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doomy3 03-23-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7511066)
So you're saying Anderson's "system" is holding us back, not our lack of talent.

I call BS and think you should watch more bball outside of ku games. We don't have to run the Hi-Low to win.

Anderson runs a full court pressure defense and a half court motion offense. Both didn't work this year, but they did work the prior two years.

I think the two things go together. I think Anderson is recruiting players for his system, and I don't think the best high school players in the country, for the most part, want anything to do with that system.

Of course you don't have to run a hi-low to win. I haven't made any claims as such. Your offense always seems completely lost, and most of the time doesn't seem to have any kind of system.

As I said, I would love for you to retain Anderson and sign him to a multi-year contract. I think then you'll continue to be the "pesky" team that never really has a chance to win the conference or beat the elite teams in the tournament, but at least you'll have the "fastest 40 minutes" to hang your hat on.

doomy3 03-23-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 7511109)
The problem isn't as much Anderson's system. It has positives and negatives but I would say the positives outweigh. The problem is his inability to recruit a big worth a shit.

You don't think the two things go together? If you were a big man who had NBA aspirations, you wouldn't be hesitant to go play for a coach who is going to run your ass all over the court, give you about 20 minutes a game, and hope you can catch a few offensive rebounds from the guards who launch threes all game?

doomy3 03-23-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7511135)
Yeah, we deserve so much better given our fantastic track record of recruiting top classes over the last few decades.

We could easily drop to ISU or KSU before Huggins here.

Or you could hire a guy like Huggins who can recruit top talent and runs a system that top talent would consider playing for, and you may actually have a team that could do some damage.

Hopefully you're right though.

eazyb81 03-23-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7511174)
I think the two things go together. I think Anderson is recruiting players for his system, and I don't think the best high school players in the country, for the most part, want anything to do with that system.

Of course you don't have to run a hi-low to win. I haven't made any claims as such. Your offense always seems completely lost, and most of the time doesn't seem to have any kind of system.

As I said, I would love for you to retain Anderson and sign him to a multi-year contract. I think then you'll continue to be the "pesky" team that never really has a chance to win the conference or beat the elite teams in the tournament, but at least you'll have the "fastest 40 minutes" to hang your hat on.

We were 35th in Pomeroy's adjusted offense rating this year, and 8th two years ago in the Elite Eight season. Again, i'm not sure how many Mizzou games you have caught outside of where they played ku, but the offense isn't nearly as bad as you claim it is. The reason we struggled this year was due almost entirely to defense.

eazyb81 03-23-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7511183)
Or you could hire a guy like Huggins who can recruit top talent and runs a system that top talent would consider playing for, and you may actually have a team that could do some damage.

Hopefully you're right though.

So obviously Huggins is not a consideration since he's at his dream job at WVU.

Name some realistic options.

doomy3 03-23-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7511191)
So obviously Huggins is not a consideration since he's at his dream job at WVU.

Name some realistic options.

Tubby Smith, Buzz Williams, Chris Mack, Greg Marshall, Brad Stevens, Chris Mooney, Tad Boyle, Cuonzo Martin, Mick Cronin and Dave Rose are all guys I would consider. Obviously, not all of these guys will see this as a positive move, and one of these guys will likely go to Tennessee.

Or, you could go with someone like Joe Dooley.

Rams Fan 03-23-2011 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7511218)
Tubby Smith, Buzz Williams, Chris Mack, Greg Marshall, Brad Stevens, Chris Mooney, Tad Boyle, Cuonzo Martin, Mick Cronin and Dave Rose are all guys I would consider. Obviously, not all of these guys will see this as a positive move, and one of these guys will likely go to Tennessee.

Or, you could go with someone like Joe Dooley.

I don't think Buzz Williams is going anywhere since he has a $3.8 million buyout.

eazyb81 03-23-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7511218)
Tubby Smith, Buzz Williams, Chris Mack, Greg Marshall, Brad Stevens, Chris Mooney, Tad Boyle, Cuonzo Martin, Mick Cronin and Dave Rose are all guys I would consider. Obviously, not all of these guys will see this as a positive move, and one of these guys will likely go to Tennessee.

Or, you could go with someone like Joe Dooley.

Sure, those are all fine considerations, but Anderson had as good a resume or better than most of those guys when he came.

Also, most mid-major darlings end up busting on the BCS conference level.

My point is that it is easy for everyone to pick out Anderson's flaws, but it could be much, much worse, and that is what I am afraid of.

I guess we really don't have an option though if he bolts for the bright lights of Arkansas.

doomy3 03-23-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7511227)
Sure, those are all fine considerations, but Anderson had as good a resume or better than most of those guys when he came.

Also, most mid-major darlings end up busting on the BCS conference level.

My point is that it is easy for everyone to pick out Anderson's flaws, but it could be much, much worse, and that is what I am afraid of.

I guess we really don't have an option though if he bolts for the bright lights of Arkansas.

