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OnTheWarpath15 06-17-2017 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12920248)
I didn't know what to expect coming into this week and I kind of still don't know what to expect. Scoring is definitely high for a US Open. I think the USGA played it conservative because they didn't know what to expect and they didn't want everyone complaining like the last couple years. I'd almost bet you that if they could do this again they'd set it up a bit harder. Maybe make sure the fairways were narrower. That said, for most of the top 10 players in the world, this has looked exactly like a US Open, if not harder. Jason Day was completely lost out there. This course got steamrolled by some relative unknowns and chewed up some of the best players in the world. Kind of a Jekyll/Hyde tourney.

I don't really have a problem with them trying different courses. I think the combination of this course, Chambers Bay, and moving the broadcast to FOX has been a lot for golf traditionalists to digest over the last few years. Unlike Chambers Bay though, it seems everyone likes this course, even the big names who got cut today all seemed very complimentary of it.
Good post, TK.

OnTheWarpath15 06-17-2017 07:34 AM
They'll have plenty of time to correct their "mistakes" for next time, considering the Open has been awarded through like 2026 or something.

O.city 06-17-2017 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12920357)
Are they really that far under par though? Keep in mind this is a par 72, not 70 - so they are getting basically 2 strokes a round because of the extra Par 5's.

Had they moved up and played 1 and 15 as Par 4's, then scores would likely be in that -2/-3 range, and no one would be upset.

And to your final point, I would say that the guys leading are the guys who have been the most precise/accurate. They've stayed out of the bunkers/fescue for the most part, and are finding the right areas of these greens.
Not really required to be that precise off the tee. It takes a real foul ball to hit it in the junk from what I can tell.

It's not really the number the guys are getting to, it's the abundance of them that are getting to it. When there are that many guys that far in the red, it's not a good test.

O.city 06-17-2017 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12920248)
I didn't know what to expect coming into this week and I kind of still don't know what to expect. Scoring is definitely high for a US Open. I think the USGA played it conservative because they didn't know what to expect and they didn't want everyone complaining like the last couple years. I'd almost bet you that if they could do this again they'd set it up a bit harder. Maybe make sure the fairways were narrower. That said, for most of the top 10 players in the world, this has looked exactly like a US Open, if not harder. Jason Day was completely lost out there. This course got steamrolled by some relative unknowns and chewed up some of the best players in the world. Kind of a Jekyll/Hyde tourney.

I don't really have a problem with them trying different courses. I think the combination of this course, Chambers Bay, and moving the broadcast to FOX has been a lot for golf traditionalists to digest over the last few years. Unlike Chambers Bay though, it seems everyone likes this course, even the big names who got cut today all seemed very complimentary of it.
When you look at the guys who didn't play well in teh top 10, it's wasn't necessarily the course (it's not an easy track to normal standards sure). They weren't exactly on track to play well coming in. Day has been all over the place for a while, DJ hasn't played much from the back injury and Rory hasn't played alot.

OnTheWarpath15 06-17-2017 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12920472)
Not really required to be that precise off the tee. It takes a real foul ball to hit it in the junk from what I can tell.

It's not really the number the guys are getting to, it's the abundance of them that are getting to it. When there are that many guys that far in the red, it's not a good test.
Yet a ton of guys are ending up there. The angles off the tee have a lot to do with it, IMO.

Even with it being wet, scores this morning are mostly over par. I think there are 24 guys on the course, and only a handful are under par.

tk13 06-17-2017 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12920474)
When you look at the guys who didn't play well in teh top 10, it's wasn't necessarily the course (it's not an easy track to normal standards sure). They weren't exactly on track to play well coming in. Day has been all over the place for a while, DJ hasn't played much from the back injury and Rory hasn't played alot.
Yeah I get that, but they still didn't play well on a course that's supposed to be playing "easy" and supposedly fit their game. And it wasn't just those three, 8 of the top 12 players didn't make the cut. That's about as bad as we've seen at a major. And some of the other top 20 guys like Spieth and Oosthuizen are all around par. It's just been a weird tournament. I don't know what to make of it.

I don't know if this is the place, but I still like that they're trying something different. The players seem to love the course too. Look at the next 10 years of Opens, literally over half of them are around NYC or California. Between 2003 and 2026, this will be the only Midwestern US Open.

OnTheWarpath15 06-17-2017 09:56 AM
Good read here...

http://www.friedegg.co/golf-courses/...rategic-design

O.city 06-17-2017 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12920494)
Yet a ton of guys are ending up there. The angles off the tee have a lot to do with it, IMO.

