I never said that being the best player on the Chiefs defense makes him elite, so don't latch onto that as the core of your argument. I said that his statistics make him elite. His impact during a game makes him elite. The two together make it a closed case, IMO.

The sacks don't tell the full picture. Who knows what Allen would do on a team that has DTs that could collapse the pocket. I dare say he'd reach that 15 sack total easily. When the totality of his defensive stats is taken into account, I believe that only Merriman and Taylor rival his effectiveness as an every down DE. After that, considering his actual impact during the game only makes it more obvious, IMO.

To me, all that makes him elite player at his position.

So you'd rather have Jared Allen then Julius Peppers......

At this point, yes.

And with that statement you've removed any credibility your argument might have had.

What kinda drugs did you do today because I'd like some.......

I hope no one else here thinks that way, otherwise it fully speaks to what I said about Jared Allen being heavily ovverated here.

I believe that Allen's best seasons are ahead of him. I don't think I can say that about Peppers.

When next year starts.......Peppers is 27 and Allen is 25 there isn't some major age gap here, and they aren't RB's that decline rapidly when they hit a few years in the league.

LMAO

Peppers is headed into his sixth season.
He's just now hitting his prime years.

I just don't understand this........Jared Allen is a fine player, would start on basically every team. He's an upper echeleon player there is nothing wrong with that.

But trying to argue he's top 3 and better than Julius Peppers is just moronic.

Well, I knew that would get a reaction but I said what I thought. I think Allen needs to grow up a little but I also think he's only going to get better. I'm not sure Peppers hasn't plateaued.

In fact, here's last years stats:

Sacks:
Peppers 13.0
Allen 7.5

Tackles:
Allen 77
Peppers 57

Solo Tackles:
Allen 65
Peppers 48

Assists:
Allen 12
Peppers 9

Forced Fumbles:
Peppers 3
Allen 3

Fumble Recoveries:
Allen 6
Pepprs 2

Interceptions:
Allen 1
Peppers 0

If you combine forced fumbles with fumble recoveries, Allen has 9 and Peppers has 5. If you just go with the fumble recoveries, Allen has four more. Then add the interception and that's a five "change of possession" difference. Add that to his sacks and you have 12.5 game changing plays, only .5 behind Peppers. Beyond that, one could also argue that changes of possession have more impact than plays that result in a loss of yardage.

I don't dispute that Peppers is a darn good end. But if you would have me trade even up (contract, age, potential, injury history, etc.), I'll take my chances with Allen.

I agree.

Actually the only other team to offer him a contract was Miami. We were the 1st team he visited and he left with a contract.

He struggled in 2004, as did the entire Miami line. And since then, he's given up ONE THIRD the sacks Jordan Black has, in TWICE as many games.

Ther is little question that Allen is among the top DEs in the NFL right now, but he hasn't yet achieved the consistency of a Julius Peppers yet, who has been among the top DEs since he was a rookie.

And I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that Peppers has reached his plateau.

He's still young, and still has growth potential.

In a couple of years, Allen could very well be in the elite group that Peppers is.

He's just not there yet.

Thanks, Benedict Penchief. Now Allen's agent is going to read this and up his contract demands. Way to go.