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RunKC 01-18-2017 09:30 AM

You can really tell that the offense has struggled bc of playcalling, but thats Alex's fault. Andy is an elite gameplanner for the first series of a game, but then teams figure out how to defend our plays.

When your QB doesn't provide enough downfield stability, everyone on the defense comes up and stacks the box.

That's also why the running game has stalled.

Snica 01-18-2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12694943)
You can really tell that the offense has struggled bc of playcalling, but thats Alex's fault. Andy is an elite gameplanner for the first series of a game, but then teams figure out how to defend our plays.

When your QB doesn't provide enough downfield stability, everyone on the defense comes up and stacks the box.

That's also why the running game has stalled.

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DJ's left nut 01-18-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12694911)
We don't need 'all world' 85 Bears, Greatest Show on Turf, 2015 Broncos, weapons on O and D. We need to assembled team to play to their abilities on the day that counts.

Now I don't know if this playoff shrinking violet thing is an anomaly or a concrete and enduring character flaw. But it wasn't a simple one man, one problem fix, and it doesn't need something superhuman to overcome it.

If anything, the trainers and coaches have to put the parts of the 'watch' in position to take advantage of our assets, more than breaking everything up and building a new watch.

No question, but that's what makes that missed shot downfield so painful.

We don't need much from our QB, but we need that. We need the gimmes to actually be gimmes.

Because if they were, this team goes to the SB. If he hits that throw, I'm absolutely convinced that the Chiefs win that game and potentially by double digits. It changes the feel of the entire team and changes how the Steelers deal with the sideline routes.

Do you agree that we win that game with Kirk Cousins under center? And as someone else mentioned, I'm pretty certain we'd have won that game with Trevor Siemian taking snaps. We win that game with a bunch of non-elite guys.

He's fallen to the wrong side of 'just right'. The middle of the road chiefs fans realize that this team could win a championship with adequate, not elite, quarterback play. The only question is whether or not we think we'll get adequate.

I'm unwilling to give the person that passed on that throw another shot at it. Because if they are in the post-season again next year, there will be a point in some game where he has to hit that throw and I'm no longer confident that he'll even attempt it.

Lzen 01-18-2017 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12693479)
You know, I can see both sides to this argument.

I mean Smith is a solid, professional quarterback and a good lea....



**** that. Time to move on.

:shake:

What receiver was that? Not that it matters but man, so many wasted opportunities with Smith. I'm ready to move on.

BigCatDaddy 01-18-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12695000)
No question, but that's what makes that missed shot downfield so painful.

We don't need much from our QB, but we need that. We need the gimmes to actually be gimmes.

Because if they were, this team goes to the SB. If he hits that throw, I'm absolutely convinced that the Chiefs win that game and potentially by double digits. It changes the feel of the entire team and changes how the Steelers deal with the sideline routes.

Do you agree that we win that game with Kirk Cousins under center? And as someone else mentioned, I'm pretty certain we'd have won that game with Trevor Siemian taking snaps. We win that game with a bunch of non-elite guys.

He's fallen to the wrong side of 'just right'. The middle of the road chiefs fans realize that this team could win a championship with adequate, not elite, quarterback play. The only question is whether or not we think we'll get adequate.

I'm unwilling to give the person that passed on that throw another shot at it. Because if they are in the post-season again next year, there will be a point in some game where he has to hit that throw and I'm no longer confident that he'll even attempt it.

Funny. I now remember the idea being floated of trading the number one overall for Cousins, but hey Eric Fisher :facepalm:

Lzen 01-18-2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN (Post 12694800)
Andy Reid has his flaws but I can't believe that he can stick with Alex after watching the game tapes of him missing wide open receivers and just outright refusing to release the ball. If Andy accepts this behavior then it's time to look for another head coach as well as another quarterback. Dorsey has to apply pressure to Andy to face reality. No quarterback hits every open receiver but when you become gunshy then it's time to be replaced. The team deserves a better chance to show their abilities.

THIS!!!!!

Titty Meat 01-18-2017 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12695000)
No question, but that's what makes that missed shot downfield so painful.

We don't need much from our QB, but we need that. We need the gimmes to actually be gimmes.