Even with it being wet, scores this morning are mostly over par. I think there are 24 guys on the course, and only a handful are under par.
Sure you're gonna have guys hit it in there. It's there and guys misss shots.

As said, a lot of the defense the course has is dry and wind conditions. When it's wet and calm, it loses a lot of teeth.

Personally, it's just not the type of track I like for a US open. It's beautiful and has great sight lines but it's just not what I like for a US open. Give me southern hills or winged foot every day.

O.city 06-17-2017 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12920504)
Interesting

Prison Bitch 06-17-2017 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12920357)
Are they really that far under par though? Keep in mind this is a par 72, not 70 - so they are getting basically 2 strokes a round because of the extra Par 5's.

Had they moved up and played 1 and 15 as Par 4's, then scores would likely be in that -2/-3 range, and no one would be upset.

And to your final point, I would say that the guys leading are the guys who have been the most precise/accurate. They've stayed out of the bunkers/fescue for the most part, and are finding the right areas of these greens.
That's my point too - just eliminate 2 of the P5 and you have a 70 score to par. That shaves off 4 strokes for everyone thus far and makes it a US Open feel.

1 and 18 really don't have to be P5

O.city 06-17-2017 11:07 AM
I like the finishing hole being a par 5 but it's a good point to make it par 70

O.city 06-17-2017 11:08 AM
Otwp I've got the track man all set up, when you coming down

OnTheWarpath15 06-17-2017 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12920544)
That's my point too - just eliminate 2 of the P5 and you have a 70 score to par. That shaves off 4 strokes for everyone thus far and makes it a US Open feel.

1 and 18 really don't have to be P5
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12920565)
I like the finishing hole being a par 5 but it's a good point to make it par 70
18 needs to be a 5, IMO.

1 and 15 could both be moved up to be long 500-525 Par 4's and the hole design would still shine.

OnTheWarpath15 06-17-2017 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12920567)
Otwp I've got the track man all set up, when you coming down
Re-injured the back early this month - outside shot I start swinging again tomorrow.

So with that said - pick a time in July and I'll be there. School starts back up in early August.

Did you buy new or get a good deal on a used one?

O.city 06-17-2017 11:25 AM
I've enjoyed Darren Clarke commentating.

O.city 06-17-2017 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12920575)
Re-injured the back early this month - outside shot I start swinging again tomorrow.

So with that said - pick a time in July and I'll be there. School starts back up in early August.

Did you buy new or get a good deal on a used one?
I got a used one for now I borrowed from a pro buddy.

I'm eventually hoping for a new one but a bit pricey.
But I'd like to get a chance to get together and play in July. Im pretty busy with eeekend stuff but we'll get something set up.

BlackHelicopters 06-17-2017 11:33 AM
Erin Hills looks like a goat ranch muni.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-17-2017 02:36 PM
While the course is aesthetically pleasing, its design leaves a lot to be desired, IMO. When you design a course and make the fairways 60+ yards wide and have large greens, it eliminates almost any need to shape a shot. Everyone can play a stock shot, because even if they cut the fairway in half, they still have 30 yards of landing area.

Again, the shaved areas look nice, but they aren't terribly difficult to navigate for great players with the modern ball, that can bounce twice and check on pitch shots.

And moving up the par 5s to 4s doesn't automatically add a stroke above par for everyone else. At this point, the lead may have been a bunch of guys at -5 (and now around -7, heading for -10) than -7.

Ultimately, this course does not challenge anyone off the tee with the driver, and as such, it's not a complete test of golf. Even Augusta is much more demanding off the tee than Erin Hills.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-17-2017 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 12920586)
Erin Hills looks like a goat ranch muni.
Idiot.

MahiMike 06-17-2017 03:16 PM
Great tournament so far. So many guys tied for the lead. Hard to pick a winner.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-17-2017 03:17 PM
And now Justin Thomas has five feet to shoot nine under, which has never happened at a US Open. Four other guys shot -7 in the same tournament, also never happened.

This course just isn't a US Open quality setup.

BlackHelicopters 06-17-2017 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12920715)
Idiot.
Moron.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-17-2017 05:52 PM
Four of the five lowest scores in relation to par after 54 holes in history are in this tournament alone.

Let Erin Hills host the Greater Milwaukee Open and leave the Opens to courses that have more than one form of defense.

Oh, and fire Mike Davis.

tk13 06-17-2017 06:28 PM
There was too much scoring today... made for a whirlwind round though. I will say Thomas made some sick shots. He legit played great today. Made a circus putt on 5, a clutch putt on 17 and that 3 wood into the green on 18 was ridiculous.

