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let me put it this way
in terms of actual production and the fact they were on the field Kendrick Lewis and Brandon Carr were absolute stud finds...the fact we got Lewis in the 5th round and he gave us one *arguably* solid year and another decent year? Total steal. but everyone always expects a Carr in the 5th round and that happening is literally a 1/15 shot. Jared Allen? Ha. It just isn't likely. |
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that's why I was laughing about Barkley
people were pining for him in the 4th round...saying we had to take him well hello?!!?? If we didn't take him 2 spots earlier we certainly weren't going to take him then... I have serious doubts we had any QB's on our draft boards. |
Gee whiz, this sounds a whole lot like that Nolan Nawrocki scouting report that the vaGeno mafia was pooh-poohing
Barkley, Smith scouting reports Nolan Nawrocki nnawrocki@pfwmedia.com Senior editor Posted April 01, 2013 @ 2:32 p.m. ET By Nolan Nawrocki QB Geno Smith, #12 West Virginia PFW Grade: 5.39 Ht: 6-23/8 | Wt: 218 | Sp: 4.59 | Arm: 321/2 | Hand: 91/4 Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts. Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain. Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching. Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities. NFL projection: Top-50 pick. |
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Going back to 2000, here's the next QB that was taken after the Chiefs drafted. I think this is a much more fair measure than just picking the best QB in hindsight. I mean I know you're all brilliant GMs who definitely wanted Freeman over Sanchez at the time, but let's stick to what NFL GMs who actually spent approx. infitily more time analyzing the players came up with. I also listed the QBs we could have potentially traded up for, and the ones who were out of reach. 2012 1.11 Dontari Poe NT Memphis Next QB: 1.22 Brandon Weeden Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): 1.8 Ryan Tannehill, 1.2 RGII (if we give away the farm) Out of reach: 1.1 Luck 2011 1.26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Pittsburgh Next QB: 2.35 Andy Dalton Prev possible QBs: 1.8 Jake Locker, 1.10 Blaine Gabbert, 1.12 Christian Ponder (any of those would have probably cost a 2012 #1, also barf) Out of reach: 1.1 Cam Newton 2010 1.5 Eric Berry SS Tennessee Next QB: 1.25 Tim Tebow (ok I'll grant McDaniels is insane, next QB after that? 2.48 Jimmy Clausen) Prev possible QBs: None Out of reach: 1.1 Bradford 2009 1.3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State Next QB: 1.5 Mark Sanchez (Freeman after that) Prev possible QBs: None Out of reach: 1.1 Stafford 2008 1.5 Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State Next QB: none until we draft again 2008 1.15 Branden Albert T Virginia Next QB: 1.18 Joe Flacco (considered a big reach by most, but yeah a very good argument for "reaching" for a QB) Prev possible QBs: None Out of reach: 1.3 Ryan 2007 1.23 Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State Next QB: 2.36 Kevin Kolb Prev possible QBs: 1.22 Brady Quinn Out of reach: 1.1 JaWalrus (dammit!) 2006 1.20 Tamba Hali DE Penn State Next QB: 2.49 Kellen Clemens Prev possible QBs: 1.10 Matt Leinart, 1.11 Jay Cutler Out of reach: 1.3 Vince Young 2005 1.15 Derrick Johnson LB Texas Next QB: 1.24 Aaron Rodgers Prev possible QBs: None Out of reach: 1.1 Alex Smith 2004 2.36 Junior Siavii Next QB: 3.90 Matt Schaub (damn) Prev possible QBs: 1.22 JP Lossman, 1.11 Big Rape (maybe if we trade a #1) Out of reach: 1.1 Eli, 1.4 Rivers 2003 1.27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State Next QB: 3.88 Dave Ragone Prev possible QBs: 1.19 Kyle Boller, 1.22 Rex Grossman, 1.7 Byron Leftwich (maybe for a #1) Out of reach: 1.1 Carson Palmer 2002 6 Ryan Sims DT North Carolina Next QB: 1.32 Patrick Ramsey Prev possible QBs: 1.3 Joey Harrington Out of reach: 1.1 David Carr 2001 3.75 Eric Downing DT Syracuse Next QB: 4.106 Chris Wienkie Prev possible QBs: 2.1 Drew Brees, 2.53 Quincy Carter, 2.59 Marques Tuiasosopo (guessing not drafted as QB?) Out of reach: 1.1 Michael Vick, 2000 1.21 Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State Next QB: 3.65 Giovanni Carmazzi Prev possible QBs: 1.18 Chad Pennington (I'm sure everyone here was screaming for Tom Brady at 6.199) Out of reach: None All in all there's a lot of crap out there. I'm not saying I'm happy with the Chiefs by any means. But I think it's easy to cherry pick the spots like Flacco, Rodgers, Freeman and Brees, and forget about all the ones we dodged like butt-fumble, Jafatass, Young, Quinn, Jason Campbell, Clausen, etc. or all the years there just wasn't crap to pick from (like many are predicting for this year). |
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Wow. A damning list as far as Genobators and Drafturbators go. |
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