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duncan_idaho 04-22-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9613911)
Defense say "hi." If we are going to not get hitting we might as well have a really good defensive infield. And I completely agree with Duncan's assessment of Hosmer. Hopefully in the next few weeks he can pick it up by batting higher in the order. Moose has had his chance in the four hole and it hasn't worked. As I posted earlier, Hosmer has actually done really well higher in the lineup. Granted, it is a small sample size.

Hosmer to the 2-hole. I'm telling you guys...

Yost will never do it, because he's a baseball philistine and wants a contact/sacrifice/speed guy there, but I really think taking the Tony La Russa approach would help in this case.

alnorth 04-22-2013 10:29 AM

Will Smith was sent back down to Omaha today.

duncan_idaho 04-22-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9613952)
Will Smith was sent back down to Omaha today.

He was up for the double-header? I missed that.

siberian khatru 04-22-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9613896)
While I'm no expert in player development (I'm much more like a casual baseball fan), we need to remind ourselves that Moose and Hos are very young major league players. I'm confident that at least one of the two will live up to their prospect hype within the next 1-3 seasons.

I just hope to gawd they "figure it out" quicker than Gordon did.

I think Gordon was figuring it out in his second season before injuries stunted his growth. He had a so-so rookie year, and made significant improvement in year 2 -- his 2008 is not far off his 2012.

But even then, people were calling him a bust because he wasn't matching the hype coming out of the gate. But he was an above-average player in Year 2, an ascending player, at least with the bat. He was not as bad as Hosmer and Moose have been the last year and three weeks.

Then he had hip and thumb injuries. Being healthy and moving to LF helped him get back on track (I think Seitzer tinkered with his swing, too).

AndChiefs 04-22-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9613970)
He was up for the double-header? I missed that.

Yeah just because we could have 26 on the roster for yesterday.

Dartgod 04-22-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9613924)
They need to absolutely sit his worthless ass vs LH. He looks like a clown vs them. Complete clown. I just FF the dvr whenever he's up and there's a LH pitcher. Pointless to watch. You definitely want both of them getting as many AB as they can against live pitching. I just want it to be in Omaha and Okie City, not Kansas City and Dallas.

:spock:

Archie F. Swin 04-22-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9614105)
:spock:

last I checked OKC was the Astros' AAA team....been a while since I checked though

Codered 04-22-2013 11:34 AM

Hosmer has had some terrible at bats this season too. However, he is finding ways to get on base. So I feel a little better about him figuring things out. Moose on the other hand just comes across lost when he steps up to the plate.

It's just maddening.

mr. tegu 04-22-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Codered (Post 9614113)
Hosmer has had some terrible at bats this season too. However, he is finding ways to get on base. So I feel a little better about him figuring things out. Moose on the other hand just comes across lost when he steps up to the plate.

It's just maddening.

What is wrong with his approach? /Frenchy

Prison Bitch 04-22-2013 11:40 AM

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;9613939]Yes, I disagree that ancient Miguel Tejada and utility guy Elliott Johnson could even do what Hosmer currently is if playing every day.

Plus, if one of those guys is replacing Hosmer in the lineup, you're likely playing Butler every day at 1B, which is a BIG defensive downgrade. QUOTE]


I'm not sure it's possible to go much lower tahn Hos 600 OPS. I have to think Clint Robinson (may he RIP) would've done that if not better. ZIPS projections probably suggest David Lough could do that if he played there for a month. It's not that high a hurdle to clear. You could even put Frenchy there and have Dyson play OF. That would lead to more RC than Hos chopping into double plays.


The key here is getting on these guy's butts. They're prancing around lke they're stars. They suck. And they need to be told ABs are precious at this level. Either you start taking it seriously or you're gone. It might be the best thing that ever happened to them. Sweeney, Dye, Gordon Butler, etc etc went to AAA. Greinke went to AA. What makes this duo so damn untouchable?

TLO 04-22-2013 11:54 AM

If we send anyone down right now it should be Mike. We get worse on defense at 3B but maybe Miggy can provide SOMETHING offensively. He can't do much worse than Mike at this point.

Cephalic Trauma 04-22-2013 12:00 PM

[QUOTE=Prison Bitch;9614122]
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9613939)
Yes, I disagree that ancient Miguel Tejada and utility guy Elliott Johnson could even do what Hosmer currently is if playing every day.

Plus, if one of those guys is replacing Hosmer in the lineup, you're likely playing Butler every day at 1B, which is a BIG defensive downgrade. QUOTE]


I'm not sure it's possible to go much lower tahn Hos 600 OPS. I have to think Clint Robinson (may he RIP) would've done that if not better. ZIPS projections probably suggest David Lough could do that if he played there for a month. It's not that high a hurdle to clear. You could even put Frenchy there and have Dyson play OF. That would lead to more RC than Hos chopping into double plays.


The key here is getting on these guy's butts. They're prancing around lke they're stars. They suck. And they need to be told ABs are precious at this level. Either you start taking it seriously or you're gone. It might be the best thing that ever happened to them. Sweeney, Dye, Gordon Butler, etc etc went to AAA. Greinke went to AA. What makes this duo so damn untouchable?

:doh!:

This is just ridiculous.

duncan_idaho 04-22-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9614122)


I'm not sure it's possible to go much lower tahn Hos 600 OPS. I have to think Clint Robinson (may he RIP) would've done that if not better. ZIPS projections probably suggest David Lough could do that if he played there for a month. It's not that high a hurdle to clear. You could even put Frenchy there and have Dyson play OF. That would lead to more RC than Hos chopping into double plays.


The key here is getting on these guy's butts. They're prancing around lke they're stars. They suck. And they need to be told ABs are precious at this level. Either you start taking it seriously or you're gone. It might be the best thing that ever happened to them. Sweeney, Dye, Gordon Butler, etc etc went to AAA. Greinke went to AA. What makes this duo so damn untouchable?

If Hosmer goes down, Billy Butler is playing first base every day. That's it. Francoeur hasn't played 1B in the major leagues and they certainly would slide him there. Same with David Lough. If Hosmer is in Omaha, Butler is playing 1B and the Royals are rotating Francoeur/Tejada/David Lough through the DH spot.

Big downgrade defensively with little upgrade offensively.

I don't know where this "prancing around like they're stars" thing is coming from. They're both playing hard and have good reputations as hard workers who are plus guys in the clubhouse.

I think Hosmer is getting the Alex Gordon treatment right now. No, he hasn't turned into what we hoped he could be and what it looked like he could be after his rookie campaign. But he also isn't as bad as many here are making him out to be.

ChiefsCountry 04-22-2013 12:04 PM

I'm glad some of you don't run professional sports teams.

Codered 04-22-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9614159)
I'm glad some of you don't run professional sports teams.

Oh brother ... I always love when somebody says this. Yes, because fans can't discuss sports related things.


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