Because if they were, this team goes to the SB. If he hits that throw, I'm absolutely convinced that the Chiefs win that game and potentially by double digits. It changes the feel of the entire team and changes how the Steelers deal with the sideline routes.

Do you agree that we win that game with Kirk Cousins under center? And as someone else mentioned, I'm pretty certain we'd have won that game with Trevor Siemian taking snaps. We win that game with a bunch of non-elite guys.

He's fallen to the wrong side of 'just right'. The middle of the road chiefs fans realize that this team could win a championship with adequate, not elite, quarterback play. The only question is whether or not we think we'll get adequate.

I'm unwilling to give the person that passed on that throw another shot at it. Because if they are in the post-season again next year, there will be a point in some game where he has to hit that throw and I'm no longer confident that he'll even attempt it.

Seems you are blaming the entire loss all on Smith which is pretty silly.

Baby Lee 01-18-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12695003)
Funny. I now remember the idea being floated of trading the number one overall for Cousins, but hey Eric Fisher :facepalm:

Kirk Cousins? I thought we were talking about a QB who could put the team on his shoulders for an important game. Didn't he JUST shit his franchise out of a playoff spot a few weeks back?

DJ's left nut 01-18-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12695015)
Seems you are blaming the entire loss all on Smith which is pretty silly.

No. But I am saying that there are probably 20 QBs in the league that make the play there that could've easily won us that game.

At some point in the post-season you'll need your QB to step up and make a big play that either wins a game or at least sparks the rest of the team into stepping up and winning the game. Our guy didn't.

That was a teamwide failure but the person that was most capable of nudging the team past it - the guy that had the ball in his hands more than any other player on the squad - didn't do it because he was scared.

To me, that's simply not something I want repeat and I see nothing to suggest that it's not exactly what we'll have happen.

RunKC 01-18-2017 10:29 AM

Alex could have pulled us out of hope we were in. He missed Tryeek twice and Maclin once. That's 14 damn points we pissed away.

Sure ____ player dropped a pass and _____ players struggled with blocking at times, but the point is that Alex had every opportunity to lead this team and put them over the top and he didn't bc he was scared.

Palko 4 ever 01-18-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 12695002)
:shake:

What receiver was that? Not that it matters but man, so many wasted opportunities with Smith. I'm ready to move on.

That was Tyreek and it wasn't the only time Alex missed him wide open downfield.

DJ's left nut 01-18-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12695025)
Alex could have pulled us out of hope we were in. He missed Tryeek twice and Maclin once. That's 14 damn points we pissed away.

Sure ____ player dropped a pass and _____ players struggled with blocking at times, but the point is that Alex had every opportunity to lead this team and put them over the top and he didn't bc he was scared.

He didn't miss Maclin. Maclin turned the wrong way on a high school route.

We've been over this already. Repeating it doesn't make it true.

Titty Meat 01-18-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12695019)
No. But I am saying that there are probably 20 QBs in the league that make the play there that could've easily won us that game.

At some point in the post-season you'll need your QB to step up and make a big play that either wins a game or at least sparks the rest of the team into stepping up and winning the game. Our guy didn't.

That was a teamwide failure but the person that was most capable of nudging the team past it - the guy that had the ball in his hands more than any other player on the squad - didn't do it because he was scared.

To me, that's simply not something I want repeat and I see nothing to suggest that it's not exactly what we'll have happen.

He's a pussy no doubt unfortunately even with Siemen or Bonehead Kurt yeah maybe we win that game but we probably don't beat Brady. I want to bring the Trophy down Main Street and this team would have done that with David Carr. Once again we pass on a franchise QB. Very very frustrating. I just don't see anyone in this draft who's a stud either. Maybe Watson or Mahomes but those guys are 2-3 year projects. At some point the Reid regime will get stale and it just feels like this will be the best they do.

RunKC 01-18-2017 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12695029)
He didn't miss Maclin. Maclin turned the wrong way on a high school route.

We've been over this already. Repeating it doesn't make it true.

It looked exactly like the Kelce drop in Indy.

I saw a wide open Maclin beating his man but turning around on a back shoulder pass that should have been over the top.

ChiefsCountry 01-18-2017 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 12695002)
:shake:

What receiver was that? Not that it matters but man, so many wasted opportunities with Smith. I'm ready to move on.

Girl friend beater so that was probably a sure touchdown.


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