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salame 02-16-2014 01:58 AM

Dude found out he sucks
couldn't handle it

-King- 02-16-2014 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10434947)
Link?

It's in the investigation PDF that was posted a few pages back.


Here's the deadspin article on it....


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<header class="mtn mbl">Messages Between Jonathan Martin And His Parents Are Heartbreaking

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</aside>Included in Ted Wells's investigation into the Jonathan Martin bullying case is a series of messages Jonathan Martin wrote to his mother and father detailing the the extreme mental distress he felt while a member of the Dolphins. While the outward-facing Martin may have been bro-ishly friendly with Incognito, the exchanges with his parents tell a very different story. They're almost unbearably affecting.

On April 22, 2013, Martin wrote to his mother:
I figured out a major source of my anxiety. I'm a push over, a people pleaser. I avoid confrontation whenever I can, I always want everyone to like me. I let people talk about me, say anything to my face, and I just take it, laugh it off, even when I know they are intentionally trying to disrespect me. I mostly blame the soft schools I went to, which fostered within me a feeling that I'm a huge pussy, as I never got into fights. I used to get verbally bullied every day in middle school and high school, by kids that are half my size. I would never fight back, just get sad & feel like no one wanted to be my friend, when in fact I was just being socially awkward. Most people in that situation are witty & quick with sarcastic replies, I never have been. I'm awkward around people a lot of the time because I simply don't know how to act around them . . .
His mother responded:
My first thought is that I am glad you wrote this down as a way to start figuring it out. There are people in the world with their own insecurities and they tend to be bullies and confront people. Dealing with them can be a challenge. I think when you feel really good about yourself they won't bother you as much because you won't let them define you. This fits into wanting to please and be liked. Some people out there are not worth it. W e do live in a bubble. Financial and professional success is sheltering. W hich is both good and bad. I think the NFL has a disproportionate share of people who are obscure but masking it with aggression. Your profession is really difficult with measurement and evaluation every week. So we need to build up you liking you. This is where some professional help would be good. They can help you structure your thoughts. And that whole brain chemistry thing is real. You may need some additional seratonin. . . .
Later that day, Martin replied:
I care about my legacy as a professional athlete. But I'm miserable currently. A therapist & medication won't help me gain the respect of my teammates. I really don't know what to do Mom.
. . . I just always avoid confrontation, which is what I've always done, and that leads to [people] perceiving you as soft. I did it at Stanford, and didn't gain anyone's respect until I became a star. Same thing in high school. I had no respect til I became a prospect.
On April 29, 2013, Martin sent the following message to his father, in which he references an instance in which Richie Incognito called him a "****er":
People call me a ****er to my face. Happened 2 days ago. And I laughed it off. Because I am too nice of a person. They say terrible things about my sister. I don't do anything. I suppose it's white private school conditioning, turning the other cheek.
Martin's father responded:
They think ****er is okay because black people use it. Tell them you don't use it and it is never okey and if they do it again then they can kiss your black ass. Likewise say that your sister is a Madonna. If they say it again they can kiss your ass. If they do say either again then just stare at them give them and give them your finger. 16 Just so you know, I punked out many times including over ****er. Also over just being black. Mot proud of it in the least. It is just a matter of understanding your own strength. Had 3 white boys outside of a bowling alley calling me ****er. I backed down. Had a Harvard asshole talk about my suntan. I backed down. Just stay who you are. Also, I learned how to pop a bully in his mouth and kicked one in his balls.
On May 5, 2013, Martin felt humiliated on a yacht trip with Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey, and sent the following messages to his mother:
I'm never gonna change. I got punked again today. Like a little bitch.
And I never do anything about it.
I was sobbing in a rented yacht bathroom earlier.
In January 2013, Martin texted his mother:
I have really severe depression. There are many instances where I can't get out of bed. . . . I'm really embarrassed to talk about it with anyone in person, I tried to with you when I was home but I couldn't do it. I've managed to keep it under control for the most part on my own. Anyways, I really do wanna take care of it, because it is debilitating & keeps me from reaching my potential in all facets of life.
According to the report, Martin sent that message to his mother because he was upset by the way his teammates had treated him during the 2012 season.
On May 28, 2013, Martin sent the following message to his mother:
I just don't really see the point in things. It's a major accomplishment for me if I brush my teeth or eat more than 1 meal in a day on off days. It's not that I'm sad, just unmotivated.
On June 9, 2013, he wrote:
I just feel trapped. I feel like I have no agency in my life. Too many expectations. I'm losing my will to compete, which is the scariest thing an athlete can ever say.
The report says that in late April of 2013, Martin's mother flew to Florida to console her son and encourage him to seek psychiatric help. In May, Martin's father had what the report describes as a "father-to-father" conversation with Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin about Martin, during which Philbin assured Martin's father that team would do whatever it could to help Martin.

