And that's because you rode the coattails of anyone with an opinion.

You've also stated that you're not even a Chiefs fan, which begs the question: Why are you even here?

Then you're wasting your time on this forum because those ****ers should be earning you millions.

I blame Lane Kiffin for being a dumbass and the reason why there wasn't a #1 overall quarterback this year.
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So because of where he was chosen I should abandon my opinions on him?

I still think he can be a difference maker if his situation is handled correctly.

Playing him early would be a mistake.

That is a very good point.

You really need to stop with this falsehood. My opinions are/were formed by watching games. I don't **** around with stats though I don't necessarily disparage those that do. They have their place, but they are not the be all/end all. Your refusal to ackowledge that the Chiefs just keep repeating themselves ad-FAIL absolutely ****ing stymies me. History DOES IN FACT have a place in all of this, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

Of course, you can choose to bury your head in the sand and proclaim the next Coach/GM combo that pulls this same shit to be exempt as well I suppose.

And finally, I'm a fan on MY ****ing terms, not yours. If that hurts your tender ass, I could really give two ****s.

Now you're being intellectually dishonest.

How many times did you accuse me of "needing help" because I disagreed that Geno Smith wasn't worthy of a first round selection? How many times did you accuse me of being "a shell of the poster you used to be" because I disagreed on Geno Smith?

****, you used my personal situation against me and even said "I thought you were a millionaire and smart" because I didn't see Smith as a first rounder.

Are you denying all of this? You were a hostile prick. Yet now, it's "Oh, I didn't really mean all of that, just that I liked him"?

Dude.

To be honest, I don't really care. He wasn't drafted by the Chiefs. He acted like an assclown at the draft. He fired his agents and hired Jay-Z. IMO, he's living proof that all of the questions about him were legit.

LMAO

Then why is it that you worship everything Clay has to say, which is based solely on PFF stats, which he cherry picks to create his false narrative?

It can't go both ways.

Yeah, you're a REAL ****ing genius by declaring in March 2013 that Andy Reid and John Dorsey are failures.

I'd prefer you keep those ****s, as I don't go that way.

NTTATWWT.

And I'll win when he's winning.

You won the battle, sure. You will lose the war.

I didn't tell you to get help because of anything to do with Geno Smith and you know it.

It had to do with your comment about my family when you had always presented yourself to me as a friend.

And then have the nerve to call MY character into question for not flip flopping on my beliefs and opinions....haha

I like this "false narrative" that everything I say is based on PFF statistics.

I've seen Alex Smith play with my own two eyes.

Yuck.

There are also no PFF statistics for Geno Smith, Dane.

What? That is untrue.

Um, no. You did it for weeks prior to my blowing my lid. I'd had enough of your comments, especially considering we were discussing a quarterback, not life and death (which was what I was facing at the time).


I'm not calling THAT into question, because I've seen you do it with Stanzi. I'm calling into question that notion that you didn't view him as first rounder and worthy of 1.1.

You cherry-pick. True or false?

I think we all know the answer.

If that's your opinion, fine. The rest of the NFL and more importantly, John Dorsey and Andy Reid disagree.

Oh but once there are, I'm sure you'll be spamming them all over this site.

Well, unless they suck.

LMAO

If Geno Smith bombs I'll admit defeat Dane.

I've admitted I was wrong about stuff plenty of times.

Your problem is that you never do.

It's OK to be wrong, Dane.

I still think he would have been worthy of that top pick...even though I think he would have needed to sit at least a full season and may even be best served to sit two.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I guess the disagreement is how we value quarterbacks that have a high upside, but need to sit.

I say if the guy has elite upside...even if that upside would take multiple years to start showing up....he can't be drafted high enough. Even with the top pick in the draft.

Yay. You were still wrong about him being a first rounder and worthy of 1.1, so you've already lost that battle.

Where? When?

I admitted I was wrong in this very thread. You must have been too busy whacking it to GILF porn to notice.

I prefer to keep it at a minimum.

