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htismaqe 11-06-2006 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie
oh, so, when Trent Green plays his receivers don't gets yards after the catch...they just fall down and get in the fetal position.

GOTCHA!
Seriously, you've become overly pathetic.

Nowhere did I say that. But that's all you've got, apparently.

Luzap 11-06-2006 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DRU
What about when we face a team that can stop the run and we have to throw more than 15 times? A team that can put 8 in the box and still have good coverage down field because Huard only gets 2 options? that's where the neutered offense part comes into play. It's not the same offense we've run so many years now, but it's working because of a great running back who can gain yards even when people do focus on him.

Games will get nothing but tougher from here on out and when we start meeting good run defenses the entire scenario will change.
Luz
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Hootie 11-06-2006 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Seriously, you've become overly pathetic.

Nowhere did I say that. But that's all you've got, apparently.
What do you have?

All you've been doing is calling me pathetic for thinking Huard should be our starting QB.

You haven't backed up anything that has me changing my mind.

I pointed out two games where Huard did it with his arm and apparently he had nothing to do with it because Gonzalez made a terriffic run after the catch...

Well, Tony Gonzalez WAS on our team last year as well...and if Trent didn't utilize him like Huard has been...I don't see how that is Huard's fault.

Trent liked to 15 yard dig routes to his receivers...Huard likes the 'find my biggest, best target' and let him make a play for me.

Plus, the Chiefs run, run, run and then it allows Huard to take that shot, you know, the one where we complete a long fade to Parker or Kennison.

Either way, if Green comes back...we better keep this game plan...

Hammock Parties 11-06-2006 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
You mean the Arizona game where Larry Johnson, who incidentally is NUMBER ONE IN THE LEAGUE IN YARDS AFTER CATCH, had 6 catches for 101 yards including a Huard dump-off that he converted into a 78-yard gain?

Or the San Diego game, where Tony Gonzales caught a 10-yard pass over the middle and ran for another 47 yards after the catch?
What difference does that make? Green routinely racked up big passing yards on screen plays to Priest Holmes. We've been at or near the top of the league in YAC for several years now.

Hootie 11-06-2006 05:25 PM
If Green returns, I think we'll say an increase in Samie Parker's production.

I don't know whether or not that is a good thing...

Luzap 11-06-2006 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I'm really trying to cut you some slack here, but it's obvious to me you don't have any idea what you're watching.

Huard has one deep route in his repertoire - the fade. He forces the ball to Gonzo. And he progresses beyond his 2nd read maybe once or twice a game. There are plays that aren't being run simply because he's in there. People that know football can see it.

The results you speak of have to do with EXECUTION, and Huard has done a great job of doing what he's been asked to do. It is a fact, however, that they're not asking him to do as much as they have asked Green to do in the past.
Luz
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htismaqe 11-06-2006 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie
What do you have?

All you've been doing is calling me pathetic for thinking Huard should be our starting QB.

You haven't backed up anything that has me changing my mind.

I pointed out two games where Huard did it with his arm and apparently he had nothing to do with it because Gonzalez made a terriffic run after the catch...

Well, Tony Gonzalez WAS on our team last year as well...and if Trent didn't utilize him like Huard has been...I don't see how that is Huard's fault.

Trent liked to 15 yard dig routes to his receivers...Huard likes the 'find my biggest, best target' and let him make a play for me.

Plus, the Chiefs run, run, run and then it allows Huard to take that shot, you know, the one where we complete a long fade to Parker or Kennison.

Either way, if Green comes back...we better keep this game plan...
I never set out to change your mind.

I've refuted, successfully, every point you've made. Whether or not you want to acknowledge reality is up to you.

As for Trent Green utilizing Gonzales, it's hard to throw to a guy that is engaged in blocking a DL or LB.

htismaqe 11-06-2006 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
What difference does that make? Green routinely racked up big passing yards on screen plays to Priest Holmes. We've been at or near the top of the league in YAC for several years now.
It makes a world of difference for one simple reason:

TRENT GREEN IS THE STARTER.

The burden of proof is not on Trent. The burden of proof is on Huard.

Huard's job as a backup is to fill in for the starter and make sure there's little or no drop-off. He's done that.

But for him to EARN the starter's spot, he has to prove he provides something to the team that the current starter does not provide. He HAS NOT done that. He hasn't even come close.

OldTownChief 11-06-2006 05:28 PM
Tony didn't become our yards from scrimmage "all time" leader without Green throwing to him.

Hootie 11-06-2006 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I never set out to change your mind.

I've refuted, successfully, every point you've made. Whether or not you want to acknowledge reality is up to you.

As for Trent Green utilizing Gonzales, it's hard to throw to a guy that is engaged in blocking a DL or LB.
he was blocking a DL or LB because Green couldn't get through all of his reads without getting sacked...you know, all of those extra reads he makes that Huard can't do...

htismaqe 11-06-2006 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie
he was blocking a DL or LB because Green couldn't get through all of his reads without getting sacked...you know, all of those extra reads he makes that Huard can't do...
ROFL

At some point are you going to stop, or are you willing to make this issue your entire legacy at Chiefsplanet?

Hootie 11-06-2006 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OldTownChief
Tony didn't become our yards from scrimmage "all time" leader without Green throwing to him.
Gonzalez found the end zone a whole lot more with GrBac as our QB...

Green >>>>>>>> GrBac

So don't even try and get me on this one.

Hootie 11-06-2006 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
ROFL

At some point are you going to stop, or are you willing to make this issue your entire legacy at Chiefsplanet?
I'll say it once again...

If/when Green starts for us, this year, I'm all for Trent Green. I don't care if Dustin Colquitt is our QB if we win the game...

You guys are confusing me as the anti-Green, and that's simply not true.

I want the Chiefs to win, win now...that's my main concern.

I think we have a better chance with Huard, the hot hand, and the guy not coming off a serious, career-threatening injury.

Basileus777 11-06-2006 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie
Gonzalez found the end zone a whole lot more with GrBac as our QB...

Green >>>>>>>> GrBac

So don't even try and get me on this one.
You kind of refuted yourself here....

Even if it were true that Huard finds Gonzo in the endzone more, by your own logic it wouldn't mean that Huard > Green.

Besides its not like Gonzo has gotten alot of TDS this year, before yesterday he had one.

OldTownChief 11-06-2006 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie
Gonzalez found the end zone a whole lot more with GrBac as our QB...
Really? I didn't say anything about TD's I was refering to Yds. But you're wrong on both counts.

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Year        Team                      G        GS        Rec        Yds        Avg        Lg        TD        20+        40+        1st
1997        Kansas City Chiefs        16        0        33        368        11.2        30        2        5        0        21
1998        Kansas City Chiefs        16        16        59        621        10.5        32        2        6        0        33
1999        Kansas City Chiefs        15        15        76        849        11.2        73        11        8        1        47
2000        Kansas City Chiefs        16        16        93        1203        12.9        39        9        16        0        66
2001        Kansas City Chiefs        16        16        73        917        12.6        36        6        13        0        49
2002        Kansas City Chiefs        16        16        63        773        12.3        42        7        10        1        39
2003        Kansas City Chiefs        16        16        71        916        12.9        67        10        14        2        48
2004        Kansas City Chiefs        16        16        102        1258        12.3        32        7        19        0        69
2005        Kansas City Chiefs        16        16        78        905        11.6        39        2        9        0        45
2006        Kansas City Chiefs        8        8        38        504        13.3        57        3        7        1        27


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