Baby Lee 02-16-2014 02:28 AM

Speaking of Deadspin, I'm referring this to all the folks that list the litany of other misdeeds we've over came in various forms of NFL fandom.

Don't overplay your hand.

It's not like we were all saying

'Hey, he killed dogs, but he shore is fasssss!!!!'

'Hey, he beats his wife, but he can tackle Petyie-pie Manning, so all is forgiven'

'Hey, **** rape accusations, win me some SB pie.'

ALL of those things were distractions.

All of them split opinion

All of them cost teams fans forever

All of them and more tempered our enthusiasm,.

It might be dumb to worry if having a gay teammate will take away the crucial 5 minutes answering inane E! Network questions about 'your take' that could've game planned for the critical goal line stand. But it's not that unique flower where this is the first time we've ever fretted over these types of things.

A distraction is a distraction is a distraction. And the more we insist that this CANNOT be one, the more it becomes one, and the more the parasitic media seeks access to ask 'how do you feel this has . . . ' when the answer is 'well, I have to sit here and answer these dumb assed questions, now don't I.'

GloryDayz 02-16-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 10435856)
Dude found out he sucks
couldn't handle it

That's pretty-much it............

Chiefshrink 02-16-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 10435856)
Dude found out he sucks
couldn't handle it

Yep ! A story about a guy who couldn't "sack up" and decided to go find some Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson type MOFO's and make the NFL pay for trying to toughen his ass up. The NFL gets PC'd on concussions and now the NFL is getting PC'd on crap that happens in grade school that most adults know how to handle by the time they get to be an adult(except for gay males it appears) SO let's just SUE the holy living daylights out of them.

His Momma and former Obama lawyer Demaurice Smith been talkin I assure you;)

-King- 02-16-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 10435856)
Dude found out he sucks
couldn't handle it

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 10435912)
That's pretty-much it............

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10436173)
Yep ! A story about a guy who couldn't "sack up" and decided to go find some Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson type MOFO's and make the NFL pay for trying to toughen his ass up. The NFL gets PC'd on concussions and now the NFL is getting PC'd on crap that happens in grade school that most adults know how to handle by the time they get to be an adult(except for gay males it appears) SO let's just SUE the holy living daylights out of them.

His Momma and former Obama lawyer Demaurice Smith been talkin I assure you;)

Yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:

OrtonsPiercedTaint 02-16-2014 12:14 PM

Some people rejected/or feeling that way. Grab guns & spray manly lead facials. That's not good

GloryDayz 02-16-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10436174)
Yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:

LMAOLMAO

TEX 02-16-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 10435856)
Dude found out he sucks
couldn't handle it

Pretty much what started it all...

chiefzilla1501 02-16-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 10436178)
Some people rejected/or feeling that way. Grab guns & spray manly lead facials. That's not good

Or maybe we can stop making excuses for a group of guys who knew a guy was suicidal and decided to break him anyway. Or the leadership on all levels who had a guy who obviously was struggling emotionally, and completely ignored it. Or the meatheads up top who see a guy whose soft and think the best solution is to toughen the guy up, instead of maybe digging to find out if there was a better way to handle the problem.

