Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7178927)

Chris Chambers would be a pro bowler with Sanchez?

There would be a better pass rush? The D wouldn't completely cave in like they did against Denver and the Texans? Special teams would suddenly return to the level they played the first two weeks of the year?

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 7179079)

I agree with this. Especially the bolded part. Except, I don't think there's any chance in hell that they'll change up what they're doing and let Cassel try and throw farther down the field. If he were capable of it without hundreds of sacks and INTs, then they'd be doing it. The only reason they would have for holding back the vertical passing game is if it were a direct detriment to their progress. The coaches aren't going to put Cassel in a position where they feel he might fail.

And that's my main criticism of Cassel. I don't want a QB with this expensive of a contract, that requires the rest of the offense to be scaled back to a level that makes us easier to defend against. We've seen over the last few weeks what kind of position that can put us in. Right now, the way we're playing, unless the running game is working well, our offense is fairly neutered. And while Cassel isn't bad enough that he's single-handedly losing games, he's still not good enough to overcome any kind of struggles in other areas of the offense.

Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 7178940)

We spent a 2nd rd on this guy and it must be understood that when Pioli brought this guy over they saw him as a rookie "NOT" as seasoned veteran. This is how upper mgmt is looking at this guy and why they are so patient.

He had only 1 season under his belt with a very superior cast around that allowed him to show his potential. "IF" Cassel doesn't take advantage of that superior cast around him then he is just a b/u QB. The problem is that his first yr here he went from a superior O-line to a "high school line" which would scar "anybody" and would take time to trust your line even if you get the time. This is why I feel he misses WRs so wide open when there is no pressure. He got spoiled in NE and was in the shotgun much of the time which didn't help. Also we must remember he just doesn't have that many snaps under center from a legit O-line until this yr.

Does he play like a back-up? Yes! And like alot of you I just sit back and shake my head. He needs to start working through the pressure of being an NFL QB.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7180676)

Who is Cassel better than? You said he's a top 10 QB and you won't tell anyone who he's better than.

I'll rank him.

1-28
29. Cassel
30. Fitzpatrick
31. Arizona QB of the week
32. Carolina QB of the week.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7180757)

As much as people want to bag on the defense, if it weren't for them we would have lost the Buffalo, SD, and Cleveland games going away, and the Indy game would have been an epic shit-kicking.

If the defense had played at the same level as Cassel, we are 3-6.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7179057)

Too bad you can't see it right to give Cassel a chance with that faith. He is 9games into a new offense, a new offense for the 3rd time in 2 years. You expect a freaking miracle just because we have a better defense than we've had for many years.

What if....

the Chiefs somehow make it to the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs win one or more games in the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl this year and Cassel wins MVP. Is he still crap?

All of you on the left side of the fence will say yes and will be willing to ship him off because he doesn't meet your expectations. Have you ever wondered if he meets the expectations of the Chiefs administration?

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7180751)

But he can obviously do it. He carved up a Cover 4 when we were down by 35 points.

Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 7180780)

Ya. The fact that we were down by 35 points was his doing. You suck as a fan. Pretty sure you're not a fan but you play one on tv. I so wish that you would did in a fire while holding onto your weak football knowledge. You=Idiot

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7180784)

Actually, it was. If not for him, we would have only been down 21.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180597)

You would lose that bet, but don't let facts deter you.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Michael Vick, QB PHI 153 96 62.7 1350 8.82 88 11 0 15 115.1 225
2 David Garrard, QB JAC 180 125 69.4 1440 8.00 52 15 7 17 104.9 180
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 329 215 65.4 2944 8.95 59 19 8 22 102.9 327
4 Tom Brady, QB NE 304 196 64.5 2176 7.16 65 17 4 13 98.8 242
5 Vince Young, QB TEN 140 81 57.9 1090 7.79 71 10 3 12 97.6 136
6 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 158 99 62.7 1304 8.25 53 9 4 12 97.1 261
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 350 217 62.0 2806 8.02 71 16 5 21 96.4 312
8 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
9 Matt Cassel, QB KC 267 158 59.2 1881 7.05 53 16 4 15 94.5 209
10 Peyton Manning, QB IND 386 248 64.2 2663 6.90 73 16 4 12 93.9 296

Cassel is not as bad as you think. What are you going to do if he does happen to get the Chiefs into the playoffs? or further?

Basically my point is that none of the people proclaiming to know what is going on doesn't have a clue. If they did I'm sure they wouldn't sitting their ass talking shit on the internet.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7180803)

QB rating is the most useless measure of a QB's performance imaginable.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7180803)

QB rating is the most useless measure of a QB's performance imaginable.

Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 7180780)

Ya. The fact that we were down by 35 points was his doing. You suck as a fan. Pretty sure you're not a fan but you play one on tv. I so wish that you would did in a fire while holding onto your weak football knowledge. You=Idiot

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180649)

I didn't say there weren't any better, per your question: [b]Which current NFL QB's would you keep Cassel over?]/b] it is pointless as we have Cassel and none of the top 20, other than Cassel are coming to KC this year and most likely next.

Why spend the energy wishing for something that will never happen?