I base my opinion on what I deem most relevant.

Alex Smith's style of play, statistics and abilities are all crap to me.

Meanwhile, I don't give a shit about his W-L record, because I've seen plenty of crap QBs drug to winning seasons by good teams.

There is a thimbleful of evidence (1.5 winning seasons) that support this idea that Alex Smith is good.

The balance of his career says **** NO.

If Geno Smith had been taken 1.1, you and the other guys would have been jumping for joy and in some cases, shitting the bed (and this forum).

I said for months that he wasn't worthy, yet I was met with strong resistance. Now that it's been proven that the NFL viewed him as I did, you, GoChiefs and a few select others still can't admit that you were wrong about him and I was right.

I would have had no problem had he been taken in the second or third round. But he was not a first round prospect or worthy of 1.1. The guy has too many questions surrounding him, including leadership, decision making and the fact that pass rush like those from K-State and Texas made him play horribly.

And this is where I disagreed and where the NFL disagreed. E.J. Manuel is a classic boom or bust guy and Buffalo thought he was worthy of a first rounder. The rest of the draft class wasn't. Every player has flaws, from leadership to experience to arm strength.

GM's and coaches just don't have three or four years to develop a first round QB these days and that isn't likely to change anytime soon.

I can admit I was wrong about the NFL. I thought he would be picked in the first and he wasn't.

I won't admit I was wrong about Geno. In three years time he will have proven he's a first-round caliber of QB.

Relevant to your narrative. Thank you for finally admitting it.

And that could be said of many NFL QB's that went on to appear in or win a Super Bowl. Yet, because THAT doesn't fit your false narrative, you chose to ignore it as well.

It's becoming painfully obvious that even you don't understand how flawed your reasoning has become.

All I know is leopards can't change their spots.

Guys like Alex Smith fail in the modern NFL. You have to be able to throw the ball down the field.

It's as simple as that.

You were right about where he was picked in the draft, yes.

Is that what you wanted to hear?

JFC

I said this early last fall and I'll say it again: Geno is not a leader of men.

The guy came to NFL teams on his job interview texting his friends and tweeting.
He also folded like a cheap tent when the rest of his team was in trouble.

Clay you say Alex Smith can't lift the team when things go wrong. Neither did Geno.

You say Alex Smith lives and dies with the dump off and won't succeed because of it. Secondroundstats.com proved that Geno made a shit ton of short passes.

Tavon Austin was the engine that drove WVU's offense, not Geno Smith.

Geno isn't perfect, but he has a lot of time to improve.

Alex Smith has none.

Didn't you want Alex Smith a few years ago?

As a developmental backup. LMAO

Sadly he's not even worth that anymore.

Yes, but specifically he can't stay healthy and because of that he's hit his athletic ceiling. ( surgically operated throwing shoulder, bad knees, and the concussion issue)

There are just so many negatives with this guy.

I respect the fact that he lucked into 1.5 winning seasons but that's not enough for me to feel good.

Part of Alex Smith's concussion problem is his own stupidity. Same with RG3. Just ****ing get down and avoid defenders when you're running.

You're bound to get hurt eventually (see Trent Green).

Bad example Trent was sliding, but that mother****er popped a cheapshot on him.

He has done nothing but improve year after year.

that instance yes, but let's be real. Trent would be out on the wing trying to block lineman and shit.


That's why I love the ****er.

This is the recipe if you want to go to a championship game with Alex Smith:

SF 2011:

Break the record for most field goals in a NFL year

Defense allowed ZERO touchdowns rushing until week 16.

The special teams and defense broke the NFL record for worst averge opponent starting field position.

Have 47 takeaways on defense

Have 42 sacks on defense

2000 yards rushing

Defense holds for 64 rushing yards per game forcing opponents to pass.

How were the 2012 stats looking before he was injured? You know the year he was leading the league in QB efficiency rating.

34 - 54, 63%, 393 yards, 3 TD's, 1 INT


Yeah, I think that would be just fine by me.