I wasn't alive to see it, but I know Johnny Miller's 63 was on a rain soaked course. Sometimes you just get burned. Hopefully the course dries out a bit tomorrow. USGA just can't win. The last few years they've been criticized for tricking up the courses too much. Now it's gone the other way. The year after Miller's 63 was the massacre at Winged Foot though, I wonder if they'll go back to trying to make the courses impossible again.

NJChiefsFan 06-17-2017 06:32 PM
Great scoring day and course for the PGA championship. I prefer a tough us open.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-17-2017 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12920902)
There was too much scoring today... made for a whirlwind round though. I will say Thomas made some sick shots. He legit played great today. Made a circus putt on 5, a clutch putt on 17 and that 3 wood into the green on 18 was ridiculous.

I wasn't alive to see it, but I know Johnny Miller's 63 was on a rain soaked course. Sometimes you just get burned. Hopefully the course dries out a bit tomorrow. USGA just can't win. The last few years they've been criticized for tricking up the courses too much. Now it's gone the other way. The year after Miller's 63 was the massacre at Winged Foot though, I wonder if they'll go back to trying to make the courses impossible again.
It is actually a common misconception that Miller's 63 was on a rain-soaked course. There was rain that delayed Saturday's round by an hour, then a big storm after the conclusion of play on Sunday.

Discuss Thrower 06-17-2017 08:29 PM
Anyone know the dues and fees for clubs in KC?

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-17-2017 08:34 PM
The thing is that they haven't tricked up any of these courses. Pinehurst was open without any rough, and the shaved areas presented little challenge for players with lob wedges and Pro V1s. Chambers Bay was unsuited to host a US Open because they stupidly assumed that poa annua wouldn't infest the greens. Oakmont is a legitimately tough course and the championship was running along fine until the USGA lost its mind over the Johnson ruling, and this course is just way too goddamned open and totally reliant upon weather to create any challenge.

You have to go back to 2004 at Shinnecock to see the results of some true one who sucks the penisy on the part of the USGA.

O.city 06-17-2017 09:08 PM
Johnny did it at Oakmont not Winged Foot

O.city 06-17-2017 09:09 PM
5 players double digits under par here
Have been six finishes total in us open history

O.city 06-17-2017 09:10 PM
David Duvall said it best. This course was set up to play hard and fast and that's why they have big fairways because of that. Mother Nature didn't allow that

O.city 06-17-2017 09:16 PM
With technology we have now, not just clubs or balls but he'll, with the track man, there's no going back.

You can get so dialed in with it and know exactly what's going on, it's easy to fix and get right on. Match the clubs and the ball up to that and the athleticism of players , it just is what it is

Prison Bitch 06-17-2017 09:49 PM
Course is a joke

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-17-2017 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12921073)
With technology we have now, not just clubs or balls but he'll, with the track man, there's no going back.

You can get so dialed in with it and know exactly what's going on, it's easy to fix and get right on. Match the clubs and the ball up to that and the athleticism of players , it just is what it is
Most of these guys can't work the ball multiple directions or alter their trajectory and still move the ball. They do a few things phenomenally well. Courses that require players to work the ball in both directions instead of just bombing the ball and using spin to stop it around pins will do a much better job of keeping scores closer to par.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-17-2017 11:17 PM
Take Winged Foot for example:

Most holes have subtle doglegs with trees on either side of the fairway, placing a premium on accuracy off the tee, but also on the second shot. Thick rough bordering the greens requires precise placement, and many of the greens are also heavily bunkered.

For a right-handed golfer, you need to hit a draw on 16, cut on 17, and a draw on 18. If you blow one too far off, not only do you have the rough, but trees to deal with.

Where is the requirement for shotmaking on these Mike Davis specials?

OnTheWarpath15 06-18-2017 07:51 AM
Wind is whipping this morning at 9.

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This wind reminds me of <a href="https://twitter.com/TheOpen">@TheOpen</a> at StAndrews in 2015... and we know what happened then... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USOpen?src=hash">#USOpen</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ErinHillsFescue">@ErinHillsFescue</a> <a href="https://t.co/MRGtTPAN8e">pic.twitter.com/MRGtTPAN8e</a></p>&mdash; Christopher Rants (@C_Rants) <a href="https://twitter.com/C_Rants/status/876433406686580736">June 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Rudy tossed tigger's salad 06-18-2017 09:11 AM
Hope the wind makes for some excellent meltdowns

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 06-18-2017 09:16 AM
Ugh, wind is going to die down. Worst Open ever

OnTheWarpath15 06-18-2017 10:02 AM
There's no doubt in my mind that had there been the normal wind (like today) and little/no rain this week, we'd be looking at a winning score of -4 at the most.

