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DJ's left nut 05-23-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9703704)
Ok. Since he won't really be covering at all, I'm guessing the overall drop will not be severe. Thanks.

Dear Bruce Irvin: Welcome to your new home as the Will LBer in the Donkey's 4-3 system...

And yes, you will get to put your hand on the ground and attack. A lot.

Rain Man 05-23-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 9703704)
Ok. Since he won't really be covering at all, I'm guessing the overall drop will not be severe. Thanks.

That's another good point. If you're decimated by injuries and you move your outside linebacker to strong safety, you might change your game plan to blitz him more and your other safety less. You can adjust.

I had some rash of injuries to my Sandbox team last season, and only had one TE left. So when I needed my jumbo formation I put a backup guard at the second TE spot and started calling more running plays and not targeting many passes in his direction. But I think he still caught a couple.

DJ's left nut 05-23-2013 02:41 PM

Another question/suggestion:

Will there ever be any kind of 'coaching' rankings? For instance, it's just damn tough to tell by looking at the box score whether or not my DE sealed the edge on a sweep and pushed the RB inside. It seems like there ought be some kind of way for us to know how effective some of these guys have actually been, apart from the box score.

I know that's probably something that would be a long time coming, but it would ultimately be pretty critical if we're going to consider this a completely comprehensive simulation. Without virtual eyes on the game, we'll really struggle to know how many of our more under the radar positions have played.

Rain Man 05-23-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9703723)
Another question/suggestion:

Will there ever be any kind of 'coaching' rankings? For instance, it's just damn tough to tell by looking at the box score whether or not my DE sealed the edge on a sweep and pushed the RB inside. It seems like there ought be some kind of way for us to know how effective some of these guys have actually been, apart from the box score.

I know that's probably something that would be a long time coming, but it would ultimately be pretty critical if we're going to consider this a completely comprehensive simulation. Without virtual eyes on the game, we'll really struggle to know how many of our more under the radar positions have played.

We've talked about doing something like that, which is more or less the player's film grade after the game. This would be useful because I really can't tell you if David Stewart should start over Todd Herreman at right tackle.

It's a lower priority right now, but it is something that we want to add. Once we start charging for the game (Leagues 1 and 2 will always be free as a reward for beta testing, by the way), this could even be a premium service or a service in a higher-end league.

dj56dt58 05-23-2013 03:51 PM

can I switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4? I have casey hampton so that would better fit my defense..

DJ's left nut 05-23-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58 (Post 9703911)
can I switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4? I have casey hampton so that would better fit my defense..

Yes, when the season starts we get to select our base defense again.

Now about that 4-3 personnel you have on your roster - I'd gladly take some of them off your hands for you, particularly DTs and MLBs.

rageeumr 05-23-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9703914)
Yes, when the season starts we get to select our base defense again.

Now about that 4-3 personnel you have on your roster - I'd gladly take some of them off your hands for you, particularly DTs and MLBs.

I'll make him a better offer :D. I need help across the entire front 7. And I have 3-4 DE's I can move.

allen_kcCard 05-23-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9703712)
And again, we're not intentionally trying to be obtuse, but we want people to think of the game more as football and less as a statistical exercise to maximize their odds. Football coaches have to make these same judgments during the course of a season - Branden Albert is injured, so do I put Stephenson in or do I move Fisher to the left and put Stephenson on the right?

I have a good example of what we're trying to avoid. Many years ago, I was in a league that played Strat-O-Matic baseball. It was a cool game, but it was baseball, which is pretty simple statistically and the game system was transparent.

Well, I had two shortstops, Cal Ripken, Jr., and a journeyman for the Twins named Al Newman. Newman was a career .226 hitter with 1 home run in eight years. Ripken was clearly the better player, but in one type of matchup (something like clutch situations against right-handed pitchers) Newman was actually better.

I did my math and figured that out, so when that situation arose, Ripken was out of there and Newman took over at shortstop. One of the guys in my league was a baseball purist and he would get furious at me when I would do that. My response was always, "I did the math."

But the bottom line is that I wasn't really playing the game in a manner suitable to baseball. I was manipulating the game system. What we don't want in this game is for someone to discover that some offensive tackle (John Tait?) got the ball once on a lateral and gained 28 yards, so you can move him to running back and he'll be Godzilla.

I'm not saying that anyone in our leagues would do that, but we all know each other and are reasonable people. Once we go commercial with the game, we'll certainly have people willing to do that, so we have to prevent it from happening, both via the game system design and via our management of the game.




The draft aside, what would also really really suck is to set up a trade with someone to trade a bunch of DE4's for another teams OLBs, etc....just to suit scheme since the position they are in has an impact, then only to have half those players re-positioned after the trade. I see players that are called one position here and another on some website about players and I'm worried about making moves just because if I would have stayed pat they might move to what I needed.

Rain Man 05-23-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by allen_kcCard (Post 9704565)
The draft aside, what would also really really suck is to set up a trade with someone to trade a bunch of DE4's for another teams OLBs, etc....just to suit scheme since the position they are in has an impact, then only to have half those players re-positioned after the trade. I see players that are called one position here and another on some website about players and I'm worried about making moves just because if I would have stayed pat they might move to what I needed.


(Shrug.) It's the fog of war. Coaches and GMs get hit by surprises all the time.

Hammock Parties 05-23-2013 07:47 PM

So far this offseason I've added:

CB Devin McCourty
LT Donald Penn
RT Tyson Clabo
DT Michael Brockers
TE Dwayne Allen

What I have done should be considered ILLEGAL

Rain Man 05-23-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9704647)
So far this offseason I've added:

CB Devin McCourty
LT Donald Penn
RT Tyson Clabo
DT Michael Brockers
TE Dwayne Allen

What I have done should be considered ILLEGAL

How'd you get McCourty?

Hammock Parties 05-23-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9704660)
How'd you get McCourty?

Traded Sean Smith and Zane Beadles.

allen_kcCard 05-23-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9704629)
(Shrug.) It's the fog of war. Coaches and GMs get hit by surprises all the time.

Understood I suppose. I'll just avoid trying to better my team via trade in that manner I guess and just go for the hodge podge of best talent I can keep in spite of what they position is. Selecting a 3-4 vs a 4-3 doesn't really matter as much either I guess, since your 4-3 might turn itself into a 3-4 despite the coach screaming at players to get the hell back where they were supposed to be practicing in camp.

Rain Man 05-23-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by allen_kcCard (Post 9704736)
Understood I suppose. I'll just avoid trying to better my team via trade in that manner I guess and just go for the hodge podge of best talent I can keep in spite of what they position is. Selecting a 3-4 vs a 4-3 doesn't really matter as much either I guess, since your 4-3 might turn itself into a 3-4 despite the coach screaming at players to get the hell back where they were supposed to be practicing in camp.

In the modern game the players run the show. "I'm not playing right tackle. I'm a left tackle." It's a shame, really.

DJ's left nut 05-23-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9704647)
So far this offseason I've added:

CB Devin McCourty
LT Donald Penn
RT Tyson Clabo
DT Michael Brockers
TE Dwayne Allen

What I have done should be considered ILLEGAL

LT Anthony Costanzo
RT Anthony Davis
DE Chandler Jones
DE Bruce Irvin
CB Rodgers-Cromartie

I like your offseason a little more than mine, but mine's pretty damn good in its own right and I've got a title in my pocket already.


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