Regardless of your view on Martin, whether he belongs in the NFL or not, let's be real about something.... There is nothing excusable about the way Incognito/Pouncey and Jeff Ireland handled this. Somehow, Philbin is escaping blame in this, and I don't know how that continues either.

I don't care as much about the bullying or harassment piece, and I especially don't care about the racist comments. Except that the guys doing it knew a guy was suicidal and decided to harass him anyway. I don't know how any person can look past that.

Brock 02-16-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10436322)
Or maybe we can stop making excuses for a group of guys who knew a guy was suicidal and decided to break him anyway. Or the leadership on all levels who had a guy who obviously was struggling emotionally, and completely ignored it. Or the meatheads up top who see a guy whose soft and think the best solution is to toughen the guy up, instead of maybe digging to find out if there was a better way to handle the problem.

Regardless of your view on Martin, whether he belongs in the NFL or not, let's be real about something.... There is nothing excusable about the way Incognito/Pouncey and Jeff Ireland handled this. Somehow, Philbin is escaping blame in this, and I don't know how that continues either.

I don't care as much about the bullying or harassment piece, and I especially don't care about the racist comments. Except that the guys doing it knew a guy was suicidal and decided to harass him anyway. I don't know how any person can look past that.


The report speaks of Philbin in glowing terms. Quit being ridiculous.

chiefzilla1501 02-16-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10436327)
The report speaks of Philbin in glowing terms. Quit being ridiculous.

Just because there is no smoking gun, doesn't excuse the coach that lost total control of his locker room.

But yeah, how ridiculous of me to suggest that the main leader of that locker room be held accountable for what happens inside of it.

Brock 02-16-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10436334)
Just because there is no smoking gun, doesn't excuse the coach that lost total control of his locker room.

But yeah, how ridiculous of me to suggest that the main leader of that locker room be held accountable for what happens inside of it.

He didn't lose total control of the locker room. In fact, he did a pretty good job of coaching in light of everything that was going on. Yeah, it is ridiculous to blame a coach for not being aware of every personal situation going on in a locker room, and instead delegating position coaches to keep him up on what's going on.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 02-16-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10436322)
Or maybe we can stop making excuses for a group of guys who knew a guy was suicidal and decided to break him anyway. Or the leadership on all levels who had a guy who obviously was struggling emotionally, and completely ignored it. Or the meatheads up top who see a guy whose soft and think the best solution is to toughen the guy up, instead of maybe digging to find out if there was a better way to handle the problem.

Regardless of your view on Martin, whether he belongs in the NFL or not, let's be real about something.... There is nothing excusable about the way Incognito/Pouncey and Jeff Ireland handled this. Somehow, Philbin is escaping blame in this, and I don't know how that continues either.

I don't care as much about the bullying or harassment piece, and I especially don't care about the racist comments. Except that the guys doing it knew a guy was suicidal and decided to harass him anyway. I don't know how any person can look past that.

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Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint
Some people rejected/or feeling that way. Grab guns & spray manly lead facials. That's not good



This was in reply to SportsShrinks' post. I should of qouted him instead of protecting those who I assume have him on iggy :p

Sure-Oz 02-16-2014 03:05 PM

Incognito deleted his Twitter account

GloryDayz 02-16-2014 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10436378)
Incognito deleted his Twitter account

All players would probably benefit by said action...

chiefzilla1501 02-16-2014 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10436340)
He didn't lose total control of the locker room. In fact, he did a pretty good job of coaching in light of everything that was going on. Yeah, it is ridiculous to blame a coach for not being aware of every personal situation going on in a locker room, and instead delegating position coaches to keep him up on what's going on.

Laughable. He either knew what was going on and let it slide, or he had no idea... meanwhile, his coaches and players were openly harassing a player who was struggling both on and off the field.

The head coach's main job is to manage players. And great coaches like Bellichick know everything that happens in the locker room. I can guaran-****ing-tee you that if this happened in Bellichick's locker room, he would know about it. What you would NEVER see is a story about how this happened right underneath Bellichick's nose. You know why? Because no coach or player would have the guts to go behind Bellichick's back. Nobody.

