I had higher hopes for you Milkman. I thought you'd realize that winning the SB is not be the be all and the end all in determining QB talent.
We've talked about the smurf WRs Marino’s had to deal with during his prime and you seemed to agree that it might have hindered his ability to reach the ultimate goal, yet you can't see that Eli is not worthy of a 4th overall ranking.
This is a sad day; I would have hoped you'd be the voice of reason. but ultimately, you've failed

One again, you just don't get it.

It's not about winning championships.

It's about how you perform when the opportunity to win championships present themselves.

Kurt Warner lost to the Steelers in the SB, but he performed in the biggest moments in those playoffs, as he had done again and again in his previous playoffs.

And he came up big in that SB.

Ben Roethlisberger also came up big in that SB, but he simply had the fortune of having the last chance.

It's not about championships.

It's about performance.

Hey, you're gonna confuse the coach with logic.

So, for Kurt Warner, you appretiated his effort in a losing cause?
Would you consider him for the HOF?
I'm going somewhere with this...

Not 1st ballot, but yes.

Career 93 passer rating.

3 SB appearances, 1 win.

If Young is in, Warner deserves it. Their numbers are similar.

I didn't ask you Dave, but you're helping me with my ammo.

Eat shit, its an open forum.

Yes, Kurt Warner is a HoFer, and I have a pretty fair idea where you are going with this, but go ahead, make a fool of yourself.

It's entertaining.

But as long as we're going somewhere, tell me, who, in your opinion, is the greatest QB ever?

we will win just enough games to be stuck with Cassel for another year.

There are 4-5 new playoff teams every year. Things never go as "last year" did. Never.

Dylan is straight owning Donko and Charger homers in the thread. Haha...

Warners #'s are better, he went to more SB's, with multiple teams, and his team wasn't fined and reprimanded for cheating the salary cap the year he got his ring. He also wasn't throwing to the greatest WR of all time.

IMO Kurt is far more deserving of the hall than Young ever was, and if Young was First Ballot, Kurt should be to. But I don't expect much from the people that snubbed the greatest LT of All Time (Roaf) in favor of the 12th best RB of all time (Faulk). Still makes me wanna puke.

Kurt is easily a HOFer

I was not, nor have I ever been a fan of Steve Young.

However, too many people place too much emphasis on numbers and not enough emphasis on the player's impact, regardless of numbers.

It took Steve Young 3 or 4 years after replacing Montana to learn that you win SBs from the pocket, but for the entirety of his career as the QB for the 9ers, he was a dynamic playmaker, and that's why he's in the Hall.

Kurt Warner was also a dynamic playmaker, which is why he belongs in the Hall.

Marshall faulk was a dynamic playmaker, as well, which is why he's in the Hall.

Willie Roaf was an impact player at a position which is more difficult for people to really measure his impact, which is why he had to wait a year longer than he should have.

You would consider him even with his stint in NY? That didn't end well there even tho he made a hell of a comback for the Cards. Maybe that's what will put him in?