I feel sorry for ol' "Lil Chiefy." He was the kid that got put in the closet when people were visiting. One day, he got out and snuck outside. There was this huge dumbass tree in their back yard. He climbed all the way to the very top and fell. He then proceeded to whack every branch on the way down.

Lil' Chiefy has a terminal case of the dumbass.

Dinny

The only problem is if Alex throws the ball that much, you are looking at problems.

You can't expose him like that.

Alex Myth had a high QB rating in 2011 too.

The 49ers had a stupid strong team in 2012 so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

The guy is a fraud.

Even Jon Beason knows this guy sucks

http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/20...ason_image.jpg

Alex Smith was basically Marty's Steve DeBerg for the 49ers...think about that....

OMG dude, get a ****ing life already. You spending every waking hour obsessing about Alex has gotten just so sad to watch. :shake:

That's a really poorly reasoned argument.

That is guy is sticking up for a team mate.

Because it sure seems like AS team mates have always respected and liked him.

Does it bother you that your sweet baboo is so rejected by a subset of his new team's fanbase?

In time...we will all hate him for the void he will hurl Arrowhead into.

It doesn't bother me, because he's not. There is only a dozen of you poor pathetic anustarts that have no lives and post on here with every breath how Alex is teh suxxorz because poor Geno Smith wasn't selected. Boo Hoo. Mostly, I feel a small amount of pity for you. 150 thousand posts and this is what you bring? It's pathetic. Find a real life. You are really a sad POS.

It will only take one year of failure from checkdown king and more of them will come out of the woodwork...

Actually the argument is broken down right here:

and it's a valid argument to make.

2 years ago this guy couldnt get a team to sniff him, a year later we give up two draft picks for him. Nothing has changed in a year.

and agian, Jamaal Charles is the Chiefs' offense. Ain't gonna change, just gonna get an upgrade at the QB position and a new attack scheme.

But don't kid yourself, it will be Jamaal Charles -- left, Jamaal Charles -- right, and Jamaal Charles -- up the middle.

but now with a passing game compliment. Second fiddle.

Bowe is gonna do good this season. He'll still drop a few, but maybe he holds onto those important catches. and maybe Alex Smith helps. sacrilege, I know.

But get ready for Alex Smith to run a passing game to compliment Jamaal's concerto in Kansas City come 2013 regular season.

You follow Alex Smith to Kansas City by registering an account on a Chiefs fan forum, and you call someone else sad and pathetic?

reminded me of this! (Alex pancaking a Raider)

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/3...er-players-too

Nothing sad or pathetic about that. I'm expanding my love and excitement over upcoming football by adding another team to watch closely. That's far and away a different situation. You too stupid to get that or what? Or do you just like Clay's cock in your mouth like Sweet Pussy Hate and feel such a need to defend him? **** off... dumbass. :hmmm:

Where did I defend him, dumbass?

Expanding your love and excitement?

Code for spreading your butt cheeks for Smith.

You want to denounce our fandom for being critical of our new qb, and yet now you profess to following multiple teams. You really just need to STFU.

I'm not so sure. Now granted, 50+ passes a game is a bit much, but given a scenario where we might have to put it in the air that much, I'm not so sure Smith couldn't get similar results to what Montana did with that game plan that night.

He would be intercepted and sacked more.

Why? He completes 70% of his passes (last season). His TD to INT ratio is in that area (last 2 to 3 seasons). YPC is about the same. So why couldn't he do that in one game as opposed to spread out over multiple games?

You are assuming Alex Smith will produce at the same level when he's asked to throw a lot more.

That's a pretty big leap of faith.

When you expose limited QBs more, their production suffers.

And its a bigger leap of faith to assume that a drafting Geno would have been a better solution.

Dude, the organization got the Best Available player at the position they needed most.

Get over it its a done deal.

I'm not talking throwing every game 50+ times. I was just comparing the game plan vs the Bronco's for that night to what we might could do with Smith at QB.