This isn't an isolated incident. Despite Incognito's history, he was named to a leadership council. You have players publicly complaining about the offensive coordinator's playcalling. You have receivers complaining about their QB not throwing him the ball... after a win. You have an offensive line coach and an assistant trainer who are participating in harassing Jonathan Martin and others in ways that seem way outside the norm. You have players initiating their own fines, harassing players beyond what was considered normal, acting like 2-year olds. You have a culture where players, even suicidal players, apparently don't feel at all comfortable telling their head coach that this is all happening.

Do the players and position coaches report to Philbin, or does Philbin report to the players and coaches? I'm confused here. So the job of a head coach is to delegate and not have any knowledge of what the people you're managing are doing?

ChiliConCarnage 02-16-2014 04:29 PM

I finished reading the full report. Incognito is particularly honest where as most normal people (Jerry & Pouncey) would try to deny how egregious things were; I think this is mostly because Incognito has deluded himself into thinking he wasn't doing anything harmful.

It's interesting that of late this became a case about how a mentally weak person possibly couldn't cut it. In reality, it's two guys who struggle with the mental and emotional side of things. Incognito is just on the flip side of the coin as he puffs himself up in groups and targets others so hes in the group targeting people instead of being targeted. He admits he probably only got back in the league because he sought out mental health assistance in 2010 and got on Paxil. He had a couple of good years with no issues and then got in 3 altercations just over the summer of 2012. I wonder if he quit going.

I felt bad for the Nate guy. It sounds like they were really riding the **** out of him once the previous worse guy got cut from the roster. At least he got $250 bonus in the fine book for "not cracking before JMart" The Asian asst. trainer too. Guy put up a with a ton of shit and then didn't snitch probably just trying to hold onto his job but the private text he sent to Martin right after he walked out will probably do him in.

Mr. Laz 02-18-2014 07:25 AM

losing it .....


Richie Incognito Leaves/returns to Twitter

After Richie Incognito deleted his Twitter account Friday in the wake of an independent investigator's report on the Miami Dolphins locker room situation, he returned to the social media website Monday and apologized to teammate Jonathan Martin early Tuesday morning.

Embroiled in the Miami Dolphins' bullying scandal and cast as the primary tormentor of teammate Jonathan Martin, feisty offensive guard Richie Incognito lashed out on social media after Ted Wells' investigative report was released.

Now, he's deleted his official Twitter account.

"I guess I'm as dumb as I look," Incognito wrote before quitting Twitter.

He also Tweeted "stop the hate," "stop the bullying" "Pleeease Stop The Hate."

He also made fun of Martin for contemplating suicide, writing: "Bully? Or Friend" and included a link to the suicide prevention hotline. It was Incognito who days earlier had Tweeted about Martin considering suicide, which was another low blow in a series of comments about Martin and his agent, Kenny Zuckerman.
The report released Friday by attorney Ted Wells found that Incognito was one of three Dolphins starters who subjected teammate Martin to persistent harassing language and workplace bullying.

The NFLPA has said it will review the findings, and the NFL has had no comment on whether there will be further punishment.

Incognito was suspended in November for the remainder of the season and will be a free agent in March.
Incognito took to Twitter on Friday night, saying:

He then appeared to bid farewell to the social media website, saying:

Quote:

"Goodbye twitter," Incognito wrote. "Be well. See you on the other side?"
Incognito earlier greeted Twitter and apologized for his behavior in relation to the social media site.
His account was then deleted shortly thereafter, and remained so until being reactivated on Monday.

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"What's up TWITTER. Happy Monday. ... I apologize for acting like a big baby the last few days. This has all been so much on me and my family. ... I just want to play football. I want everyone to know I'm in good spirits and looking forward to playing again one day."

Steron 02-18-2014 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 10436380)
All players would probably benefit by said action...

I totally agree with this statement.


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