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HemiEd 11-02-2016 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12522780)
Not even close.

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rico 11-02-2016 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12523115)
If it were a problem in Andy's eyes.. would he keep Smith as QB1?

Yes, he would...if he were feeling some sort of pressure to do so.

No one can convince me that Todd Haley actually wanted to start Matt Cassel as long as he did. Hell, his dad attended a 2009 training camp practice and said to him, something along the lines of, "I don't think you can win with this guy."

I don't believe HC's always play who they want to play at the QB position especially.

Discuss Thrower 11-02-2016 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12523476)
Yes, he would...if he were feeling some sort of pressure to do so.

No one can convince me that Todd Haley actually wanted to start Matt Cassel as long as he did. Hell, his dad attended a 2009 training camp practice and said to him, something along the lines of, "I don't think you can win with this guy."

I don't believe HC's always play who they want to play at the QB position especially.

Clark Hunt won't ever opt for an unproven QB.

rico 11-02-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12523021)
It's straight stupid to compare Smith and Foles first couple years. Smith came into a WAYYYY worse situation in SF. It's not even comparable. A more ready QB could have had "better" stats, but marginally. It was a different era of NFL when Smith was a rookie than Foles was. Foles put up stats forcing the ball. Smith played within the game to win ever since Harbaugh.

What in the world do you think you actually know about Foles's first few seasons???

How long did it take for Smith to start being booed after he began playing his rookie season? Shouldn't have taken long, considering he threw for 1 TD, 11 interceptions. I bet it took longer than Foles, though. I watched Foles's first ever game. Foles was booed after his first series by those ruthless Philly fans...in his rookie season...a game in which he threw for 1 TD, 1 INT in a season in which he threw for 6TD's and 5 INT's in only a handful of games.

And it's not like Foles stepped into a good situation his rookie season...the Eagles went 4-12 that season...the season that became the end of the Reid era.

And I get sick of hearing about the adversity Smith had to deal with his first 5 years in the league in terms of having to deal with a ton of offensive coordinators, when being compared to Foles. It's not like Foles is the poster child for stability at OC either. Here are the OC's Foles has worked with since he entered the league:

2012: Marty Mornhinweg
2013: Pat Shurmur
2014: Pat Shurmur
2015: Rob Boras
2016: Childress/Nagy

That's 5 in 5 years. Not to mention, 3 head coaches in 5 years.

You Alexsexuals know your Alex, but you need to learn your Foles before you start debating Smith vs. Foles... because none of you seem to know jack-shit about Foles, your competition. Smith and Foles are actually very comparable when it comes to the instability they've experienced in their first few years in the league.

jspchief 11-02-2016 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12522926)
My sources tell me Foles is starting against Jax. Just being cautious with Smith.

Heard it here first.

jjchieffan 11-02-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12521628)
Talking regular season, dude. Try to keep up.

Really?? You are going to throw out his elite playoff performance to help your argument? Funny. I thought that the postseason was against tougher teams that Smith can't do well against. Guess what? Even if you take that game out for the sake of argument, 23 in 15 games is still a little over 1.5 TD per game. So you're still wrong.

Hammock Parties 11-02-2016 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12524499)
Really?? You are going to throw out his elite playoff performance to help your argument? Funny. I thought that the postseason was against tougher teams that Smith can't do well against. Guess what? Even if you take that game out for the sake of argument, 23 in 15 games is still a little over 1.5 TD per game. So you're still wrong.

Well, you got me there.

UNFORTUNATELY, this still doesn't account for the difference in eras.

So you lose overall.

Dilfer > Smith

jjchieffan 11-02-2016 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12524526)
Well, you got me there.

UNFORTUNATELY, this still doesn't account for the difference in eras.

So you lose overall.

Dilfer > Smith

BS. I doubt that Dilfer would put up better numbers than Smith in this era. You are just speculating.

Hammock Parties 11-02-2016 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12524534)
BS. I doubt that Dilfer would put up better numbers than Smith in this era. You are just speculating.

Yeah, the huge surge in passing numbers just happened by accident. ROFL

stevieray 11-02-2016 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 12523473)
Does to.[emoji6]

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No. We're talking less than half a game. He'd have to play the rest of the saeson and Smith would come back for a playoff game.

This is silly.

Hammock Parties 11-02-2016 04:14 PM

Player names are irrelevant anyway.

Throwing 1.5 TDs per game in 2000 counted for a lot more than 1.5 TDs per game in 2016. It was actually HARD to throw the ball back then.

Now you got every slapdick under the sun throwing for 4,000 yards and 20 TD. At least if his name isn't Alex Smith.

Easy 6 11-02-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12524526)
Dilfer > Smith

LMAO

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DaneMcCloud 11-02-2016 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12522780)
Not even close.

Agreed.

Gannon was a journeyman that was drafted in 1987. He started for the Vikings and Redskins without much success, then sat out of football in 1994. He had opportunities to play in 1995 and 1996 but didn't show anything at all. By the time he took over for Grbac in 1997, the Chiefs were 7-2. Gannon lost to the Jaguars, beat a couple of very bad teams in the Raiders and Chargers (both of whom finished 4-12) and had a quality win against the Broncos.

Overall as a Chiefs starter, Gannon was 11-8. He didn't exactly set the world on fire and didn't give the Chiefs organization any confidence that he'd be the better option moving beyond 1998. No one predicted he'd become league MVP at age 37 (in the same Dink & Dunk system used by Andy Reid). His final two years were awful.

Foles, on the other hand, was beaten out by Case Keenum, he of 8 TD's versus 10 Int's this year. Foles was 4-7 in 11 starts last year with 7 TD's and 10 INT's. He's never started a 16 games season and for the past 2 seasons, his Completion Percentage was below 60%, which is basically the Mendoza line for QB's.

I hope that Foles is successful this week against the Jags and the Chiefs come out with a win. But with as much noise as there is around him replacing Smith, that's not going to happen.

Smith is clearly the superior QB, despite what some people want to believe.

Hammock Parties 11-02-2016 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12524558)
LMAO

I know it's hard for you to understand, but LISTEN.

Dilfer was ranked 20th in yards per game and 6th in TDs per game in 2000.

Last year that equated to 3,920 yards and 34 TD.

See what I mean?

Alex Smith isn't even hitting those rankings THIS year.

Hammock Parties 11-02-2016 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12524564)
Smith is clearly the superior QB, despite what some people want to believe.

I have a VERY hard time believing Nick Foles can lead this offense to worse than 23rd in PPG.


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