who? He had a horrible stretch of the season to start the year when the Panthers were playing like trash, and he still managed to make it into the top half of the league in most QB stats.

HotCarl 02-18-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9413255)
Compared to who? He had a horrible stretch of the season to start the year when the Panthers were playing like trash, and he still managed to make it into the top half of the league in most QB stats.

In garbage time stats, he's definitely a beast.

Titty Meat 02-18-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HotCarl (Post 9413228)
Cam isn't that good of a football player, even before you consider his attitude and lack of leadership/character.

Haha all objectivity has been lost on this board

NJChiefsFan 02-18-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9412984)
Holy shit, people...you really are delusional.

I count six almost certain losses: Denver, Denver, Houston, Indianapolis, New York, Washington.

I count zero sure wins, and two where I think we would be favored by more than a FG (Oakland and Cleveland). Even if you chalk those up as wins (dumb) and split the rest, that's 6-10.

You can never predict your schedule difficulty completely in the NFL. WAS could have a complete crap year with a few injuries. We nearly beat IND this year and we had a mentally reeruned dead midget playing QB. I'm not gonna sit here and predict 8 or 9 wins, but listing a few of those as almost certain losses is a little extreme.

We barely lost to PIT, BAL, and DEN in KC when our team was a joke. Granted, those teams all farted around in those games making it closer than it should of but you never know in the NFL.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-18-2013 06:27 PM

Like I say every year. You can't judge a schedule before the year starts much less before draft or ****ing free agency has even begun. Their are 5-6 new playoff teams pretty much EVERY year.

RyFo18 02-18-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9413267)
Haha all objectivity has been lost on this board

Yep

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-18-2013 08:02 PM

oh **** newton in the ass already...
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milkman 02-18-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HotCarl (Post 9413228)
Cam isn't that good of a football player, even before you consider his attitude and lack of leadership/character.

I' already on record with my opinion that his mental issues are a red flag, but to suggest he is anything but an outstnding football is sheer absurdity.

You are moron.

Saul Good 02-18-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9413844)
I' already on record with my opinion that his mental issues are a red flag, but to suggest he is anything but an outstnding football is sheer absurdity.

You are moron.

What are these mental issues? By all accounts, he's extremely bright. Is it that he does the Superman thing? God forbid a guy understand marketing. I guess Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Kobe Bryant, etc. aren't leaders, either.

Is Ben Roethlisberger leading when he rapes chicks? Was Brett Favre displaying leadership by whipping out his wang and sending pictures of it? Was Joe Namath a leader when he was chilling on the sideline in a ****ing fur coat? Was Dan Marino a leader while snorting lines? Was Eli Manning a leader when he refused to play for the team that drafted him? Was John Elway a leader when he was torturing babies?

What are these issues that Cam has that discredit his incredible on the field performance?


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