The USGA can't control the weather.

Scores this morning are high and they are only dealing with wind - if they were dealing wind AND firm/fast?

No one would be bitching.

O.city 06-18-2017 10:15 AM
So don't go to a course that's difficulty depends on things outside of your power

ChiTown 06-18-2017 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12921309)
So don't go to a course that's difficulty depends on things outside of your power
This.

The course should be the course, no matter the weather conditions. It might play a little more difficult in bad weather, or a little easier in good weather, but there's no way Players should be firing the rounds they were in the first 3 days for a US Open. Today is going to be interesting for sure.

OnTheWarpath15 06-18-2017 10:33 AM
I gotta say, I have never understood the fascination with "protecting" an arbitrary number.

The leader after 3 round has taken 204 shots. The leader at this stage last year at the mighty Oakmont had taken 203. Relabeling par 5s as par 4s does not make a course a true test of golf or a good US Open venue.

Happy Father's Day to al of you, hope you enjoy it.

tk13 06-18-2017 10:52 AM
This course is beautiful when the wind blows. Love seeing the waves in the fescue.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-18-2017 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12921314)
I gotta say, I have never understood the fascination with "protecting" an arbitrary number.

The leader after 3 round has taken 204 shots. The leader at this stage last year at the mighty Oakmont had taken 203. Relabeling par 5s as par 4s does not make a course a true test of golf or a good US Open venue.

Happy Father's Day to al of you, hope you enjoy it.
You set a goal for the entire golfing summer of shooting an arbitrary number.

O.city 06-18-2017 02:29 PM
Keopka playing well.

Lotta golf to go

MahiMike 06-18-2017 04:06 PM
Man you guys are being too tough on this tourney. I find it quite exciting. I don't care what the final score is as long as multiple guys have a chance till the end.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 06-18-2017 04:20 PM
I know rooting for Fowler is pointless, but here's hoping.

edit: aaaaand, he 3-putts after blowing it 12-feet past.

MahiMike 06-18-2017 04:43 PM
I picked Fleetwood, oosthuizen and Casey at the start. My kid picked Harman, Koepka and Ricky. He obviously knows more than me...

tk13 06-18-2017 04:55 PM
Matsuyama with a chance to post -12 and make the other guys sweat.

Reerun_KC 06-18-2017 05:34 PM
Surprised they are scoring this easily. Was hoping for a tournament closer to par and some movement on the last day.

Why Not? 06-18-2017 05:42 PM
that should do it.

kstater 06-18-2017 05:42 PM
Scores aside, Koepka put the hammer down, always nice to watch that.

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O.city 06-18-2017 05:48 PM
I feel sorry to them that they have to play shinnecock next year. It's gonna be brutal

tk13 06-18-2017 05:50 PM
Koepka just hit a 380 yard 3 wood. We live in a video game world.

tk13 06-18-2017 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12921785)
I feel sorry to them that they have to play shinnecock next year. It's gonna be brutal
That's what I was saying earlier. The massacre at Winged Foot happened the year after Miller's 63.

But who knows... there seemed to be a lot of blowback after the last two setups. Like Adam Scott saying a few weeks ago the USGA needs to worry about growing the game and instead of worrying so much about par. Seems like a lot of guys feel that way. But then again they're playing with equipment that allows them to do things no one has ever done before.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-18-2017 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12921792)
That's what I was saying earlier. The massacre at Winged Foot happened the year after Miller's 63.

But who knows... there seemed to be a lot of blowback after the last two setups. Like Adam Scott saying a few weeks ago the USGA needs to worry about growing the game and instead of worrying so much about par. Seems like a lot of guys feel that way. But then again they're playing with equipment that allows them to do things no one has ever done before.
I really wish they'd roll back the goddamned ball. I can't think of another sport that doesn't have a uniform ball. The multi-layer urethane balls just go too far with too little spin off the driver while still grabbing with the wedges.

With Mike Davis running the USGA, I'm sure they'll find a way to **** up Shinnecock as well.

O.city 06-18-2017 06:26 PM
It's pretty crazy what the new tech makes happen. I got my spin rate Down below 2700 with the new titleist. It's nice to see the actual numbers

OnTheWarpath15 06-18-2017 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12921818)
It's pretty crazy what the new tech makes happen. I got my spin rate Down below 2700 with the new titleist. It's nice to see the actual numbers
Let's get that down even further when I come down.

