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B14ckmon 03-03-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9461609)
I haven't seen enough of Smith to know why he's conservative. I know why Cassel is, he's incapable of making the plays. I have seem Smith make bold throws in big games. I distinctly remember saying at the time, I was wrong about Smith. I thought he wasn't capable of play like that.

That's the system Greg Roman had the team running. When Kaepernick came in they basically redesigned the offense. A lot of us thought Roman would end up being our HC so I studied him quite a bit. I think it had more to do with them being a defensive powerhouse more so then any limitations of Alex.

The Bad Guy 03-03-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9461552)
Let's not act like 299 yards and 3 TDs vs. the 2011 Saints defense is some awesome performance. It was very average.

That D was routinely shredded through the air, to the tune of an AVERAGE of 292 yards and two TDs a game. There were MULTIPLE performances against it than what Alex Smth did in the playoffs.

I mean, Josh Freeman did the same thing to the Saints defense in his two outings versus it, basically (and was 2-0 vs. them).

Yes, I'm absolutely going to act like leading 2 straight touchdown drives late in the 4th quarter to win the game is great in the playoffs. I don't care who it is, the playoff circumstances make that a great performance.

opposition 03-03-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9461619)
That's the system Greg Roman had the team running. When Kaepernick came in they basically redesigned the offense. A lot of us thought Roman would end up being our HC so I studied him quite a bit. I think it had more to do with them being a defensive powerhouse more so then any limitations of Alex.

Their defense seemed to struggle when they didn't have a QB playing ball control. They were pretty dreadful in the playoffs. I think that's something many don't understand. I hear how he can't win when opponents score 24+ but that's because he often "managed" the offense well enough to not let them. Not saying he is the reason that defense played so well, but he did help by keeping the offenses off the field.

With Kaep it was score quick, let them score, then score quick again. With Alex it was run the ball, be efficient, gain the lead and keep the lead. Completely different philosophies.

HotCarl 03-03-2013 09:01 PM

300 yards and 3 TDs in a playoff game, including much when the game was on the line. That's not good enough for Chiefs fans, who are used to incredible QB pla-

-King- 03-03-2013 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9461617)
They went with Kaepernick because he's really good, and played outstanding in place of Smith.

I'll ask again though. Was Smith struggling before the injury?

No, he was playing like the average game manager he is.

opposition 03-03-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9461649)
No, he was playing like the average game manager he is.

Define game manager please. Or your personal definition of one.

Smith2Bench 03-03-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by opposition (Post 9461639)
Their defense seemed to struggle when they didn't have a QB playing ball control. They were pretty dreadful in the playoffs. I think that's something many don't understand. I hear how he can't win when opponents score 24+ but that's because he often "managed" the offense well enough to not let them. Not saying he is the reason that defense played so well, but he did help by keeping the offenses off the field.

With Kaep it was score quick, let them score, then score quick again. With Alex it was run the ball, be efficient, gain the lead and keep the lead. Completely different philosophies.

The ol' KAep made the defense worse angel.

Another piece of malarkey made up to prop up Alex Smith. The defens struggled when All Pro Justin Smith got injured and Aldon Smith had a shoulder injury. Also, three of our backup OLBs were on IR so there was only a three man rotation on the OLB.

Alex Smith ball control means three and outs, sacks and a few long boring ass drives that end up in field goals most of the time and are aided by big runs.

DaneMcCloud 03-03-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9461649)
No, he was playing like the average game manager he is.

LMAO

B14ckmon 03-03-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by opposition (Post 9461639)
Their defense seemed to struggle when they didn't have a QB playing ball control. They were pretty dreadful in the playoffs. I think that's something many don't understand. I hear how he can't win when opponents score 24+ but that's because he often "managed" the offense well enough to not let them. Not saying he is the reason that defense played so well, but he did help by keeping the offenses off the field.

With Kaep it was score quick, let them score, then score quick again. With Alex it was run the ball, be efficient, gain the lead and keep the lead. Completely different philosophies.

Agreed completely. The faster paced your offense is, the longer your defense is likely on the field. Especially when going against tougher opponents.

-King- 03-03-2013 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by opposition (Post 9461656)
Define game manager please. Or your personal definition of one.

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BossChief 03-03-2013 09:07 PM

HEY ALEX SMITH TRADE DEFENDERS...WHICH OF THESE GUYS WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE?

No peeking

QB1:
78 games
1203/2044
58.9%
13495 yards
82tds
57ints
41 fumbles
6.1 ypa
173 ypg
80.4 rating
160 sacks


QB2:
80 games
1290/2177
59.3%
14280 yards
81tds
63ints
44 fumbles
6.0 ypa
178 ypg
79.1 rating
196 sacks

Messier 03-03-2013 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9461649)
No, he was playing like the average game manager he is.

I'll take that kind of average. Will you?

Smith2Bench 03-03-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9461671)
Agreed completely. The faster paced your offense is, the longer your defense is likely on the field. Especially when going against tougher opponents.

The defense is on the field longer when the offense consistantly goes three and out and can't convert on third down.

At least when you have big plays you put up points and put pressure on the offense.

There is no difference in time of possession from when Smith played to when KAep played, probably for that reason.

Messier 03-03-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9461675)
HEY ALEX SMITH TRADE DEFENDERS...WHICH OF THESE GUYS WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE?

No peeking

QB1:
78 games
1203/2044
58.9%
13495 yards
82tds
57ints
41 fumbles
6.1 ypa
173 ypg
80.4 rating
160 sacks


QB2:
80 games
1290/2177
59.3%
14280 yards
81tds
63ints
44 fumbles
6.0 ypa
178 ypg
79.1 rating
196 sacks

Are those Cassel and Smiths career numbers? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

O.city 03-03-2013 09:10 PM

FFS guys, enough with stats. It happened, move on.

The Alex Smith and Matt Cassel trades have some similarities sure. But as far as we know, they aren't going all Matt Cassel contract and donning him king of the franchise. He's a veteran stop gap until they find or groom the guy they want.


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