Short controlled passing game with an occasional throw over the top to keep defenses honest. Montana threw about 4 or 5 that game, and missed most of them, but the threat was there.

From the clips of Smith I have seen, I think he could replicate pretty much what Montana did that night if need be.

So if the game is scaled back to around 35 passes in that WCO style, we should be fine.

JMO obviously.

ROFL

ROFL that outfit.

Great interview though. Gets me really looking forward to the season.

"Alex is the man!" JC

That sure sounds like a different opinion than Chiefs Planet.

yes he has changed in the last year.




He added another concussion to his resume
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No it's not.

What's more likely?

Alex Smith wins a SB here in the next 5 years?

Or Geno Smith wins one in the next 15?

Alex is just a waste of our time like any other retread dink and dunk QB who loves the taste of grass.

You are disingenuous and self-absorbed beyond all human reasoning.

I feel sorry for Lil' Chiefy too. That's why I continually ride his dumb ass.

Alex Smith winning a SB here in the next five years is probably more likely. The only way that Geno will get a Super Bowl ring is as a backup to a starter.

Geno will be out of the league in about 6 years (on average). There is only a 3.125% chance that a QB will win a Super Bowl in any given year.

The probability of either one happening is actually pretty low.

People don't seem to understand that the Super Bowl is only played once a year and that only one team in 32 will actually win it. Assuming parity and each team takes a turn winning the Super Bowl (not how it works in reality), you can only reasonable expect to win the Super Bowl once in a generation.

The question then becomes who do I think is a better QB now-- while we have a lot of talent on the team--for a Super Bowl run?

Without a doubt, Alex Smith.

No it's not.

Alex Smith has literally 0 chance of winning a SB here.

You're not paying attention to the NFL in the last 5 years if you think that guy is ever getting close again. Guys like him don't have the tools to do it.

With Alex Smith, you know what he is, and know he isn't getting any better at this point.

Geno is a possibility like any rookie QB with a lot of talent.

Alex Smith is going to get so exposed this year. Stories and segments from the press and networks will fall along the lines of, "Alex Smith: what happened"?

Week 6-7:

"Has Reid fallen out of love with Alex"?

It's coming.

Yeah I'm surepeople don't understand the super bowl is played once a year and only one of the 32 teams can win it...


Are you ****ing serious?
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If you were more divorced from reality, you'd be living in another universe.

Reality will soon be upon you in regards to Axl Reid. Are your back-peddlin' shoes at the ready, Dane-o?

Back peddling on what, you methadone ridden cock bag?

You keep saying that I've made some kind of statement or taken a position on Alex Smith (which I have not) and each and every ****ing time I ask you to link us to a quote, your response is an LSD induced shitfest or an emoticon.

So, will you FINALLY link us, you broken down hobo?

And once again, the only DEFINITIVE statement I've made about Alex Smith is that he is NOT Matt Cassel.

You've stated, time and ****ing time again, that the hiring of Reid and acquisition of Smith was the best possible course of action for this franchise, you keyboard-spazzing, monkey ****er. You are about to find out otherwise. How much more simple can I make it for you?

MS Paint?

Pictogram?

Flash Cards?

What DO YOU NEED, MOTHER****ER?

Way to take it out of context moron.

Yes, I'm serious.

:shake:

Good God, you're ****ing stupid.

Geno Smith will probably win a playoff game before Alex Smith throws 20 TDs as a Chief.

Really? I'll wager any amount of money you want on this. I'm not that thrilled about Alex Smith, but I think you have let your emotions override your brain.

ROFL

Okay

He's not even gonna beat out Sanchez.

Think about that for a minute.

We overrated Geno. Admit it.

Please share with us who Clark Hunt should have hired as Head Coach and GM. Then, please tell us who should be the starting QB in 2013 instead of Alex Smith.

I expect you to answer in a timely manner and I WILL badger you until you answer.

ROFLStill hangin' on Geno's nuts after all the first round QB talk this off season.
In a REAL QB draft dude probably goes in the 4th.