What's your launch angle?

O.city 06-18-2017 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12921856)
Let's get that down even further when I come down.

What's your launch angle?
10.2

Ball speed right around 174

OnTheWarpath15 06-18-2017 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12921858)
10.2

Ball speed right around 174
Get that spin down closer to 2k and you'll pick up a ton of yardage. ProV1 or X?

OnTheWarpath15 06-18-2017 07:13 PM
That, or get your launch up slightly. Club head speed around 115-118 I'm guessing?

O.city 06-18-2017 07:17 PM
I play the x.

I've got my carry right about 300ish so I'm not too worried about distance lol

OnTheWarpath15 06-18-2017 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12921871)
I play the x.

I've got my carry right about 300ish so I'm not too worried about distance lol
But you could be Koepka-esque!

LMAO

O.city 06-18-2017 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12921872)
But you could be Koepka-esque!

LMAO
Yeah right. Maybe after a year in the gym

Prison Bitch 06-18-2017 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12921871)
I play the x.

I've got my carry right about 300ish so I'm not too worried abo
Bullshit

O.city 06-18-2017 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12921883)
Bullshit
Ok

That's hitting on our range with the track man so I doubt the actual land carry is that but it's what the numbers show

OnTheWarpath15 06-18-2017 07:41 PM
If his launch is 10* and his ball speed is 170+, he's carrying the ball every bit of 290 or more.

scho63 06-18-2017 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12921895)
If his launch is 10* and his ball speed is 170+, he's carrying the ball every bit of 290 or more.
My launch angle is 30 degrees and my ball speed is 2 miles an hour and club hand speed is 30 miles an hour but my jizz only carries 1/2 yard.

What am I doing wrong?

Do I need a new putter? :D

tk13 06-25-2017 04:20 PM
Spieth just holed out from a deep bunker to win the Traveler's Championship in a playoff. That'll make SportsCenter.

tk13 06-25-2017 04:26 PM
2nd youngest player to ever have 10 wins, only behind Tiger, and ahead of Jack.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JordanSpieth">@JordanSpieth</a> has won the <a href="https://twitter.com/TravelersChamp">@TravelersChamp</a> in INCREDIBLE fashion.<br><br>UNBELIEVABLE! ����<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QuickHits?src=hash">#QuickHits</a> <a href="https://t.co/qkeeaCg3ye">pic.twitter.com/qkeeaCg3ye</a></p>&mdash; PGA TOUR (@PGATOUR) <a href="https://twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/879102317890486272">June 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Hoopsdoc 07-17-2017 03:15 PM
Dustin Johnson, Jordan Speith, and Rickie Fowler are the favorites to win this week at Birkdale.

Stenson, Mcilroy and Day have been playing like ass.

I don't see any of these guys winning, except maybe Speith.

At any rate, it will probably suck compared to last years Stenson/Mickelson instant classic.

Hoopsdoc 07-22-2017 06:53 AM
Ideal scoring conditions today, but Speith is in firm control. As long as he shoots something under par.

Hoopsdoc 07-22-2017 07:25 AM
Branden Grace is 6 under thru 14 holes, with two par fives left. Good chance to shoot 63 or better, if he doesn't spit the bit.

Hoopsdoc 07-22-2017 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 12967800)
Branden Grace is 6 under thru 14 holes, with two par fives left. Good chance to shoot 63 or better, if he doesn't spit the bit.
Grace just birdied 16. Needs to birdie one of the last 2 to shoot the first ever 62 in major championship history.

17 is a par 5, 18 a par 4.

Why Not? 07-22-2017 08:00 AM
Basically needs to avoid a 3 putt

Why Not? 07-22-2017 08:01 AM
Holy hell! He just needs to not tank on 18

Hoopsdoc 07-22-2017 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 12967815)
Holy hell! He just needs to not tank on 18
No doubt. Wow.

I can't believe no ones ever shot 62 in the long history of major championship golf.

Why Not? 07-22-2017 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 12967817)
No doubt. Wow.

I can't believe no ones ever shot 62 in the long history of major championship golf.
I know. This would be a hell of an accomplishment. That par putt(if he gets to it clean)will be nerve wracking

ChiTown 07-22-2017 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 12967819)
I know. This would be a hell of an accomplishment. That par putt(if he gets to it clean)will be nerve wracking
The way he's been playing, and depending on his approach shot, he could be putting for a legit birdie and a 61

Why Not? 07-22-2017 08:09 AM
Shit. That will not be easy.


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