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Raiderhater 08-29-2023 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17079279)
The crux of the matter is race in your opinion?
It’s jettio, shit takes like that are kind of his thing.

Bl00dyBizkitz 08-29-2023 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 17079246)
Well, I think an extension gets done, but you are a fool if you think not getting an extension done will not be noticed by the players.

Everybody knows what the Bosas and the Watts get paid and how many games those guys have missed.
Yeah, I'm sure the players would think very highly of the Chiefs front office if they let Chris Jones butt**** our cap, preventing us from re-signing our young talent and winning potential super bowls.

Oh those noble Chiefs, they pay their aging stars!

TheGreatCassholio 08-29-2023 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17079284)
This has just gone past the stage of “Well, props to the guy for trying to maximize what he’s getting paid.”

If he doesn’t show up in the next 48hrs, he likely hurts himself financially in the short, medium, and long term while also making the team demonstrably worse.

I just can’t get past stupid and unreasonable, and I think fans finally have a very solid leg to stand on when they’re extremely disappointed with the course he’s chosen.

Nose cut off. Face spited. No one wins.
CJ isn't completely innocent here probably but I will continue to blame his dumb F agents until something is proven otherwise

tredadda 08-29-2023 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 17079287)
How the else would you describe the Bosas and the Watts and how many games missed due to injury?

Yeah other elite defenders are never going to notice how those guys always get paid and always miss games.

And the fact that all of these comments by anyone else in this thread make no mention at all of Nick Bosa and his agent doing the same thing and not reporting.

Like stupid mother****ers on chiefs planet like badmouthing our player and his agent and accept without question a Bosa or Watt being the highest paid injured mother****ers in the world.
Why was Lamar Jackson paid so handsomely despite missing games and (rumored) willfully missing the playoff game last year when his team needed him? Reason is that he is still young and when he does play he is a force. Plus he's a league MVP. You would have an argument if Jones was 25-26 or if other elite defenders were getting shafted. Just because one person does something does not mean others should just follow. Case in point Deshaun Watson.

Now people might not be badmouthing Bosa on here like Jones because they are not following Bosa because he is not a Chief. At this point nothing Jones is doing is benefitting him which many on here are saying. Also if KC was lowballing Jones and he refused it and people on here bad mouthed Jones you would have a point.

There have been zero signs that KC is doing that. They appear to want to make him the 2nd highest paid DT in football. But that contract would most likely be closer to the current #2 and not Donald. If accurate then Jones is the problem. KC can't just pay him close to $30 million a year AAV with a ton guaranteed as he pushes 30 and will most likely start to decline. Doing so hurts the team long term in signing other players that will come due. Jones has to be willing to budge some and to sit out like he is shows bad faith on his part.

tredadda 08-29-2023 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGreatCassholio (Post 17079298)
CJ isn't completely innocent here probably but I will continue to blame his dumb F agents until something is proven otherwise
It's all Jones on this one. His agent works for him and not the other way around. Nothing about Jones strikes me as he is Forrest Gump dumb. He knows the deal and is continuing on this path.

jettio 08-29-2023 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17079290)
What a race baiting reeruned jackass. Take your bullshit racist crap and kindly go **** yourself.
The post you quoted says nothing at all about race.

I did not know chiefsplanet was so into the Watts and the Bosas and their right to always be the highest paid injured mother****ers.

TwistedChief 08-29-2023 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 17079287)
How the else would you describe the Bosas and the Watts and how many games missed due to injury?
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Guys, let's just take a second to realize that jettio has no clue what he's talking about as he's arguing from a foundation that has no base support.

He keeps mentioning TJ Watt and his injuries.

Meanwhile, in reality, when Watt signed his contract before the 2022 season (after a 22.5 sack campaign where he was the DPOY), he had missed a total of 4 games in 5 seasons.

https://www.nfl.com/news/t-j-watt-re...20availability.

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Prior to 2022, Watt was not one to miss many games. He missed just one contest in the first three years of his career, appeared in 15 of 16 in 2020, and played in 15 of 17 in 2021.
But yes, Bolton and Sneed will definitely take note of this!! Thanks for your contribution to this thread, clown.

Megatron96 08-29-2023 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 17079304)
The post you quoted says nothing at all about race.

I did not know chiefsplanet was so into the Watts and the Bosas and their right to always be the highest paid injured mother****ers.


Well, to be fair, you're the one that described the Watts/Bosas as "Workout warrior WHITE GUYS . . ."

you dug it . . .

Abba-Dabba 08-29-2023 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17079223)
I’m not one of those people who has any problem with how much these athletes are paid. I work in an industry that’s compensated similarly and know people who make multiples of what Chris Jones will make with whatever deal he ends up signing. This is the market for talent in the NFL - I encourage all players to try to maximize their earnings.

