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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11808821)

I've got the thread for Game 2 ready to post. I'm also planning to do games 3 through 5, unless someone else was dying to post a playoff game thread.

I will not post the thread for game 6 if it gets that far, because I plan to go to that one if its played. Not sure yet on Game 7.

No Al you only need 3 more game threads because we will be moving on to the WS.

al, how's the ticket spreadsheet coming?

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11806084)

He's a below average manager. He has alot of easy decisions because our bullpen is so good and he usually doesn't have to worry about matchups. People like him this year because his goofy, oddball things have worked.

Did hitting Moose #2 for a while make Moose a better hitter? It's unlikely. Moose put in the work in the offseason to figure out how to be a better rounded hitter and beat the shift. Hitting him 8th or 2nd or whatever, doesn't matter, he was going to be a better player.

We have a better winning percentage when we lead off Escobar than when we don't. Is that statistically relevant? Probably not.

It's difficult to really know how much these decisions really make any difference or not. I'm in the camp of not being results oriented with a manager...because in the grand scheme of things they aren't that important. Ned Yost being the Brewers manager this year wasn't going to climb them out of the cellar, or do anything else in particular. Players play. It's a players game.

So, I'm not a big Ned Yost fan when it comes to analytics and tactical decision making. I could and many others could go on even a longer list of stuff he has done that makes little sense.

With that said, the game isn't all x's and o's. He's a great clubhouse presence, by all accounts the guys love him. He's a players manager, and always has his guys back. So have to give him some credit there, but I feel being a clubhouse presence has so little to do with actual wins and losses.

People don't see the big picture, and baseball is a big picture sport. Nobody remembers the shit Yost took for things years ago like leaving Escobar in to learn how to hit in pressure situations. Now, he's a stud in the clutch. That has paid off in spades, but Ned gets no credit from anyone.

it's hindsight hero bullshit

the most important job a manager has is in the clubhouse ... and Ned is the clubhouse king

the second most important job a manager has is the bullpen

that is where Ned struggles ... but Dayton Ned proofed the bullpen - to an extent

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11809063)

He struggles so much that our pen has been historically great for years now.

That's not Ned, Saul. That's Dayton

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11809063)

Does he struggle or does he do it different than what you would do so therefore he's wrong?

Mariano Rivera CONSTANTLY pitched 4 out saves in the postseason if needed.

Wade Davis is on Mo level these past two years.

It's hard to hit a 3 run home run in baseball. Don't get me wrong. As I said yesterday, Madson is going to be successful 9 times out of 10 in that 8th inning. However, he's facing a lineup that swings for the fence every at bat and he's a guy who is susceptible to the long ball.

Having Madson stay in for Colabello last night was a bad mistake. It should have been Wade Davis. It was a no-brainer.

I've been in Ned's corner the entire time. I recognize a baseball manager is mostly their to get guys to buy in and play for him. Ned is the best at that.

Ned is not the best at managing his bullpen. In fact, he's BAD at it. Scott Downs pitched postseason innings last year and each time it blew up in his face.

Dayton Ned proofed the bullpen. Good for Dayton.

not every criticism in this world is saying 'omg Ned is terrible.' I like Ned, and Ned has developed into an elite manager, because he's an elite clubhouse guy. Those guys would kill for Ned.

Can someone who knows more about baseball than I do (or maybe pays more attention to press conferences) explain why Herrera still pitches the 7th while Madson gets the 8th? Shouldn't Kelvin be our last guy before they have to see Davis?

Or is this just one of those mental "Herrera is more comfortable in the 7th" things?

I like Madson in the 8th because he has better command. Madson was actually the better pitcher this year. I just don't like him against Toronto.

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11809099)

That's not Ned, Saul. That's Dayton

So Dayton decided that Hochevar and Wade Davis would be impact relievers for us?

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11809215)

So Dayton decided that Hochevar and Wade Davis would be impact relievers for us?

um, I don't know about impact ... but yes, he most certainly decided they would be relievers ... or at least was a big part of that conversation

So Dayton helped out Ned by drafting Hochevar #1 overall and trading Odorizzi for Wade Davis and moving them to the bullpen after they both failed spectacularly as starters? That's ridiculous.

Yost has done a great job of getting the most out of his pen without burning them up for years. This place seems to think that good pen management means having your entire pen hot and ready 150 times a year.

well you're certainly putting words into my mouth

I was totally fine with the way Ned managed the team the entire year. I thought he was great. And I thought his bullpen management was great.

but the postseason is totally different

you don't just stick with Ryan Madson in the 8th because he pitches the 8th ... not in the postseason. Not in the ALCS. Not against Toronto.

The correct move, in the postseason, was going to Wade Davis to get that 3rd out. Again, it's baseball ... you can stick with a guy too long, or put in the wrong guy, or make the wrong move and sometimes it's going to work. Especially when it comes to pitching.

Ned cannot be stubborn about using Davis. He is the most dominant player on our roster. Use him that way. He should be available for 6 outs today if needed.

Davis may be available for 6 outs but will Ned actually do that since it's not an elimination game?