If I'm in your shoes, I'll take a coach who can recruit top talent and runs a system that top talent wants to play in. I don't think Anderson does/can do either of those things.

I'll take my chance on a guy who could have the upside to be the next great coach, because I think you've seen the upside that Anderson has. I don't think he can get you to the next level and beat teams like Kansas, Texas, and probably Kansas State with Frank Martin, with any consistency at all.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-23-2011 12:30 PM

I don't know why people are citing Pomeroy ratings as though they mean anything. Has his methodology been proven to be a consistent indicator of offensive prowess?

As far as Anderson's offenses go, anyone who has watched MU consistently knows that the offense is garbage, primarily because the man does not know how to design a half court set with any efficacy. There is no movement away from the ball, no off ball screens, cutters, or anything that actually makes a motion offense work. He calls it a motion offense, but it's really anything but. It's a series of passes along the perimeter, hoping to catch a guy cheating towards the ball too much, which will lead to an open jump shot. The rest of the offense is built off of garbage points.

And the reason why his system won't work is because no big will want to play here, and he seems to be completely unable to recruit the kind of talent you need to actually run the system. You need a series of guys who are 6'8 with super long wingspans who can handle the ball and guard smaller players.

Basically, Scottie Pippen. From there, just imagine the front court having three homeless man's Scottie Pippens and two other guards that are north of 6'3, and ideally 6'4 and 6'6', who can also handle the ball and guard smaller players.

And on top of that, this combination of players needs to be able to crash the boards and get rebounds when necessary.

Anderson was extremely lucky that Quin left him with Lyons and Lawrence and his relation to Demarre Carroll. Without them, this team is exactly what you've seen from it the last two years. Somewhere in the top 35-50 schools. And that's his cap.

doomy3 03-23-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7511301)
I don't know why people are citing Pomeroy ratings as though they mean anything. Has his methodology been proven to be a consistent indicator of offensive prowess?

As far as Anderson's offenses go, anyone who has watched MU consistently knows that the offense is garbage, primarily because the man does not know how to design a half court set with any efficacy. There is no movement away from the ball, no off ball screens, cutters, or anything that actually makes a motion offense work. He calls it a motion offense, but it's really anything but. It's a series of passes along the perimeter, hoping to catch a guy cheating towards the ball too much, which will lead to an open jump shot. The rest of the offense is built off of garbage points.

And the reason why his system won't work is because no big will want to play here, and he seems to be completely unable to recruit the kind of talent you need to actually run the system. You need a series of guys who are 6'8 with super long wingspans who can handle the ball and guard smaller players.

Basically, Scottie Pippen. From there, just imagine the front court having three homeless man's Scottie Pippens and two other guards that are north of 6'3, and ideally 6'4 and 6'6', who can also handle the ball and guard smaller players.

And on top of that, this combination of players needs to be able to crash the boards and get rebounds when necessary.

Anderson was extremely lucky that Quin left him with Lyons and Lawrence and his relation to Demarre Carroll. Without them, this team is exactly what you've seen from it the last two years. Somewhere in the top 35-50 schools. And that's his cap.

This is exactly what I see as an outsider.

Archie Bunker 03-23-2011 12:33 PM

http://www.5newsonline.com/news/kfsm...0,438583.story

Razorback Foundation Board Approves Contract for Mike Anderson


Sources tell 5NEWS that the Razorback Foundation board has approved a contract for Mike Anderson who is expected to be named the next head basketball coach at the University of Arkansas.

The contract will pay Anderson $2.2 million a year for seven years, with a $500,000 buyout clause.

Sources say Anderson will be introduced as Arkansas new coach at a press conference Thursday.

petegz28 03-23-2011 12:38 PM

I've been out of the know this week, so Anderson is gone?

kepp 03-23-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 7511306)
http://www.5newsonline.com/news/kfsm...0,438583.story

Razorback Foundation Board Approves Contract for Mike Anderson


Sources tell 5NEWS that the Razorback Foundation board has approved a contract for Mike Anderson who is expected to be named the next head basketball coach at the University of Arkansas.

The contract will pay Anderson $2.2 million a year for seven years, with a $500,000 buyout clause.

Sources say Anderson will be introduced as Arkansas new coach at a press conference Thursday.

Only a $500K buyout? They must consider themselves a destination job.

WilliamTheIrish 03-23-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7511218)
Tubby Smith, Buzz Williams, Chris Mack, Greg Marshall, Brad Stevens, Chris Mooney, Tad Boyle, Cuonzo Martin, Mick Cronin and Dave Rose are all guys I would consider. Obviously, not all of these guys will see this as a positive move, and one of these guys will likely go to Tennessee.

Or, you could go with someone like Joe Dooley.

Hahaha!

Most of those choices suck. The other two Stevens (no way) Boyle (let's see what he does after two lottery picks leave) are laughable.

If you're MU you go after one guy. Billy G. He's proven. He'l recruit and win. Anderson has cleared the blotter from QS.

It probably won't happen, but that's what I'd do if I were in Alden's shoes.


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