But first, Bosa and Watt are younger and play a premium position, and those are important differences. You think Bolton is like, “The Chiefs only offered 27mm/yr to CJ instead of 30mm/yr. This team doesn’t value its players and now I feel more inclined to leave!” No way.

Second, the idea that this team doesn’t pay its defensive players? Come on. This team is still struggling with the Frank Clark contract. CJ’s last contract was third in the league in AAV at the time and tied for first in guaranteed money for a defensive player.

Step off the ledge. You’d be a terrible GM if you operated out of fear like this.

How many of those high wage earners don't show up while under contract?

I'm all for a person trying to maximize their earnings. I'm also all for a person to live up to the contractual obligations they signed on to.

PAChiefsGuy 08-29-2023 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17079301)
Why was Lamar Jackson paid so handsomely despite missing games and (rumored) willfully missing the playoff game last year when his team needed him? Reason is that he is still young and when he does play he is a force. Plus he's a league MVP. You would have an argument if Jones was 25-26 or if other elite defenders were getting shafted. Just because one person does something does not mean others should just follow. Case in point Deshaun Watson.

Now people might not be badmouthing Bosa on here like Jones because they are not following Bosa because he is not a Chief. At this point nothing Jones is doing is benefitting him which many on here are saying. Also if KC was lowballing Jones and he refused it and people on here bad mouthed Jones you would have a point.

There have been zero signs that KC is doing that. They appear to want to make him the 2nd highest paid DT in football. But that contract would most likely be closer to the current #2 and not Donald. If accurate then Jones is the problem. KC can't just pay him close to $30 million a year AAV with a ton guaranteed as he pushes 30 and will most likely start to decline. Doing so hurts the team long term in signing other players that will come due. Jones has to be willing to budge some and to sit out like he is shows bad faith on his part.
Right. We have a chance to build something special here and in order to do that sacrifices must be made. If not then players will more than likely get traded. Veach sent this message last offseason w the Tyreek trade but apparently Jones and his agent did not get the message.

jettio 08-29-2023 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17079301)
Why was Lamar Jackson paid so handsomely despite missing games and (rumored) willfully missing the playoff game last year when his team needed him? Reason is that he is still young and when he does play he is a force. Plus he's a league MVP. You would have an argument if Jones was 25-26 or if other elite defenders were getting shafted. Just because one person does something does not mean others should just follow. Case in point Deshaun Watson.

Now people might not be badmouthing Bosa on here like Jones because they are not following Bosa because he is not a Chief. At this point nothing Jones is doing is benefitting him which many on here are saying. Also if KC was lowballing Jones and he refused it and people on here bad mouthed Jones you would have a point.

There have been zero signs that KC is doing that. They appear to want to make him the 2nd highest paid DT in football. But that contract would most likely be closer to the current #2 and not Donald. If accurate then Jones is the problem. KC can't just pay him close to $30 million a year AAV with a ton guaranteed as he pushes 30 and will most likely start to decline. Doing so hurts the team long term in signing other players that will come due. Jones has to be willing to budge some and to sit out like he is shows bad faith on his part.
Neither side has leaked numbers.

An extension will be the best thing for the team, there would be a cost to the Chiefs in not getting a deal done and if the truth the other players learn is that the 49ers made Nick Bosa no. 1 or no. 2 highest paid defender and the Chiefs do not offer Jones, at least, Joey Bosa or TJ Watt money, it will not be good for morale of the team.

Or even the league, for that matter. How much will Jerry Jones have to pay Micah Parsons to answer for how ****ed up it is that teams and fans never question an injured-ass Bosa or an injured-ass Watt always getting the deal they demand?

That is the reality of the situation.

Sassy Squatch 08-29-2023 06:48 PM
Oh woah. Is jettio being reeruned again. Who could've saw that coming.

Sure-Oz 08-29-2023 06:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/...A9xJjPX3g&s=19

tredadda 08-29-2023 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 17079318)
Neither side has leaked numbers.

An extension will be the best thing for the team, there would be a cost to the Chiefs in not getting a deal done and if the truth the other players learn is that the 49ers made Nick Bosa no. 1 or no. 2 highest paid defender and they do not offer Jones Joey Bosa or TJ Watt money, it will not be good for morale of the team.

You can talk all the stupid shit that you like, but that is the reality of the situation.
But it's not and I already laid it out for you whether you want to believe it or not.

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-29-2023 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 17079318)
Neither side has leaked numbers.

An extension will be the best thing for the team, there would be a cost to the Chiefs in not getting a deal done and if the truth the other players learn is that the 49ers made Nick Bosa no. 1 or no. 2 highest paid defender and they do not offer Jones Joey Bosa or TJ Watt money, it will not be good for morale of the team.

You can talk all the stupid shit that you like, but that is the reality of the situation.
Really. Someone leaked he was asking for $31.5 and Jones hasn't disputed this, so most likely it's someone within the Chiefs leaking that info. If what the Chiefs were offering was not fair, the Jones team would have leaked it long ago... that's how these things work.


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